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(04-19-2015 06:22 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 06:18 PM)Grange Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 05:52 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

The advancement in Europe is due to the Marshall plan from the USA rebuilding their countries follow WWII.

This is a myth that won't die in the US. West Germany got far less Marshall Plan $$ than France and the UK and only a little more than Italy but became and remains far more successful economically than all of them.

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And now a few generations the head start has been crushed by multiculturalism and Europe is on the verge of bankruptcy and the hell that follows afterwards.

Germany is also the biggest destination of immigrants in Europe except Russia I think. Bets on which major European country is the last to go bankrupt?

I love Germany, I would love for it to stand strong. But the fact is the "advancement" in the last 60 years is the western world borrowing money it doesn't have to pay for a bunch of failed liberal policies that will never work. There is NO advancement in Europe, just a giant shit storm getting ready to hit the fan.

I know the German people are very smart and very hard working and very organized. If they could shed their liberal policies they would probably be the most powerful country in the world. But even Germany cannot with stand having your country overrun with diseased, illiterate immigrants who come just to suck off the teet of the govt. and give nothing back.

The lion's share of immigrants to Germany came from Turkey and they were invited there legally as there was a labor shortage during a time when the German economy was booming.

[Magnesium Chloride]

I dont get immigration hate for welfare reasons.

If you dont like immigrants who go to countries for welfare... you can, I dunno, not give welfare to immigrants? Seems silly to deny(or even restrict) immigration if welfare is the biggest issue.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-20-2015 02:03 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  

My observations of immigration are from the UK. I can only speak on what I see here. Illegal immigrants are not entitled to welfare in this country. However because we are part of the EU, we are subject to a great deal of the immigration within the EU. Most of them get jobs and become consumers and tax payers. Admittedly many send money out of the country(an actual economic drain), but they are still cogs within the economic machine. They buy mobile phones, trainers and fast food and gorge on Western culture. The mass immigration only favours the governments and corporations(cheap labour, more customers to sell to).

Even for Britain immigration is a net drain. It lowers wages, increases unemployment, but increases government spending and real estate prices and rents.

Illegal immigrants in the EU live a wretched existence where being a prostitute, pimp, drug dealer or menial worker in Southern Italy is the best choice for them. In the US illegal immigration is a legitimate way into the society, but the effects are similar.

Any country can deal with a certain set if immigration, but it's mainly only beneficial when the economy is growing and expanding - US expansion since conception to 1970s, Germany in the 60s and 70s with a real labor shortage (they had negative unemployment - more job offers than workers - and also high wages). In all other times especially with real unemployment in the US and the EU above 10% (don't be fooled by the official stats) immigration of non-wealthy people will result in a net cost and decrease of living standards of the indigenous population. Of course for the very top of the plutocracy and even those not involved in the upper decisions it is going to be positive. But there is nothing good about people in the US having to work 3 jobs or in the EU receiving welfare to survive. Both signs were not existing in the US & the EU in the 1970s.

[Also quick note to Germany and the Marshall plan - the money was good, but Germany was the most populous economy and also the most educated - in the 1920s most Nobel price laureates came from Germany. Many top scientists later moved to the US. Also the industrialization was top-notch coupled with a natural work-ethic. So essentially you had the most educated highly industrious country in the 1930s hit with disastrous full libertarian economic measures (yes - they were 100% Ron Paul measures) just before Hitler came to power. After the war it was natural that such a country would use the Marshall plan much better than France. Also Germany without WWI and WWII would have become a much greater European superpower quite naturally. The wars actually destroyed their potential. ]

But enough about that - immigration in the West at the current time is not beneficial to the lower 95% and I am saying that being myself the son of immigrants. There is definitely something sinister going on with the current flooding of the West - you will see the effects of that only much later. Alas I am sure that it won't effect the 0,01% - they may close off certain parts of town completely issuing zoning passes. Ah - good times coming in the future...

[Magnesium Chloride]

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-20-2015 03:21 AM)Magnesium Chloride Wrote:  

I dont get immigration hate for welfare reasons.

If you dont like immigrants who go to countries for welfare... you can, I dunno, not give welfare to immigrants? Seems silly to deny(or even restrict) immigration if welfare is the biggest issue.

Your comment makes no sense - who among us can shape immigration and welfare policy? And don't say we elect the politicians, because democracy is a sham anyway.

