[ponzored]

For a mid-20's Aussie guy who has grinded through Cocksville, Melbourne his whole life, is London an improvement?

[CaptainCrazy]

(04-10-2015 10:57 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Yeah, to be fair this thread has been extremely negative about Australia - because its only focusing on the game side of things. Aside from when it comes to gaming women the country has a lot going for it.

I would never recommend it to any single male in their 20s, because of the dire game situation. But if someone was 40 or older and happily married they could have a fantastic quality of life in Oz. Its a great country for anyone whos not a single male aged 15-35 I think.

Quality of life in Oz and quality of pussy in SEA. Can't beat that.

A met a few native Aussie expats in Cebu though and they were pretty negative about Oz and happy to be in Philippines instead.

[malakaix]

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[Que enspastic]

(04-10-2015 08:08 PM)ponzored Wrote:  

For a mid-20's Aussie guy who has grinded through Cocksville, Melbourne his whole life, is London an improvement?

Yes.

Pros:
- London doesn't have huge guys, its gym culture is much smaller
- London has more clubs of every niche
- London has Europeans and Latin Americans, Melbourne has Asians. I prefer the former as do most men.
- London is a base to explore Europe which is all within 5 hours away, mostly 2-3 hours on average.
- Melbourne is a base to explore nowhere except maybe New Zealand and Indonesia. Thailand is only 5 hours further from London than Melbourne. When I was in Melbourne, Thailand was considered "close".
- 22-24 days annual leave a year on top of 8 days annual holidays. Just need to use 2 days holiday to hit Berlin / Budapest / Wroclaw or somewhere cool for a Thurs-Sun city break. I am in Europe 7+ times this year and Asia once.
- Flights to Europe are around 50-80GBP return.
- London forces you to hustle, it is not as comfortable as Melbourne

Cons
- London forces you to hustle, it is not as comfortable as Melbourne
- It's really expensive. I thought Melbourne was expensive. It's not at all. Cheap fruit and veg at Queen Vic Market, cheap public transport (or just ride everywhere), cheap taxis, cheap rent.
- Logistics in Melbourne are easy and cheap - live in Carlton or CBD, somewhere within walking distance or quick taxi ride of clubs. In London good logistics are unaffordable.
- English and Australian girls are both low quality, much the same, same genetics. Australian hot private school girls are likewise just as hard as London's upper crust to game.
- Salaries start lower. Minimum wage is disgraceful. But the pay is huge if you make it to the top.

[zatara]

(04-11-2015 07:29 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 08:08 PM)ponzored Wrote:  

For a mid-20's Aussie guy who has grinded through Cocksville, Melbourne his whole life, is London an improvement?

Yes.

Pros:
- London doesn't have huge guys, its gym culture is much smaller
- London has more clubs of every niche
- London has Europeans and Latin Americans, Melbourne has Asians. I prefer the former as do most men.
- London is a base to explore Europe which is all within 5 hours away, mostly 2-3 hours on average.
- Melbourne is a base to explore nowhere except maybe New Zealand and Indonesia. Thailand is only 5 hours further from London than Melbourne. When I was in Melbourne, Thailand was considered "close".
- 22-24 days annual leave a year on top of 8 days annual holidays. Just need to use 2 days holiday to hit Berlin / Budapest / Wroclaw or somewhere cool for a Thurs-Sun city break. I am in Europe 7+ times this year and Asia once.
- Flights to Europe are around 50-80GBP return.
- London forces you to hustle, it is not as comfortable as Melbourne

Cons
- London forces you to hustle, it is not as comfortable as Melbourne
- It's really expensive. I thought Melbourne was expensive. It's not at all. Cheap fruit and veg at Queen Vic Market, cheap public transport (or just ride everywhere), cheap taxis, cheap rent.
- Logistics in Melbourne are easy and cheap - live in Carlton or CBD, somewhere within walking distance or quick taxi ride of clubs. In London good logistics are unaffordable.
- English and Australian girls are both low quality, much the same, same genetics. Australian hot private school girls are likewise just as hard as London's upper crust to game.
- Salaries start lower. Minimum wage is disgraceful. But the pay is huge if you make it to the top.

