Quote: (04-13-2015 09:41 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:
Quote: (04-12-2015 10:57 PM)MrLemon Wrote:
The southern and midwestern states feel like there is NO WAY IN HELL they will vote for a woman. It will be Bush/Paul/Walker vs. Clinton. Bush will win. Everybody will gasp and pretend to faint. But most politicians knew it was coming.
Republican Congress. Republican President. Personally I don't care, I'm focused on getting the hell out of the country.
Well if Bush wins, you better be getting the hell out (I might even be following you). I don't see how he will be any better than Clinton. Heck, he might even be worse. People quickly forget the disaster that was his brother's presidency for eight years with two wars plunging us into the deficit that we are in now and whose father was voted out back in 1992. The two previous Bush administrations were failures I don't see how he will be any different. If he wins, war with Iran will all but be a mere formality; showing that the GOP are still shills for Israel and that they haven't learned a damn thing.
As for Clinton, I won't be surprised to see Elizabeth Warren possibly throw her hat in the ring and challenge her. She can satisfy the Democrats wants for a female candidate as well as a less polarizing figure than Clinton.
"Well if Bush wins, you better be getting the hell out (I might even be following you). I don't see how he will be any better than Clinton."
Specifically in terms of men, I can see how Clinton would be a lot worse. First, there's the "paycheck fairness act," which will harm men, their families, and decimate high-risk-but-well-paid male jobs if it's passed. Expect women's groups to lobby her on this one.
Second, while Bush might be a warmonger, she is too and she'll have no compunction sending mostly male troops overseas, yet then go around talking about how women are oppressed. Getting sent off to die is a pretty big form of oppression, I'd say.
Then there's the ever-expanding rape laws, which you have to expect her to get behind. Come to think of it, virtually all the pet subjects on this forum regarding gender relations are things she'll be on the other side of.
Finally, back in 1998, she was quoted as saying the following. I think the below quote, more than anything, sums up how women see men as disposable, and shows exactly why men should fear them as leaders. The obliviousness to the lives, worth, and sacrifices of men in the quote is astounding:
"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children."