Also I see that you post EU/UN/US government immigration propaganda - quite fitting. The youtube channel you post wants libertarian completely free market, no borders, off-shore shipping of jobs, total deregulation of labor markets with no minimum wages - good luck with that.

[Magnesium Chloride]

(04-20-2015 03:33 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 03:21 AM)Magnesium Chloride Wrote:  

I dont get immigration hate for welfare reasons.

If you dont like immigrants who go to countries for welfare... you can, I dunno, not give welfare to immigrants? Seems silly to deny(or even restrict) immigration if welfare is the biggest issue.

Your comment makes no sense - who among us can shape immigration and welfare policy? And don't say we elect the politicians, because democracy is a sham anyway.

It does make sense - you should be complaining about welfare, not immigration, if you are using predominantly the immigration welfare argument. If that really is a problem(and you dont have better arguments against immigration) then eliminating welfare for immigrants is a much better solution than eliminating immigration. Given how beneficial immigration can be.

(04-20-2015 03:33 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Also I see that you post EU/UN/US government immigration propaganda - quite fitting. The youtube channel you post wants libertarian completely free market, no borders, off-shore shipping of jobs, total deregulation of labor markets with no minimum wages - good luck with that.

Explain one by one why you disagree with each of them. I am in complete support of all.

I support immigration everywhere, anyway. So not just those places in particular.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-20-2015 03:42 AM)Magnesium Chloride Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 03:33 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Also I see that you post EU/UN/US government immigration propaganda - quite fitting. The youtube channel you post wants libertarian completely free market, no borders, off-shore shipping of jobs, total deregulation of labor markets with no minimum wages - good luck with that.

Explain one by one why you disagree with each of them. I am in complete support of all.

I support immigration everywhere, anyway. So not just those places in particular.

Well - then good luck with that. Unless you are a billionaire or worth 100+ mio. $ at least then you have nothing to gain from all of that. Oh - ok - you may be a poor immigrant who is perfectly fine working sub-minimum wage jobs, because that is better than the economic hell-hole you came from. But that is no achievement either. No further discussions necessary - mental patients should be given a white cell. The libertarian economic model was financed by the monetary elite to entrap the minds of the non-billionaires int believing that brutal corporations will bring prosperity and freedom for all. And I am no socialist either and espouse a different economic model.

[MidWest]

(04-20-2015 03:31 AM)Magnesium Chloride Wrote:  

I've always thought these myths were smokescreens used to make up an argument for the sake of an argument without any evidence to back it up to make people feel better about themselves or superior. Reality is, if it was that bad for the economy they wouldn't allow immigrants into the country in the first place.

[sixsix]

I'm glad to see many of the members I respect also being aware of The Culture Of Critique because I didn't know how to breach the subject without risking a ban. The book explains a lot of questions but most importantly: Why are white countries committing suicide?

Heartiste's theory is correct but incomplete and should read:

"The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on white female sexuality while maximally restricting white male sexuality."

This explains both the gender narrative and the race narrative. In both cases, obvious lies are spread continuously that cannot be attributed to stupidity, only to malice.

When white frat boys do not rape girls, they are portrayed as rapists. When black men have been convicted of brutal rape of white women, this barely gets a mention.

Everywhere, in movies, in advertisements, they couple a white woman with a black man even though those couplings are rare to find. The way more common white man with Asian girl, however, is not used. Instead, story after story frames it as creepy losers going to Thailand to pay for poor, Third World girls.

Girls are programmed to be worthless sluts who are revolted by proper white men: Fuck the bad boys who look down on you, those nice guys aren't nice if they expect sex, STDs are no big deal and you should never have to do anything to please your husband.

Careerism, abortion and misinformation about fertility all decrease the fertility rates of intelligent white people.
Homosexuality is celebrated and heterosexuality is pathologized.

White culture is constantly attacked as sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic. In reality, white countries are the least sexist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic. So who is spreading that lie?

Next, they import foreign people that are fucking sexist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic but criticizing their culture, like the left did to our own culture, is forbidden! We need them because of demography, they say. But the reason our population is decreasing in numbers, is because you made it less patriarchal. And the solution is importing patriarchal people.