Good post. A major, major con you've missed for London though is the weather. October to April here is dismal. There's nothing quite so depressing in life as arriving in the office while its still dark outside, and then leaving the office when its dark outside again, in lashing cold rain in December. Awful.

[pialox]

My Alaskan friend once came and stayed with me a year or two back. He commented on how beautiful the women here were.
He is 6"4', built in the coast guard and like anything a guy with an accent usually score a few extra SMV points in a foreign country.

He went out in the day time to go grab a coffee and was approaching girls most of the day. After a day of this he came to the conclusion that Australian girls have the most horrible vocal fry and articulation and swear more than sailor. At that point he knew I was right about what I told him of Australian Girls.

It is quite true with making money in Australia. I do not have a university education but I have a pretty easy job that earns me $85k a year with 4 weeks leave a year and flex time. If you decide to chase pussy or get your self an Australian woman... those gains can take a big hit.

I think everyone here with the idea of earning up money and taking of to SEA has the right idea. My Dad does fly in fly out work in the mines and he has told me of plenty of guys who work out there and when their 4 weeks leave comes up they are on the next plane back to Thailand.

[Roardog]

(04-12-2015 05:23 AM)zatara Wrote:  

(04-11-2015 07:29 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 08:08 PM)ponzored Wrote:  

For a mid-20's Aussie guy who has grinded through Cocksville, Melbourne his whole life, is London an improvement?

Yes.

Pros:
- London doesn't have huge guys, its gym culture is much smaller
- London has more clubs of every niche
- London has Europeans and Latin Americans, Melbourne has Asians. I prefer the former as do most men.
- London is a base to explore Europe which is all within 5 hours away, mostly 2-3 hours on average.
- Melbourne is a base to explore nowhere except maybe New Zealand and Indonesia. Thailand is only 5 hours further from London than Melbourne. When I was in Melbourne, Thailand was considered "close".
- 22-24 days annual leave a year on top of 8 days annual holidays. Just need to use 2 days holiday to hit Berlin / Budapest / Wroclaw or somewhere cool for a Thurs-Sun city break. I am in Europe 7+ times this year and Asia once.
- Flights to Europe are around 50-80GBP return.
- London forces you to hustle, it is not as comfortable as Melbourne

Cons
- London forces you to hustle, it is not as comfortable as Melbourne
- It's really expensive. I thought Melbourne was expensive. It's not at all. Cheap fruit and veg at Queen Vic Market, cheap public transport (or just ride everywhere), cheap taxis, cheap rent.
- Logistics in Melbourne are easy and cheap - live in Carlton or CBD, somewhere within walking distance or quick taxi ride of clubs. In London good logistics are unaffordable.
- English and Australian girls are both low quality, much the same, same genetics. Australian hot private school girls are likewise just as hard as London's upper crust to game.
- Salaries start lower. Minimum wage is disgraceful. But the pay is huge if you make it to the top.

Good post. A major, major con you've missed for London though is the weather. October to April here is dismal. There's nothing quite so depressing in life as arriving in the office while its still dark outside, and then leaving the office when its dark outside again, in lashing cold rain in December. Awful.

I second that. I spent a year living in Cambridge which is a great city full of young girls from all over Europe and the world.
However winter anywhere in the UK is terrible compared to Australia. Dark, wet and dismal. By the time late Feb rolled around I wanted to shoot myself.

[worldtraveller85]

If you're young and good looking night game is great in Australia. Girls are slutty and u will have a ball. Girls go out to pick up. Clubs and pubs are full of single people. If you are ugly or out of shape u will not fair so well. Simple. It's all about youth and looks. If you're over 35 and single and still want quality Australia is torture. And I've seen big black Americans clean up.

Adelaide is the worst unless u want to settle down.

