[Manwhore]

A couple weeks back I was on a double date with my buddy and two strippers from Sapphire here in Vegas.. things were going alright, my game was in play tho nothing spectacular.. but when my buddy left to go to the bathroom his date started offhandedly talking about some other dude she was seeing who she was apparently banging- my buddy hadn't yet. It was tasteless as fuck I got pissed off and started acting aloof and disinterested in both of them. They noticed it and started pecking at me, his girl trying to make it seem like I was pissed off about something entirely separate that was dumb and inconsequential. I said matter of factly that that wasn't it at all but that I was done with it and if she kept trying to talk about it I WOULD get pissed off. I know that doesn't sound like that big a deal, but it hit them like fucking boulders. By the time we got to the next place my girl was crawling all over me. I made some lame excuse to take her outside, drove her around the backside of some warehouse 'n used her hair as handlebars while I fucked her mouth. She was looking up at me tearing up but still trying to get more of it in. Pounded her multiple times after that.

A couple months back I come up on some girl walking through Cosmopolitan casino (#2 pussy capital of Vegas) and we start hitting it off right away. I pull her in against me and we're walking side by side getting cozy. All of a sudden her Amazon-status mother hen walks up with FULL entitlement and grabs her, starts talking over me and is about to walk off with her. I look up (literally.. this behemoth is over 6 ft in her heels) and say, "Excuse me.. MOTHER HEN.. two minutes.. PLEASE!" She fucking wilts haha. A look of pure pain crosses her face and she just walks off without saying another word. Fuck you too

Anyway I deal with one more mother hen then some chode orbiter who I just ignore 'cuz he doesn't have any balls to speak of, and then take off because I can see she isn't pullable at that point. Ensuing text convo:

Me: It's me. Let me know if you need help ditching the mother hens. We'll hang out later
Girl - 21 mins later: I love the mother hens
Girl: They go wherever I go
Girl: Who is this anyway?
Me - 6 mins later: That hot gay dude you were talking to
Girl - 1 min later: Come here

As I'm coming up on her I see her mother hen about to walk up to her but she sees me first and I see a look of fear pass her face and she stops mid-step haha! She hangs back from about 8 ft away and tells my girl she'll see her later. So I take this girl upstairs to her hotel room and pound the fuck out of her, took video of her sucking my cock and that's when I first noticed the huge rock she was wearing. Come to find out she's a millionaire psychiatrist in Beverly Hills cheating on her husband in Las Vegas haha. Loony as fuck tho she's got way more problems than her patients do.

A dude that knows how to use anger effectively can pry legs apart faster than any "pua" act ever will.

One time I had this girl over at my house and she was annoying the FUCK out of me. I get pissed at her, grab her purse and tell her to walk out with me onto the landing of my 2nd floor apartment. She steps out and I walk back in, shut the sliding glass door and close the curtain in her face. The look on her face will be forever frozen in my memory haha. Anyway she sends me a bunch of texts which I ignore till the next day- they start off pretty pissy but by the middle of the day she's apologizing and wanting to come back. I don't let her till a couple days later and then tell her to bring me a rotisserie chicken from the deli and a six-pack of beer. While I eat the chicken I make her suck my dick.

I was down in Orlando for a few days speaking at a conference and arranged a date with a girl I'd met a couple nights before. She was hardcore Christian went to church every Sunday and talked about loving Jesus on her Facebook profile haha. I go over to her place and we decide to pick up fast food. The only reason she'd allowed me over was 'cuz her cousin was visiting and hanging out with us in her room too haha. I never give a shit about scenarios like this . So I'm driving her car and ordering us food and I get super frustrated with the drive-thru guy (he was legitimately being retarded I'm not a dick) and I halfway lose my shit a couple times with him. She's cooing in the passenger seat the whole time, whispering to me to be nice, but I can tell she's kinda digging it too. So we get back to her spot and at this point she's just really receptive to me and I start pawing at her. Her cousin knows what's up and turns around in the bed and falls asleep LOL. She wouldn't fuck me because of Jesus but he was apparently cool with a blowjob.