Whites are attacked for crimes of their ancestors, while this guilty-by-association is not applied to currently living 'minorities' and these crimes are only linked to white nations, while everybody did it. Slavery, female oppression and abuse, rape culture... It all still exists but all in non-white countries. So why is that hidden?

Of course, these stigmas on whiteness are mostly white men's fault. Those poor white women were oppressed in those times, remember? Despite men dying violent deaths all the time to protect their women, but who's keeping count.

All the good white men have done, like virtually all technology and science, that is now expected to be given freely to Africans (while still oppressing them somehow) is ignored. See the recent focus on highlighting female scientists? If we can be blamed for the bad in our history, we should be acknowledged for the good.

The idea is to lower white fertility by demonizing white men (campus rape culture, yes; ghetto rape culture, racist!), guide the women to careers, promiscuity, race-mixing, adoption and the list goes on.

EDIT: Just to clarify since it's a controversial topic and we have a diverse forum, the commentary on race-mixing isn't because I think 'black guys are stealing our women' and I happen to like some exotic tail myself. The problem is the covert but ubiquitous promotion of white-female miscegenation while stigmatizing the more common white-male variety. All that, in the context that it's done by Jew-controlled media; Jews that are violently opposed to race-mixing and immigration to their country are pushing it here.

[It_is_my_time]

(04-20-2015 03:52 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 03:42 AM)Magnesium Chloride Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 03:33 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Also I see that you post EU/UN/US government immigration propaganda - quite fitting. The youtube channel you post wants libertarian completely free market, no borders, off-shore shipping of jobs, total deregulation of labor markets with no minimum wages - good luck with that.

Explain one by one why you disagree with each of them. I am in complete support of all.

I support immigration everywhere, anyway. So not just those places in particular.

Well - then good luck with that. Unless you are a billionaire or worth 100+ mio. $ at least then you have nothing to gain from all of that. Oh - ok - you may be a poor immigrant who is perfectly fine working sub-minimum wage jobs, because that is better than the economic hell-hole you came from. But that is no achievement either. No further discussions necessary - mental patients should be given a white cell. The libertarian economic model was financed by the monetary elite to entrap the minds of the non-billionaires int believing that brutal corporations will bring prosperity and freedom for all. And I am no socialist either and espouse a different economic model.

The greatest threat to the billionaires is a free and educated middle class.

The billionaires own the govt. and they can use it to manipulate the markets to benefit themselves. But they cannot stop some high school kid in his garage coming up with a new idea they never considered before in their HR feminist shitty run companies. And that kid comes up and takes a huge share of the market from them. So the billionaires are working overtime to restrict the middle class.

- More needless regulations making it tougher to start up a small business.
- More feminism in schools that limit boys from being encouraged to be creative.
- More mass immigration to make the middle class poorer and more dependent upon their 9-5 jobs just to put food on the table.

More immigration in the west right now makes the middle class poorer, increases big govt. voting blocks to vote in more needless regulations, and thus makes the rich even richer.

Is it good for the economy? Only if you are a billionaire. If you are in the upper middle class, even a multi-millionaire, it is a drain on your life style. For those guys stuck firmly in the middle class making $50,000 to $150,000 a year it is a disaster. We have 93,000,000 Americans out of work and more debt than GDP, the last thing we need in the USA is more immigration and we are facing the same problems that Europe is facing. This is shaping up to be something very ugly in the near future.

[sixsix]

A few more thoughts:

Black Americans are called African Americans. This is deliberately not done with 'white' people to obscure the fact that not European Americans but Jewish Americans are mightily privileged. Only 2-3% of the population and 33% of the billionaires. Let's take a look at their powerful positions in media, business and politics. Those white boardrooms are a lot more disproportionately Jewish American than anything else: Jew Privilege.

This clustering also makes European Americans identify with Jewish Americans, who most definitely do not identify with the us dirty goyim. Thinking they're the same group, they don't see the exploitation.

Second thought: The black population of the US is also getting fucked over. Their family structure is ruined, they're bombarded with thug culture (and who's providing the platform?) and being told you're being victimized and it's impossible to succeed, does not facilitate success for young black kids.

Also, mass immigration from the countries south of the US is really bad for black Americans, many who are in the same niche as the illegal immigrants. Less jobs, lower wages, more expensive housing. But opposing immigration is portrayed as something xenophobic white racists would do.