[Green-On-GO]

If you are young and can go overseas, do it,broaden your horizons .
Get women in Europe or Nth America..I figure Yanks have been coming here since their Civil War,they fucked our women silly during WW2 until the 80's....it's payback time..I'm going to the US on a sex tour ,Yanks talk shit, they've got good looking women either that or only good looking ones travel.

I went to Europe for 2 years in my 20's I never went for the women.After those two years I wanted to for that reason and in the last few years I have.
Don't listen to me though I love Danish and American women.

The biggest winners for beautiful young women in Sydney and Melbourne, which I know best ,are not the over 6 foot jacked up dudes or sportsmen.Bullshit.

The biggest winners and the hardest blokes to compete against are the Coke dealers or those that can easily get it.Sorry I'm 44, been around and it's just got worse and worse considering that this country is one of the most expensive countries in the World to buy that shit.

I've been to top clubs in both cities over the years and Coke sluts abound.I now get approached by women telling me all they want to do is do lines and fuck 'Can you sell or get me some"...no shit. Women in their 20's or 30's and I'm usually solo.
I tried to figure out why I was getting approached so much, especially in Sydney..it must be my dress and I'm no pretty boy ,shaven head etc.Coke was the common denominator. I don't do drugs both for professional and family reasons.However I don't judge these women and can have a laugh ,it actually leads to more IOIs and helps me when approaching other women,go figure.

On my 24th birthday I lost a girl to a famous model's brother not because he had fame game but because "He's got free coke"
Chicks love the shit ,it's female Viagra.
You wanna talk clubs ,then that shit rules in Aussie clubs not looks... Most chicks can not afford to throw down 3 to 400 for a gram or more.So those cashed up ex Private School, tall blokes carrying on, have access to what?Dragging the girls to the toilet to fuck..maybe but more likely to rack up.
Guys take Coke to strip joints in Melbourne and high end rub and tugs in Sydney for what? It ain't for them.
All these guys buying drinks mean fuck all when there is a dealer in the room who will get his dick sucked and who will be fucking some chick up the arse. I've seen this shit man.Then said chick walks out to bar again and kisses bloke who's buying her drinks.Makes me think "Did it happen to me"

Saying that though I disagree that all Australian women are ugly and fat.Again bullshit.There are stunners I see them everyday. I'm not going to grade them.I find guys I work with commentating on fat chicks or 'pigs' negative as all fuck,if you don't think they are good looking then say fucking nothing about them.Some blokes fill themselves up with loathing for these women that they miss the good looking ones.
In my 20's I had such oneits and never approached, I knew nothing about it...I held blue pill beliefs,that is why I was no good with Aussie chicks.Things changed.

I further more I don't believe Aussie blokes are approach machines, yeah in a big group maybe but solo or in 2s no way.Overseas they are, after a skinful of piss, at home no way.I wing with a bloke older than me and we lament the fact the boys are not getting in there.I just see to many standing around.

Melbourne and Sydney especially Sydney in summer is just full of good looking women from around the world.Just swing towards the beachside suburbs.How you can miss them is beyond me.
Melbourne is a grind and it is a cockfest going out you really have to work hard agreed...and that's just to find a venue.
It was pretty even back in the 90's and there were more venues from the suburbs into the city.Picking up was actually easier out in the suburbs..even if you were a sad cunt like me...those places are mostly Poker machine venues now.

I find most blokes especially the younger guys using online sites like Tinder...and you do have to be good looking or photogenic for that.Again I have seen what good looking blokes can do on Tinder it's just so easy for them, no game, no work just 4 or 5 pics...I have no hope even if ,and I do, lie about my real age.
Women don't want the truth anyway they want to be lied to...especially if they are not looking for a boyfriend or cheating on one.

And maybe some women are impressed by suits. I don't know but I find Aussie chicks want their men to look masculine it's not about the money.These new suits make guys look feminine,the whole fashion now is to emasculate the male like some 18th century fop.They don't give a fuck here if you wear Armani unless it's in daylight at the Races, just get a good classic watch.Plus its dark in pubs and clubs.
Office chicks here want the tradesman fantasy or cop or fireman not the bloke who has had his balls cut off back at the office.I know woman on my FB that post pics of tradesmen doing manual labor with their shirts off or some hot cop with a pistol and load bearing vest on.