I think most dudes act castrated when it comes to expressing anger. They've been socially-conditioned by their parents and the school system to act cordial to everyone. But the world is not a fucking HR department, and that shit is NOT natural to human biology. Which means if you're always trying to keep things "pleasant" the pussy will not be getting wet.

[mikado]

Little Dark is back.

[Doc Rock]

This thread has potential. I love this already.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Is this you?

Nice stories, but I would not say that it worlds apart from PUA-Game - you have mastered quite a bit of it to offer it professionally.

Your use of anger is highly centered and used expertly - it only works in combination with other features. But I have noticed that I have used anger to a degree - just let it go up to a point, because Game has taught me that it excites girls if it is done well enough. This is even the case with LTR game and marriages - wives sometimes want to shudder a bit in fear - gets their juices flowing. This is completely different to what the mainstream media is telling us.

Of course there are expressions of anger which are counter-productive and are even Beta-tells - or you scare away the cat during early seduction. Doing it on a date in a controlled fashion is good - the trick is control and not uncontrolled crazy anger.

[vinman]

I'm subscribing just to see where this is going.....

[the high]

Somewhat unrelated but guys have to stop basing theories on anecdotal evidence.

[fucksong]

@Manwhore (is it really you man? Formerly with RSD?) Based on what you said about your SPECIFIC situations, I don't know if it's so much anger as it was holding your ground LIKE A MAN. I think if someone just gets angry for NO GOOD REASON, then you come off looking like a douche or rather you become a douche with emotional problems. But if you get angry because YOUR BOY'S GAL IS FUCKING SOMEONE ELSE, the context completely changes. You are a now a GOOD FRIEND WHO'S LOOKING OUT FOR HIS HOMEBOY.

So bottom line, my takeaway from your quality post is IF A GIRL CROSSES THE LINE, it's okay to express how pissed your are.

OH SHIT! Just had an epiphany!

Okay so check this out. This relates to chick's level of intuition.

I cheated on my ex-gf (gf at the time of course). I had this wild sex weekend with this girl I had met off daygame. But, this was also during a period I was having problems with my gf at the time. I had been trying to contact her for maybe a week and everytime we spoke, she was yelling so it wasn't a happy time. So a few weeks later, I actually admitted this to my gf and I'll never forget her words "I wasn't giving you reassurance" Now, this ain't gonna sound manly but at the time, I actually teared up because I realized I was risking losing a gal (who I had proposed to) by being honest but guess what? SHE TELLS ME SHE LOVES ME. This is after I had admitted cheating on her!!

Now fast forward a month later. I see this cute chick in short jean shorts that made a brother thirsty. So I approached her and asked for her number. Got denied but NOTHING HAPPENED. Well, after everything we went through, I was in a mode of pure honesty so admitted this to my gf and she got pissed. She almost broke up over that.

My main point of all this and how it relates to Manwhore's post is that IF A GIRL FUCKS UP AND DOES YOU WRONG, you SHOULD stand up for yourself like a man and if you genuinely feel ANGER, go ahead and let it out (except for physical). In my specific situation, hell, i was able to get away with cheating on her. Because the girl will intuitively know she's wrong and will respect you for calling her out on her shit.

[Manwhore]

Yup Zelcorpion & fucksong that's me. And I have no idea who Little Dark is.

It's world's apart from pua in that this is genuine self-expression not some contrived conversation, and it's based on real-life scenarios not like talking to yourself on your phone while a girl walks up behind you, lol. Not slamming anyone else's methods but I'm trying to get guys to recognize that the ability to show some masculine dominance in a way that makes girls panties wet can be damn simple.

Girls are ALWAYS fucking up, and a lot of the time they do it on purpose to test you. They KNOW they're being douchebags and if this doesn't automatically spark some response from you they lose respect.