The interracial violence that is not talked about in the press, is between blacks and hispanics and that will only increase when hispanics become more prominent.

Everybody is being played, and successfully. Whites and blacks think the other party is after them. Men and women are being divided non-stop. It's a deliberate subversion of our societies and unlikely to be combatted successfully with words.

[freeuser]

You know what they says right? "Never let a good crisis go to waste"

Unfortunately the liberal media and TPTB here in Europe, are going to use this tragedy as an excuse, to push their pro 3rd World immigration agenda and ultimately destroy our rich and advanced society.

It´s always fascinating to see, how these pro immigration leftists, are usually upper middle class white girls, who would not even touch or have any contact with such a poor African immigrant in the first place. But at the end, they tend to think the way the media tells them to think, like fucking lemmings.

[MongolianAbroad]

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

I'm glad to see many of the members I respect also being aware of The Culture Of Critique because I didn't know how to breach the subject without risking a ban. The book explains a lot of questions but most importantly: Why are white countries committing suicide?

Why do you say "white" countries? Declining birth rates are affecting countries all over the world, due to improved socio-economic conditions for women, leading them to choose to delay or not partake in having children, for example Singapore, Japan, and Mexico. Even countries in Africa have experienced birth rate drops over the decades. There's nothing "white" about declining birth rates, but you seem to be very fixated on the word "white," whatever that even means, and it means many different things to many people, so using it is, right off the bat, in bad form.

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

Girls are programmed to be worthless sluts who are revolted by proper white men: Fuck the bad boys who look down on you, those nice guys aren't nice if they expect sex, STDs are no big deal and you should never have to do anything to please your husband.

"Proper white men?" What? Do you even realize how that sounds? "Proper white men?" Man, if you want something in life, you have to earn it, no one's going to give you anything, especially a girl, just for being a "proper white man," whatever that even means.

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

Careerism, abortion and misinformation about fertility all decrease the fertility rates of intelligent white people.

Those factors decrease the fertility rate of everyone, man. Again, you keep using this term, "white" over and over when, in the way that you are using it, really adds nothing to the discussion, as those factors decrease fertility for everyone, and Asians in America share those very low fertility rates. What I'm saying is, why don't you say that those factors decrease fertility. Period. Because that's what they do, they decrease fertility for every group.

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

White culture is constantly attacked as sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic. In reality, white countries are the least sexist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic. So who is spreading that lie?

"White culture?" There's some kind of culture intrinsic to people that are born white? So you're operating under the assumption that Caucasian people in Argentina, inner city Detroit, the artsy parts of New York City, the small towns of Texas, the Azores, New Orleans, the Appalachians, on the shores of the Caspian Sea, in the mosques of Constantinople and Iran, and in the gay clubs and Silicon Valley shuttles of San Francisco share some kind of monolithic "White culture?" Really? Is there a secret handshake or something that ties all these disparate peoples together?

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

Next, they import foreign people that are fucking sexist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic but criticizing their culture, like the left did to our own culture, is forbidden! We need them because of demography, they say. But the reason our population is decreasing in numbers, is because you made it less patriarchal. And the solution is importing patriarchal people.

Foreign people are "fucking sexist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic?" As opposed to Americans like you and I that aren't? Really? It's those foreigners that have these negative Ideals, not like us, no sir...

Really? Because those four adjectives are exactly how you come across on your post, sixsix.

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

Whites are attacked for crimes of their ancestors, while this guilty-by-association is not applied to currently living 'minorities' and these crimes are only linked to white nations, while everybody did it. Slavery, female oppression and abuse, rape culture... It all still exists but all in non-white countries. So why is that hidden?

That's simply not true. Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan are both pretty good in the oppression of women department, and they're as Caucasian as they come, sixsix. Or, wait, do they not count as white? So it's only the San Francisco gays and the New York City thespians that count as part of "White culture?" Or is "white culture" really just whoever you pick and choose to call "white" based on some fanciful imaginary notions buried in the pages of Mein Kampf and phrenological pseudo-science popular in the 18th century?

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

All the good white men have done, like virtually all technology and science, that is now expected to be given freely to Africans (while still oppressing them somehow) is ignored. See the recent focus on highlighting female scientists? If we can be blamed for the bad in our history, we should be acknowledged for the good.