If anything young Aussie blokes are lacking true masculinity when all they are doing is building muscle for their Instagram profile or for the music festival.Or they are wearing their mum's Capri's rolled up to their shins making them look sexless or like lesbians.The extra long black tshirt, over skin tight black jeans and man-bun is female as fuck..
Put it this way ,I work with a 45 year old gay bloke, he is lamenting the fact that young guys here look like women....A fucking gay bloke reckons males here are becoming female ,that floored me.
In my world in the cities, when it comes to looks it's not that Aussie guys are jacked or tall it's that they lost their balls and a basically taking on to many female traits.Talking to women I know from 25 to 40 this is their compliant...
My eyes were first open to this last year when I was in Prague, a young American college student approached me for help .She said "I didn't think you were Australian" I said "Why"?
She said " Because you don't dress like a women ,all the other Aussie guys look like girls".She was right.

Asian and Indian dudes FOB will struggle no doubt.Two slayers that I know are Filo and Indian both have strong Aussie accents played footy and dance.The problem though is Asian and Indian women chasing white dick.
Indian blokes moan but Sri Lankan and Mauritian blokes do OK .I've seen more Aussie girls with Asian blokes in Sydney than Melbourne.

I know young Spanish and French lads who rate Melbourne for women...I actually couldn't believe it but they are looking at extending their stay.So it's out there.Both short dudes too both have girlfriends.
And that's another thing here if you want to pick up Aussie women here ,have a girlfriend.When I was married chicks knew my wife was flying home and would be hitting on me when she left.I noticed also my mates with LTRs get laid way more from pick up than my single friends here.



If you want to travel here then do the backpacker route there are so many women doing that. I've noticed alot more Sth American women and definitely French here now to.You don't have to come here to fuck an Aussie bird there are women from all over the world here or am I the only one meeting these people?And if you are or going interstate book a single room at a upmarket backpacker Hostel..you never know.

[Adrenaline]

(04-14-2015 07:13 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  

If you are young and can go overseas, do it,broaden your horizons .
Get women in Europe or Nth America..I figure Yanks have been coming here since their Civil War,they fucked our women silly during WW2 until the 80's....it's payback time..I'm going to the US on a sex tour ,Yanks talk shit, they've got good looking women either that or only good looking ones travel.

I went to Europe for 2 years in my 20's I never went for the women.After those two years I wanted to for that reason and in the last few years I have.
Don't listen to me though I love Danish and American women.

The biggest winners for beautiful young women in Sydney and Melbourne, which I know best ,are not the over 6 foot jacked up dudes or sportsmen.Bullshit.

The biggest winners and the hardest blokes to compete against are the Coke dealers or those that can easily get it.Sorry I'm 44, been around and it's just got worse and worse considering that this country is one of the most expensive countries in the World to buy that shit.

I've been to top clubs in both cities over the years and Coke sluts abound.I now get approached by women telling me all they want to do is do lines and fuck 'Can you sell or get me some"...no shit. Women in their 20's or 30's and I'm usually solo.
I tried to figure out why I was getting approached so much, especially in Sydney..it must be my dress and I'm no pretty boy ,shaven head etc.Coke was the common denominator. I don't do drugs both for professional and family reasons.However I don't judge these women and can have a laugh ,it actually leads to more IOIs and helps me when approaching other women,go figure.