As far as your other point Zel, I've got quite a few "tall good looking" friends that have serious relationship issues because they're TOO calm and relaxed with their girlfriends. A bit of anger goes a LONG way in creating a stable balance in a relationship for sure. I remember I fucked up and did something pretty damn dumb, pissed my girlfriend off and she was right so I apologized. Well then she kept going with it, riling herself up and getting hysterical. That's when I had to yell at her and tell her to shut the fuck up. That calmed her down and put a lid on the rising emotions. She needed to know that even though I'd apologized for something, I was still in control she hadn't exposed a chink in my armor.

The main reason I bring this stuff up is because 90% of guys do not know how to express anger effectively and correctly. Most of the time they let things boil up till they SNAP and then go ballistic- and then yes of course this is the "beta tell" as you call it. When a guy learns to be comfortable establishing boundaries and using negative emotional energy to do it oftener and earlier, his fucking life changes, that's all I'm saying.

Fucksong to answer your first point.. YES it is anger. Just holding your ground won't do it many times because they'll still keep pecking at you till they see the emotion behind it. But yes the "skill" here is in making your anger CONSTRUCTIVE, not just reactive.

[RexImperator]

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Girls are ALWAYS fucking up, and a lot of the time they do it on purpose to test you. They KNOW they're being douchebags and if this doesn't automatically spark some response from you they lose respect.

^^^I can relate a lot to this last post and I think it describes accurately how I messed things up with a girl last fall.

I confronted her about some of her BS and she started acting all submissive out-of-the-blue. It was like a 180 degree flip.

But then she said, "You seem angry."

And maybe I was angry out of some pent-up frustration and being given the run-around. I messed up because I was emotional.

It seems that the key might not be "getting angry" so much as enforcing boundaries. But you remain detached and don't get emotional.

I think you are right in that they want you to put them in their place when they act out.

[Tytalus]

Interesting post - problem is that your anger has to be very controlled - if you come across as just losing yoru shit, you've lost frame and then you lose status with her and getting angry does not get her wet.

[Pride male]

Mystery did say women are turned on by a man who is willing to emote. I guess punching the walls and turning over tables is part of that.

I loved the way Tony Soprano would get angry. Sadly, I have the emotional range of a brick wall. I can hardly get angry over anything.

[Geekzor]

(04-05-2015 03:39 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Mystery did say women are turned on by a man who is willing to emote. I guess punching the walls and turning over tables is part of that.

Sadly, I have the emotional range of a brick wall. I can hardly get angry over anything.

That's exactly what I was thinking. For me I can hardly get angry or at least angry to the point of punching walls or physically expressing my anger. I think it all depends on your personality and if you can convey such anger in a way that doesn't set you off as a maniac or at least makes a woman appreciate your dominance.

[AlonzoNites]

Girls love male aggression. They do it to see how big your balls are. Nothing more nothing less. Just dont let them control you with it because then you're just a puppy

[vinman]

Women are psychic vampires. Emotions are their food source. If you want to bring them closer bait the trap with an emotional snack. If you want to see the hamster spin go as cold as a Vulcan. Experiment with various women from time to time as a learning tool. It's a bit manipulative, but it's also very enlightening. The more you know about them the easier it is to do. It's "push/ pull" essentially, but for a deeper understanding of the subject.

[RexImperator]

I'd really like to hear Anonymous Bosch's take on this, as he has good understanding of psychology, but I've read some of those articles on "The Rawness" blog and it does seem that with some aspects of "game" like this, one has to be careful in that you may be "gaming" a women who has psychological issues and feeding her unhealthy need for drama.

[jackflag]

Attractive women arent used to people not being pleased with their general existence. Men 99% of the time either like/desire them, or are apathetic toward them (which contrary to belief, does not make her want you). But when a male human being actively dislikes a hottie for reasons other than being rejected by said hottie, their egos are shaken and wildly confused. Its normally an entirely new, foreign experience for them. And they're both excited by and made uncomfortable by it.

Their brains immediately recognize a glitch in the matrix of the hot girls world, and they'll be compelled to rectify it and restore the status quo. The status quo being them as the object of male interest and desire, instead of deserved disdain.