In the past, the Chinese came up with quite a lot of technological innovations, and it's quite likely they'll be taking the lead once more in the future. Furthermore, in the present, the Japanese are at the forefront of many technologies. Technology and science, while definitely strongly advanced by Caucasians (including many distinguished Jewish minds, I'll add), are not in any way intrinsic to the Caucasian race or to "white culture," whatever that even means.

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

The idea is to lower white fertility by demonizing white men (campus rape culture, yes; ghetto rape culture, racist!), guide the women to careers, promiscuity, race-mixing, adoption and the list goes on.

Again, fertility is falling across the world due to economic factors, many couples with access to birth control and money choose to use the birth control and spend the money on other things, like an improved standard of living, these couples are in Japan, Singapore, and all over the world, there is no "white" monopoly on lower fertility rates.

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

EDIT: Just to clarify since it's a controversial topic and we have a diverse forum, the commentary on race-mixing isn't because I think 'black guys are stealing our women' and I happen to like some exotic tail myself. The problem is the covert but ubiquitous promotion of white-female miscegenation while stigmatizing the more common white-male variety.

Miscegenation? Did you just come out of a time capsule?

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

All that, in the context that it's done by Jew-controlled media; Jews that are violently opposed to race-mixing and immigration to their country are pushing it here.

And there we have it.

How did I know that was coming?

This next part is for Zel.

Zel, you've got some insightful posts, man, you really do, but many times, it seems like you're just throwing out chum that the trolls lurking in the darkest corners of the RVF ocean can smell from a mile away. It seems like many of the times that you post, out comes the "Stormfront Brigade," and you seem to have mastered the art of saying just enough to spread the anti-semitism and other forms of thinly disguised racism, while retaining plausible deniability for doing so, preventing yourself from getting banned.

I had work to do tonight, and instead, you guys, instead of focusing on self improvement and game, drag me down to your level.

Not cool, Zel, not cool, sixsix.

[Sp5]

All of this supposed pro-immigration propaganda is not motivating Europe to do much to enable or save the lives of these African boat people.

Instead, the facts are downplayed or obscured by western media relative to other mass-fatal incidents.

It may be a legitimate policy (the migrants are assuming the risk, it's on them if they drown), it may not be, but it's not being forthrightly presented.

I'm reading The Culture of Critique. It's obvious bullshit.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-20-2015 05:33 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Zel...you've got some insightful posts, man, you really do, but many times, it seems like you're just throwing out chum that the trolls lurking in the darkest corners of the RVF ocean can smell from a mile away. It seems like many of the times that you post, out comes the "Stormfront Brigade," and you seem to have mastered the art of saying just enough to spread the anti-semitism and other forms of thinly disguised racism, while retaining plausible deniability for doing so, preventing yourself from getting banned.

I had work to do tonight, and instead, you guys, instead of focusing on self improvement and game, drag me down to your level.

Not cool, Zel, not cool, sixsix.

Relax man - I like the Jewish culture and my ancestors from my grandmother's side are probably Jewish anyway. I am not accusing an entire people of dark deeds regardless whether there are some of them who do it. There are plenty of supposed Christians, Buddhists, atheists, even Muslims etc. who all work for this world plan.

It's a topic that slips quickly into straight anti-semitism, but the video I posted was just too good in it's clarity. I give a rat's ass whether the lady was Jewish. Personally I would not even mind converting if I met a super-cute girl, but this does not change the entire world structure we live in.

[MongolianAbroad]

(04-20-2015 05:04 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

A few more thoughts:

Black Americans are called African Americans. This is deliberately not done with 'white' people to obscure the fact that not European Americans but Jewish Americans are mightily privileged. Only 2-3% of the population and 33% of the billionaires. Let's take a look at their powerful positions in media, business and politics. Those white boardrooms are a lot more disproportionately Jewish American than anything else: Jew Privilege.

This clustering also makes European Americans identify with Jewish Americans, who most definitely do not identify with the us dirty goyim. Thinking they're the same group, they don't see the exploitation.

Second thought: The black population of the US is also getting fucked over. Their family structure is ruined, they're bombarded with thug culture (and who's providing the platform?) and being told you're being victimized and it's impossible to succeed, does not facilitate success for young black kids.