On my 24th birthday I lost a girl to a famous model's brother not because he had fame game but because "He's got free coke"
Chicks love the shit ,it's female Viagra.
You wanna talk clubs ,then that shit rules in Aussie clubs not looks... Most chicks can not afford to throw down 3 to 400 for a gram or more.So those cashed up ex Private School, tall blokes carrying on, have access to what?Dragging the girls to the toilet to fuck..maybe but more likely to rack up.
Guys take Coke to strip joints in Melbourne and high end rub and tugs in Sydney for what? It ain't for them.
All these guys buying drinks mean fuck all when there is a dealer in the room who will get his dick sucked and who will be fucking some chick up the arse. I've seen this shit man.Then said chick walks out to bar again and kisses bloke who's buying her drinks.Makes me think "Did it happen to me"

Saying that though I disagree that all Australian women are ugly and fat.Again bullshit.There are stunners I see them everyday. I'm not going to grade them.I find guys I work with commentating on fat chicks or 'pigs' negative as all fuck,if you don't think they are good looking then say fucking nothing about them.Some blokes fill themselves up with loathing for these women that they miss the good looking ones.
In my 20's I had such oneits and never approached, I knew nothing about it...I held blue pill beliefs,that is why I was no good with Aussie chicks.Things changed.

I further more I don't believe Aussie blokes are approach machines, yeah in a big group maybe but solo or in 2s no way.Overseas they are, after a skinful of piss, at home no way.I wing with a bloke older than me and we lament the fact the boys are not getting in there.I just see to many standing around.

Melbourne and Sydney especially Sydney in summer is just full of good looking women from around the world.Just swing towards the beachside suburbs.How you can miss them is beyond me.
Melbourne is a grind and it is a cockfest going out you really have to work hard agreed...and that's just to find a venue.
It was pretty even back in the 90's and there were more venues from the suburbs into the city.Picking up was actually easier out in the suburbs..even if you were a sad cunt like me...those places are mostly Poker machine venues now.

I find most blokes especially the younger guys using online sites like Tinder...and you do have to be good looking or photogenic for that.Again I have seen what good looking blokes can do on Tinder it's just so easy for them, no game, no work just 4 or 5 pics...I have no hope even if ,and I do, lie about my real age.
Women don't want the truth anyway they want to be lied to...especially if they are not looking for a boyfriend or cheating on one.

And maybe some women are impressed by suits. I don't know but I find Aussie chicks want their men to look masculine it's not about the money.These new suits make guys look feminine,the whole fashion now is to emasculate the male like some 18th century fop.They don't give a fuck here if you wear Armani unless it's in daylight at the Races, just get a good classic watch.Plus its dark in pubs and clubs.
Office chicks here want the tradesman fantasy or cop or fireman not the bloke who has had his balls cut off back at the office.I know woman on my FB that post pics of tradesmen doing manual labor with their shirts off or some hot cop with a pistol and load bearing vest on.

If anything young Aussie blokes are lacking true masculinity when all they are doing is building muscle for their Instagram profile or for the music festival.Or they are wearing their mum's Capri's rolled up to their shins making them look sexless or like lesbians.The extra long black tshirt, over skin tight black jeans and man-bun is female as fuck..
Put it this way ,I work with a 45 year old gay bloke, he is lamenting the fact that young guys here look like women....A fucking gay bloke reckons males here are becoming female ,that floored me.
In my world in the cities, when it comes to looks it's not that Aussie guys are jacked or tall it's that they lost their balls and a basically taking on to many female traits.Talking to women I know from 25 to 40 this is their compliant...
My eyes were first open to this last year when I was in Prague, a young American college student approached me for help .She said "I didn't think you were Australian" I said "Why"?
She said " Because you don't dress like a women ,all the other Aussie guys look like girls".She was right.

Asian and Indian dudes FOB will struggle no doubt.Two slayers that I know are Filo and Indian both have strong Aussie accents played footy and dance.The problem though is Asian and Indian women chasing white dick.
Indian blokes moan but Sri Lankan and Mauritian blokes do OK .I've seen more Aussie girls with Asian blokes in Sydney than Melbourne.

I know young Spanish and French lads who rate Melbourne for women...I actually couldn't believe it but they are looking at extending their stay.So it's out there.Both short dudes too both have girlfriends.
And that's another thing here if you want to pick up Aussie women here ,have a girlfriend.When I was married chicks knew my wife was flying home and would be hitting on me when she left.I noticed also my mates with LTRs get laid way more from pick up than my single friends here.