Anger is a great weapon to use, but only when its called for. Forced or excessive anger is lame and seen as a character flaw. Earned anger, at said woman or anything in general, triggers the primal female response to protector status since angry men are dangerous men, and dangerous men can fend for her. And in response to a cunty chick, it challenges her vanity and ego.

Its happened to me, and it was mindblowing the instant change in her demeanor toward me. These bitches man.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

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Sadly, I have the emotional range of a brick wall. I can hardly get angry over anything.

[CodyB]

My LTR used to get turned on when I would get angry playing Playstation.

I actually ditched those anger issues though because they were horrible for my overall person but it was pretty funny.

I think the attractive part of anger is guys using it as a tool to take control of a situation. (Though I certainly wasn't doing that on the playstation). When someone channels anger into a favourable outcome that is, in evolutionary terms, sexy as fuck.

[Nightwing]

Yes, it strikes fear into their hearts, and turns them on. I wonder what it is that gets them so hot and bothered when a man loses all rationale.

On the other hand, the silent treatment also works the same way, and you don't need to lift a finger, or utter a single word.

Probably, 2-3 hours later, they will cede and beg for forgiveness on their knees for something they have supposedly done, crying their eyes out and saying ''Just talk to me, please! JUST SAY SOMETHING!''.

While you... You on the other hand are too invested in giving the silent treatment, and have probably zoned out from the silence itself.

[Manwhore]

You GOT it.

(04-06-2015 08:59 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

I think the attractive part of anger is guys using it as a tool to take control of a situation. (Though I certainly wasn't doing that on the playstation). When someone channels anger into a favourable outcome that is, in evolutionary terms, sexy as fuck.

[Moma]

(04-07-2015 02:37 AM)Nightwing Wrote:  

Yes, it strikes fear into their hearts, and turns them on. I wonder what it is that gets them so hot and bothered when a man loses all rationale.

On the other hand, the silent treatment also works the same way, and you don't need to lift a finger, or utter a single word.

Probably, 2-3 hours later, they will cede and beg for forgiveness on their knees for something they have supposedly done, crying their eyes out and saying ''Just talk to me, please! JUST SAY SOMETHING!''.

While you... You on the other hand are too invested in giving the silent treatment, and have probably zoned out from the silence itself.

Do you have any granular examples of how you have turned silent treatment into successful bangs? I am more of the silent treatment type of cat personally.

[Manwhore]

Hold on she had some sort of power over you because she said "You seem angry." and that's somehow a weakness on your part? Wtf man. Where does this idea that being emotional is a bad thing?? If a girl does something fucked up I'm going to CORRECT her with a little bit of a verbal sting. She wants to accuse me of being angry? PFF. Fuck yeah I am. I'm gonna give her a piece of my mind I may even spank her ass.

I don't give a shit about some dumb ass John Wayne definition of masculinity that says a dude can't be pissed off. Look honey buns if you piss me off I'm going to tell you. If this is a new chick I understand she may have some misgivings and hesitation at first at hanging out with me or taking off alone with me or something of that nature.. and I'll work with her (game the fucking shit out of her) and give her some leeway.. but if we've been seeing each other and she's pulling off dumb shit she's going to hear about it.

(04-04-2015 10:14 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

I confronted her about some of her BS and she started acting all submissive out-of-the-blue. It was like a 180 degree flip.

But then she said, "You seem angry."

And maybe I was angry out of some pent-up frustration and being given the run-around. I messed up because I was emotional.

It seems that the key might not be "getting angry" so much as enforcing boundaries. But you remain detached and don't get emotional.

I think you are right in that they want you to put them in their place when they act out.

[Manwhore]

But typically a woman should just be trusting your lead, so if you're getting shit from her already then it could be something you got to step up in your game. Women or money, no successful hustler is a lazy bitch.

[Nightwing]

(04-07-2015 05:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 02:37 AM)Nightwing Wrote:  

Yes, it strikes fear into their hearts, and turns them on. I wonder what it is that gets them so hot and bothered when a man loses all rationale.