Also, mass immigration from the countries south of the US is really bad for black Americans, many who are in the same niche as the illegal immigrants. Less jobs, lower wages, more expensive housing. But opposing immigration is portrayed as something xenophobic white racists would do.

The interracial violence that is not talked about in the press, is between blacks and hispanics and that will only increase when hispanics become more prominent.

Everybody is being played, and successfully. Whites and blacks think the other party is after them. Men and women are being divided non-stop. It's a deliberate subversion of our societies and unlikely to be combatted successfully with words.

You've had an account here at the RVF since 2012, and I foresee that tenure coming to an end soon.

In the interests of doing a service to other members who may think of spouting this nonsense in the future, both on the forum, but more importantly, in their personal lives, I'm going to state that these very base identity politics are not conducive to anything, really, other than writing a worst-selling book, titled:

"How to Make Enemies and Not Influence People."

Guys, if you ever have these thoughts, think this:

"What emotional state am I in?"

And the most likely answer will be, a negative emotional state, be it scared, angry, or sad. The emotional state that conjures up the posts like sixsix's is not the positive state, happy.

There are only four emotional states, guys. They are happy, sad, angry, and scared. All other states are variations of these, for example worried is a weaker form of scared, annoyed is a weaker form of angry, and so on.

Now, there are times when it behooves us to be in one of the three negative emotional states, for example, being sad is useful when grieving for the death of a loved one, as we should not bottle those emotions in, being scared is useful when there is a real danger to life and limb, to prevent us from taking unwise actions, and being angry is seldom useful, but can trigger a call to action when an injustice has been committed.

That said, other than some very specific instances, living a life which constantly inhabits one of the three negative emotional states, as opposed to the positive emotional state, happy/upbeat/positive about the future, is not conducive to personal growth.

You may not understand what I am saying, especially if you're on the younger side, but I promise you this:

Coming from the place where these very base identity politics are coming from is no way to live your life.

Just don't go there.

If you do, your world becomes much smaller and you end up hurting yourself.

We're all multifaceted individuals and deserve to be treated as such.

Extend this courtesy to others in your life, and you'll find that you'll be richer for it.

I hope that makes sense.

[Libertas]

(04-20-2015 03:58 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

I've always thought these myths were smokescreens used to make up an argument for the sake of an argument without any evidence to back it up to make people feel better about themselves or superior. Reality is, if it was that bad for the economy they wouldn't allow immigrants into the country in the first place.

Wrong. It's good for the elites that are on top of the economy and that's precisely why they're being let in. For everyone else they are a net drain, for reasons explained already.

All the evidence that's needed for this is that as immigration has increased, median income has declined and real purchasing power has also remained stagnant or declined.

You cannot have increasing wages and access to good jobs in an economy that continues to import so many people, period.

(04-20-2015 04:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

The idea is to lower white fertility by demonizing white men (campus rape culture, yes; ghetto rape culture, racist!), guide the women to careers, promiscuity, race-mixing, adoption and the list goes on.

While Spaniard88 is spouting typical emotive leftist tripe, he is right about one thing - the decreased fertility is largely a result of economic advancement, not some "Jew media" conspiracy. Anytime you go above the level of subsistence farming the birth rate declines.

That's really the humorous thing about capitalism. If it requires continued population growth to perpetuate itself, its death is essentially programmed from the start.

I don't maintain that, but it's still a humorous thought.

[Lizard King]

(04-20-2015 03:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

immigration in the West at the current time is not beneficial to the lower 95% and I am saying that being myself the son of immigrants. There is definitely something sinister going on with the current flooding of the West - you will see the effects of that only much later. Alas I am sure that it won't effect the 0,01% - they may close off certain parts of town completely issuing zoning passes. Ah - good times coming in the future...

That is more or less what I'm saying. Immigration benefits the very top tier of society. The social impact on the remainder is of no consequence to the ruling elite, they just want the economic benefits.

[Hades]

Under a libertarian government model, immigration would be a lot less anyway since there wouldn't be welfare and food stamps that attract freeloaders. I imagine significantly lower taxes, too.

[sixsix]

Spaniard88, I think you are the one that's in an emotional state when discussing this, not me.

As stated, the reason I brought up the reasoning from The Culture Of Critique is that Roosh himself said he's reading it and will soon publish his review. I even added the disclaimer that despite it's controversial nature, we shouldn't discuss it from a personal perspective. Dispassionate analysis of difficult facts is a hallmark of mature thought.