If you want to travel here then do the backpacker route there are so many women doing that. I've noticed alot more Sth American women and definitely French here now to.You don't have to come here to fuck an Aussie bird there are women from all over the world here or am I the only one meeting these people?And if you are or going interstate book a single room at a upmarket backpacker Hostel..you never know.

I have to give it to you, that was one hell of an entertaining post! But I also have to question the type of scene you've been apart of if you think dealing coke gets quality pussy. I am very aware of how many girls are into drugs here (although most stick to weed and pills) but these aren't the types of girls I would want to stick my dick in. They're pure filth.

[CodyB]

He is actually quite spot on, at least in Sydney, any upscale venue in the cbd, x or eastern subs will be awash in rack and girls looking for it, I've had this confirmed by female friends who regularly get random dudes offering them shit fir no other reason than they are somewhat attractive and have a pussy.

Go to ivy, establishment, hugos, Casablanca in double Bay (if you can get in) white revolver in Bondi or any of the eastern subs hip joints, they are all massively rack oriented.

As I remember Melbourne was much the same especially Chapel Street venues.

[Nascimento]

A thread like this really makes me consider how everything is to an extent in equilibrium.

In general, comparing Canada to Australia it seems like the dating scene might be better over here. But, for 4 months of the year we deal with absolute hellish wasteland weather where for 2 of those months I am convinced there are very few places in the world more difficult for game. Meanwhile, the coldest temperatures Australia deals with are maybe around 10 degrees Celsius and over there is sunny all year round.

Some guys brought up how the UK is much superior to Australia for game. But UK is also cold for half the year, albeit not as much as Canada, though overcast and rainy skies seem almost the norm.

[8ball]

Regardless of all the hate the US receives from this forum its still the best in the Anglosphere(thats not saying much though). Cities like NYC, VEGAS, MIAMI, LA don't exist in the rest of the anglosphere. I also think smaller cities like Scotsdale, Austin, San Diego, Tampa are way better then their British or Canadian counterparts.

[Green-On-GO]

(04-14-2015 07:47 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

I have to give it to you, that was one hell of an entertaining post! But I also have to question the type of scene you've been apart of if you think dealing coke gets quality pussy. I am very aware of how many girls are into drugs here (although most stick to weed and pills) but these aren't the types of girls I would want to stick my dick in. They're pure filth.

Mate I am part of no scene I'm over that shit.One of my work friends was a top bouncer in Sydney he introduced me to this scene where models both male and female partied.I never lined up in my young days just went straight through.I was into clubbing till I went to Europe.
Things matured but I still have connections or I'd like to think I do.

I'm sick of hearing Australia has no good looking women when I've seen them, dated them and married/divorced them over the years. You guys can not be serious.

And I don't think these coke guys get quality women..I know it. I'm not bitter it's just the way it is.You think these 18 year olds are not sucking the bouncer off in the back room or getting banged by the bouncers think again.Girls come in with their boyfriends and leave their numbers with the bouncer FFS.I did the door in Sydney a couple of times as a stand in at some dance parties and I was drowning in pussy I was fucking preyed upon.
I'm not talking about some pills and weeds that's low end. I'm talking high end establishments, it's the fucking currency, even at low end some descent looking girl will be drawn to it like flies to shit.Its to expensive for a normal chick to afford.Your eastern suburb exclusive Private school girls have been doing it since they were 16-17.. Melbourne much the same mob.
Put a drug bus out the front of the Logies I guarantee you a high positive reading.

192 is spot on with the clubs he mentioned just go to the toilets they are rack friendly.I love Establishment by the way and really love the Pavilion over at Coogee.Kind of clean but i still get asked at those places.
I won't go out in Chapel street or off Chapel because of it.I do not want to know these people socially.The upside is these fuckers are giving shit away for free to chicks so hopefully they'll kill the market....