On the other hand, the silent treatment also works the same way, and you don't need to lift a finger, or utter a single word.

Probably, 2-3 hours later, they will cede and beg for forgiveness on their knees for something they have supposedly done, crying their eyes out and saying ''Just talk to me, please! JUST SAY SOMETHING!''.

While you... You on the other hand are too invested in giving the silent treatment, and have probably zoned out from the silence itself.

Do you have any granular examples of how you have turned silent treatment into successful bangs? I am more of the silent treatment type of cat personally.

I discovered this by accident actually, I didn't even know what I was doing, but from there reproduced it to the tune where I could get much use out of people, not just women. Here is the story, it may not be nice, but listen.

In high school I was msning this girl I liked in my class, we would talk aimlessly, whenever the subject of me liking her would come up, she would just divert it into something else. One day, I heard her sister was a massive slut that would show her pussy in the club, and screw on the dancefloor, and that she got crabs. I don't know what came over me, but I sort lost respect for the girl, who I had thought the world of, even though, it wasn't her who was the slut.

The next day, I ignored her fully when she was talking to me (at the lunch tables, vending machines, water fountains, gym, hallways, playground) in front of teachers, in front of my friends, and her friends, to the point where everyone was asking what was going on between us two. (They thought I had gotten her pregnant, lol) Later, when I was the last one leaving class (because I usually talk to my teachers) she met me at the door, and started crying all over asking me ''Why won't you speak to me, why! Just say something Nightwing!'', and then I looked away and shook my head. She grabbed my shirt and kissed me, and I kissed her, and we met downtown near the water to make love. She then told me she knew I liked her when I went through all the trouble of bringing her a stray animal, she said she acted like she was scared of it but was actually touched someone brought her something.

(For reference, I caught her a stray animal on school grounds, delivered it to her in front of her friends, she pretended the animal was slimy and started laughing, her friends were amazed at how I caught the animal, everyone on the school grounds wanted it, I let it go free.)

Later on, after we became an item, she would nonsensically remind me of how I caught the animal, she wouldn't stop, like a broken record, in front my friends, and her friends... She would then bring me signed objects by my favorite athlete who lived right next to her house.

Later she tried to coax me into going to uni with her, I didn't, but she kept reporting her grades to me, until I eventually blocked her. She didn't look as good after senior year. 3,5 year relationship.

Later on, I dated her arch nemesis, who was never as pretty, but got the edge after high school because she grew from a 6 to a 7, where my girl regressed from a 8 to a 6. Nemesis would tell me my previous girl was all fake, so obviously I wouldn't rekindle what we had. I also blocked this girl, because she kept bringing up the other girl.

Anyways, I figured the silent treatment would work, not only in the dating spheres. I remember I tried to get this girl to take my shifts because I took her for an exam last week, but was told she was 'busy'.
I ignored her, but treated everyone politely at work, until when she was wiping down the counter she exclaimed: ''OKAY! I'll take your shifts!!'' I was surprised, it was said with the enthusiasm of a eureka moment, just out of nowhere, when I was in the back tinkering with machines. The girl got so worked up about it. It seems this silence builds mental pressure. I grew not to be a pushover because of it. I also had a scowl whenever I looked at her.

Of course, you have to have a history with the girl to be able to manipulate her with silence. If you just go ignoring random girls, they will think you are a jerk, and will reciprocate with said silence.

[RIslander]

(04-04-2015 07:40 AM)Manwhore Wrote:  

One time I had this girl over at my house and she was annoying the FUCK out of me. I get pissed at her, grab her purse and tell her to walk out with me onto the landing of my 2nd floor apartment. She steps out and I walk back in, shut the sliding glass door and close the curtain in her face. The look on her face will be forever frozen in my memory haha. Anyway she sends me a bunch of texts which I ignore till the next day- they start off pretty pissy but by the middle of the day she's apologizing and wanting to come back. I don't let her till a couple days later and then tell her to bring me a rotisserie chicken from the deli and a six-pack of beer. While I eat the chicken I make her suck my dick.