To paraphrase my argument:

The vigor used to criticize the culture of Western countries by leftists, is entirely lacking when it concerns the culture of non-Western immigrants. Christianity has been attacked incessantly for being sexist and homophobic, and in some ways rightly so. But these same people do not hold non-Western immigrants to the same standards. Even worse, concerned citizens that have the audacity to wonder about the compatibility of their societies and the culture of the immigrants are screamed down as racists.

Why is this done? Manspreading is sexist, but widespread sexual abuse of at least 1400 young girls by Muslim immigrants is swept under the rug. Frat boys calling each other faggots, but wanting to discuss the explicit homophobic views of many of the immigrants is xenophobic blasphemy.

And talking blasphemy: Didn't the lefties love tearing down everything Christians think is sacred? But when muslim immigrants slaughter cartoonists and writers, "murder is bad, but you shouldn't offend people."

And by the way: When I bring up Jewish overrepresentation in positions of power, it's "Oh no, here we go/Stormfront" but when people talk about white overrepresentation it's fine. And saying: People in power are disproportionally Jewish =/= Most Jewish people are in positions of power.

Instead of disputing the facts, you have to label the people you disagree with.

[Grange]

(04-20-2015 03:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

[Also quick note to Germany and the Marshall plan - the money was good, but Germany was the most populous economy and also the most educated - in the 1920s most Nobel price laureates came from Germany. Many top scientists later moved to the US. Also the industrialization was top-notch coupled with a natural work-ethic. So essentially you had the most educated highly industrious country in the 1930s hit with disastrous full libertarian economic measures (yes - they were 100% Ron Paul measures) just before Hitler came to power. After the war it was natural that such a country would use the Marshall plan much better than France. Also Germany without WWI and WWII would have become a much greater European superpower quite naturally. The wars actually destroyed their potential. ]

Could you give more detail about this? Everything I've read leads me to think the opposite happened but I'm not European and I'm probably missing sources.

[lskdfjldsf]

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The lion's share of immigrants to Germany came from Turkey and they were invited there legally as there was a labor shortage during a time when the German economy was booming.

Yes and no - they were invited as Gastarbeiter, or guest workers, with absolutely no intention of allowing them to stay permanently. The problem isn't just that they stayed illegally afterwards, but brought their entire families with them and started growing roots.

In Germany you have three main groups of non-EU foreigners:

- Descendants of Gastarbeiter from the 1960's and 1970's, mostly Turks
- Low skilled immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East, the bulk of foreigners in Germany; allowed into the country through EU immigration laws
- Refugees, mostly from Ghana and Somalia who enter illegally and are granted asylum

In terms of total foreigners, the majority are from neighboring EU states like Poland and Romania.

Now keep in mind the process of gaining a work visa and residency permit in Germany as a Westerner. I must earn 2.0x the average national salary, contribute taxes with no ability to collect on Rentenversicherung (German Social Security), no ability to bring family, I must be Bachelor Degree educated, speak the language fluently, etc.

In other words, it's a fucking joke. Immigration isn't about improving the economy or bringing skilled workers into the country - any American, Canadian, or Australian who's waited in line at the Ausländerbehörde can tell you that. It's not about "multiculturalism" or having multiple cultures live side by side - there's only the German culture, and a competing Islamic culture.

Call me cold or calloused, but I would sink every one of those boats to the bottom of the sea. Any boat that makes it to shore would be turned around with enough food and water for the return trip.

Letting 500 people drown will save 10,000 lives down the road if used as a deterrent.

[Troll King]

Damn, I just realized that it has been about five years since I last visited Italy. I was shocked at the time with respect to how much it had changed in just a little over a decade before when I had visited a few times as a teen traveling back to America during my summers. The number of African squatters is what really amazed me to no end. At night I left the hostel and went looking for good bars and clubs to get drunk in and it wasn't uncommon to see all the Africans pissing and shitting in the streets, getting in fights and being generally disruptive, and also just sleeping on the streets. You would walk out of the metro and there would be a dozen or so sleeping covered in blankets with buckets nearby for shitting in. It also amazed me at the number of middle eastern people. I was broke and just traveling for a little over a week so I was looking at the menus of places to eat for on the cheap and had figured out that the price of a margarita pizza corresponded nicely to the other prices in the restaurants. Most of the places my brother and I could afford to eat at were owned and operated by middle easterners or Africans.