@8ball I think American woman cop to much of a flogging on this forum too there are some really good ones getting around down here that I've met over the last couple of years.Really cool chicks a bunch of guys from my work are heading over to Vegas for a Bucks party and another group are going to NYC.This will be their second time they had such a ball last time.
BTW I'm talking thin and pretty girls and Holy Baby Jesus some had...game

[JWLZG]

(04-14-2015 09:51 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  

A thread like this really makes me consider how everything is to an extent in equilibrium.

In general, comparing Canada to Australia it seems like the dating scene might be better over here. But, for 4 months of the year we deal with absolute hellish wasteland weather where for 2 of those months I am convinced there are very few places in the world more difficult for game. Meanwhile, the coldest temperatures Australia deals with are maybe around 10 degrees Celsius and over there is sunny all year round.

Some guys brought up how the UK is much superior to Australia for game. But UK is also cold for half the year, albeit not as much as Canada, though overcast and rainy skies seem almost the norm.

Nascimento, from what I've heard from Canadian acquaintances, Toronto, for all its derision on the forum, let alone Montréal, would leave any Australian capital city for dead when it comes to game.

On that note, I think the issue of weather could actually be a corollary. Just as the temperate climates of Northern European countries spurred advances in the sciences, arts and governance that came to expand and dominate world discourse, long periods of cold weather actually stimulates retreats into forms of intellectual reflection and growth. It's for this reason that Slavic peoples are renowned for their chess skills, or their affinity with music, their literary tastes. Ergo, while you would say these translate into hellish game environments, I would in fact propose that they provide a higher quality of game.

That's the myth of the bronzed Aussie babe, the land of Lara Bingle; a good game environment isn't just about the opportunity to mass-approach a herd of twenty-something tanned girls in Supré crop-tops and Ray-Bans at St Kilda or Bondi Beach. A culture centred on year-round 20-degree climate — without the industrious work ethic of even many sub-tropical Asian societies — tends towards a laissez-faire groupthink that puts ones base pleasures foremost. In a sense, we have become Eloi, whereby provider mechanisms in the form of the state (welfare and healthcare), a minimum wage, robust unions and a mollycoddling white-collar workforce means a (penis) paradise that ensures our women will be able to indulge in life's summer creature comforts on a whim.

[JWLZG]

double post

[Nascimento]

Montreal is supposed to be the holy grail up here, I have yet to check it out myself.

Toronto and the Ontario suburbs actually aren't that bad at all during the better half of the year. Plenty of cute, available girls around. You still have to be out there to game them though.

December - March however is another story. It's an absolutely horrid time of year for meeting women. Although I have done well before during this time, it was because I was doing 2-3 nights out a week consistently back then, week in week out, despite the consistently frigid -20 degree weather.

Though like you said, there are upsides to the winter season. Monk mode comes to mind. And skiing.

[worldtraveller85]

There is a lot of hot women in Sydney.

[CaptainCrazy]

(04-14-2015 05:16 PM)worldtraveller85 Wrote:  

There is a lot of hot women in Sydney.

There is a lot of hot Asian women in Sydney. To my taste.

[Saladin]

Me and Deluge discussed this.

I think Melbourne wins out over Toronto overall because of the year long warm weather.

Why?

1) Melbourne has decent weather all year around. Try nightgame in -20 C with -35 C windchills. That's what we've had to go through last couple of winters. Forget about daygame, what with mall cops being on the lookout for PUAs at Eaton Centre.

2) This means Melbourne is legitimate for day game every month of the year for game, while Toronto is day game hell for 4 months of the year(December to March). Night game is also slow and painful during those months.

3) Melbourne gets a ton more European visitors from what I've heard. I rarely meet hot European tourists in Toronto. Then again there's a decent number of Latinas here so it balances out?

I think Toronto is pretty good for the warmer months of the year. Last Saturday was crazy busy.

I can say one thing though, Toronto breeds champions. The guys who do well in Toronto murder it anywhere else.

I actually have one friend who wants to stay in Toronto because its a "tough" environment so he can hone his game. He has around 25 lays this year already which is absolutely crazy. And pretty solid quality as well. I think if you get to a certain level here and break through that "ceiling" and build some abundance you can do well for yourself.