I got to see some youth protests that turned into mini riots over unemployment and immigration too, that was fun.

As far as the jewish stuff Zelco brought up. I wonder if some of the pro-immigration for white nations pushed by Israel doesn't have another effect to it all. How many African and Middle Easterners have been displaced in the last 15 years or so and pretty much moved to Europe or American/Canada permanently?

Millions? 10s of millions? Displacing that many of host populations of what is essentially and literally Israel's hostile next door neighbors makes sense from a strategic position if you think about it. They are too small to battle them all at the same time or even in sequence. Also, as powerful as they are compared to those countries, it would be politically non-feasible to go to war with all of those countries. So, they push each group farther and farther outwards with African ending up farther away and North/North East African and Middle Easterners doing the same or ending up pushed farther into Africa and this weakens current allies who are powerful enough to go against them if they wanted to while also radicalizing small groups here and there which strengthens their allies commitments against terrorism. At the same time they are drastically reducing population density in the countries surrounding them and maybe years down the road they start redrawing borders giving themselves a larger piece of the pie.

Just a thought.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-20-2015 08:45 AM)Grange Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 03:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

[Also quick note to Germany and the Marshall plan - the money was good, but Germany was the most populous economy and also the most educated - in the 1920s most Nobel price laureates came from Germany. Many top scientists later moved to the US. Also the industrialization was top-notch coupled with a natural work-ethic. So essentially you had the most educated highly industrious country in the 1930s hit with disastrous full libertarian economic measures (yes - they were 100% Ron Paul measures) just before Hitler came to power. After the war it was natural that such a country would use the Marshall plan much better than France. Also Germany without WWI and WWII would have become a much greater European superpower quite naturally. The wars actually destroyed their potential. ]

Could you give more detail about this? Everything I've read leads me to think the opposite happened but I'm not European and I'm probably missing sources.

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Between 1930 and 1932, Brüning tried to reform the Weimar Republic without a parliamentary majority, governing, when necessary, through the President's emergency decrees. In line with the contemporary economic theory (subsequently termed "leave-it-alone liquidationism"), he enacted a draconian policy of deflation, drastically cutting state expenditure.[1] Among other measures, he completely halted all public grants to the obligatory unemployment insurance introduced in 1927, resulting in workers making higher contributions and fewer benefits for the unemployed. Benefits for the sick, invalid and pensioners were also reduced sharply.[40] Additional difficulties were caused by the different deflationary policies pursued by Brüning and the Reichsbank, Germany's central bank.[41]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Repu...der_Weimar

Personally I espouse to economic realities and potential reforms by Realcurrencies https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/ or this guy: https://name789.wordpress.com/. In essence it's interest free money creation and plenty of capital & liquidity provided to the small & middle class business. Under social credit you don't even need welfare since it becomes a form of money creation, but everyone gets it, but there should be other measures connected to it as well.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-20-2015 08:49 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

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Now keep in mind the process of gaining a work visa and residency permit in Germany as a Westerner. I must earn 2.0x the average national salary, contribute taxes with no ability to collect on Rentenversicherung (German Social Security), no ability to bring family, I must be Bachelor Degree educated, speak the language fluently, etc.

In other words, it's a fucking joke. Immigration isn't about improving the economy or bringing skilled workers into the country - any American, Canadian, or Australian who's waited in line at the Ausländerbehörde can tell you that. It's not about "multiculturalism" or having multiple cultures live side by side - there's only the German culture, and a competing Islamic culture.
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Even the first German immigration measures were strange - back then it would have been easy to further invite Italians or Spanish countries to come and work in Germany. But for some mysterious reason they chose Turkey despite knowing that many of them would not integrate - it was done almost deliberately.

Also when looking at US or Canadian immigration - they don't want Poles, Germans or Russians there - you have an easier time immigrating into the US by getting a dark tan and crossing the US border illegally through Texas than to apply via the official channels. The policies in the US & Canada are clearly designed to have an inflow of a very DIFFERENT POPULATION than the indigenous one - just as the honest lady put it - the US just as the EU MUST BOW TO MULTICULTURALISM and accept it. Of course everyone voted on it - heh.