[JWLZG]

(04-14-2015 10:47 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

what with mall cops being on the lookout for PUAs at Eaton Centre.

You're joking, are you?

[RawGod]

(04-14-2015 10:47 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

I actually have one friend who wants to stay in Toronto because its a "tough" environment so he can hone his game. He has around 25 lays this year already which is absolutely crazy. And pretty solid quality as well. I think if you get to a certain level here and break through that "ceiling" and build some abundance you can do well for yourself.

Just curious, what's his style/niche?

[Cyclone]

(04-14-2015 11:11 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 10:47 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

I actually have one friend who wants to stay in Toronto because its a "tough" environment so he can hone his game. He has around 25 lays this year already which is absolutely crazy. And pretty solid quality as well. I think if you get to a certain level here and break through that "ceiling" and build some abundance you can do well for yourself.

Just curious, what's his style/niche?

Yeah, this is the kind of thing that attracts me to tough cities like Sydney, which I was saying earlier. There are some contradictory posts here - some say all the dudes are macho, others saying they are feminine.. maybe it's time to accept that they are both. i actually had a super shy feminine guy who was in a band (!) stay with me in Chicago, though he was from Melbourne it really turned my world upside down. He even got mad at my friend for smoking weed while driving! We all laughed at him.

If the macho men really are not approach machines, i will give Sydney a shot.
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[Adrenaline]

(04-15-2015 01:45 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 11:11 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 10:47 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

I actually have one friend who wants to stay in Toronto because its a "tough" environment so he can hone his game. He has around 25 lays this year already which is absolutely crazy. And pretty solid quality as well. I think if you get to a certain level here and break through that "ceiling" and build some abundance you can do well for yourself.

Just curious, what's his style/niche?

Yeah, this is the kind of thing that attracts me to tough cities like Sydney, which I was saying earlier. There are some contradictory posts here - some say all the dudes are macho, others saying they are feminine.. maybe it's time to accept that they are both. i actually had a super shy feminine guy who was in a band (!) stay with me in Chicago, though he was from Melbourne it really turned my world upside down. He even got mad at my friend for smoking weed while driving! We all laughed at him.

If the macho men really are not approach machines, i will give Sydney a shot.
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Spot on, there are both macho and feminine men in Australia and there is definitely a market for both, but the fact is that feminine looking guys (even if they look like models) wouldn't get as much attention here as they would in a place like Europe because the women drool over masculinity which means tall, muscular and an alpha attitude. Might have something to do with a lot of the women being very masculine themselves. I saw a post from a girl on Facebook that said something along the lines of "Cute guys are overrated, find a 7 that beats up the kitty. That's where it's at." and I think that sums up the attitude of most Aussie women perfectly.

I think the confusion comes because there's three types of competition. There are guys that look macho and dress feminine. They are probably the biggest competition because women love that metrosexual shit. Then there's guys who look macho and don't give a fuck how they dress. Then there's your straight out feminine looking guys who haven't conformed to the gym culture, but that doesn't mean they're bad looking or can't do well. They probably just won't do as well in Australian society as they would elsewhere.

[Saladin]

(04-14-2015 11:11 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 10:47 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

I actually have one friend who wants to stay in Toronto because its a "tough" environment so he can hone his game. He has around 25 lays this year already which is absolutely crazy. And pretty solid quality as well. I think if you get to a certain level here and break through that "ceiling" and build some abundance you can do well for yourself.

Just curious, what's his style/niche?

He goes for college aged girls mostly(18-22) at college aged bars.

His game is heavily dance floor reliant(grinding), and he has a very chill vibe. Really blew my mind hanging out with him, and its improved my game a decent amount as well. Really he's just great at sexual escalation and turning a girl on. Shows how dancefloor game be an incredible tool. He pulls cute to hot girls, with the occasional average girl thrown in. Overall his quality is very good considering its Toronto.

Fairly good looking guy as well.

VersacePython's another guy who does very well in TO. He's one of the hardest workers in the game I know.