[Pride male]

A man is only as faithful as his options.

[Fortis]

Hmm, I would say everyman is actually made to be a player, but society usually restrained destructive, unrestrained sexuality though religion, law and other ways. Now, however, male sexuality is restrained while female sexuality is losing it's chains.

[PhDre]

(08-10-2015 04:28 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Lately I've been thinking a lot about this.

Not everyone can be a player (and thankfully so) because doing so still requires a certain degree of coldheartedness.

Its all very easy for us in the beginning when we are mostly dealing with whores/sluts and flaky girls to be very goal oriented without emotion involved. "She's just one of those fucked up girl, I couldnt care less if she trips and falls down the sewers"

But eventually down the road, once you've got good enough, your quality increases exponentially. Enventually you found a girl that ticks all the boxes you need (beautiful, feminine, caring, well-raised, devoted to you) and you lock her down.

Everything is great and rosy, until you decided that for one reason or another, you gotta go. And she has done nothing wrong to you, it has absolutely none of her fault. In fact she has done all she can and more to keep you around.

Can you truly walk away from that without feeling a tingle of pain?

A player doesn't care. He sneaks out of the bedroom before the girl wakes up. He goes ghost on his LTR all of a sudden. He just keeps going with that nonchalant aura because the game is everything to him, not the women.

I cant do that yet. I cant just leave a good girl knowing that it will certainly break her heart. Im disgusted enough with all the damaged women in the world, I dont need to add one more of my own making to that pool.

And thats not just LTR. I found out Im just not the type who can go ghost on a girl who has been treating me well.

Of course, we will tell ourselves "she might just be good to you now, but wait until xyz and she will show your claws to you" and that might just be true, and it helps you keep going without looking back.

But most of the time you just dont know. What you do know is that you left her worse than when you found her.

I guess its just another roadmark in the Path of the player, and this too we will cross eventually.

I think that two things are necessary to create a real player: 1) a very high sex drive and 2) a certain degree of coldheartedness or sociopathy as you pointed out.

Indeed the true player only seems to care about the game. He gets his greatest thrill and pleasure from seducing and conquering a new girl, not from the feeling of her tight pussy around his dick (although I hope for him he enjoys that as well), nor from her soft supple skin against his’ or her sweet words while she is still infatuated with him.

(Players, these are just my observations. Feel free to correct them.)

But we should not blame them for damaging or emotionally hurting women. Women hurt most men who show interest in them and they definitely don’t care about it.

In the end, the “player or not” dilemma is a choice that every red pill aware man has to face.
We understand that women are not the sweet angels we were told, but rather hypergamous disloyal whores who don’t give a fuck about our needs and emotions.
We understand that pussy doesn’t get wet for nice, sweet, responsible guys, but rather for confident, arrogant, aggressive, independent men.

How do we cope with this reality?
Until 30-40 years ago the answer was very clear: marriage and kids was the tried path that worked for your parents, and for their parents, and so on…
Now this has become an existential question.

Sometimes I envy the bluepillers who never faced this question.
But then I see how fat and bitchy their wife has become, how ungrateful their kids are and how they hate their cubicle job that they cannot quit because of their mortgage and children…

[Tengen]

(08-10-2015 02:46 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(08-10-2015 01:04 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Basically just this. The System creates the players, the sluts, the losers, and the cat ladies, and no individual man can change the system. Play the game or take the plane.

[ChickenLover9T9]

(04-03-2015 03:27 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

The game is hard. Attrition rate is astronomically high. Lots of guys go into game and quit as soon as they realize how hard it actually is. Or try locking down the first 7 they see.

However, I would not consider these guys as having game. They might not be the dumbest of the crowd, but thats far from having game.

Once you have game and has seen enough, you realize that relationships are not meant to last. At least, not in the sense that your girl will be faithful to you while still giving you a certain degree of freedom. And a lot of the time, they are not meant to last because you yourself want to game on the side.

That and you see the fickle, feeble nature of women. They can be pleasant to be around, but eventually they are all replaceable. You will go through phases when you consider one girl more special than all the others, but eventually you will leave her or vice versa without even a backward glance.

If there’s one constant in girls, it is change. They say they love you the night, hate you the morning and why you dont call them three days after. They might worship you while you are still together but once the rosy glass is shattered they can be more vicious than an attack dog.

They are hypergamous. No matter how well you lock her down, a game-aware man knows that all it takes is for a random guy to show up at the right place at the right time, and for you to say the wrong thing at the wrong place wrong time, for her to jump on another cock and ride it like there’s no tomorrow.

Game has never allowed us to control the outcome. They just make us outcome independent, and that coincides with better results.

How can a true redpill man ever settle down knowing all that facts ?

But most men settle. Some have seen the truth but would rather bear it than fight it. Thats how slavery worked.

Some are weak. They get old, vulnerable, or gamed by women. Fucking hypocrite Mark Minter.

And some eventually just get tired. They put in the work but eventually realize the payoffs are not worth it. We try to tell people to keep going on this forum, but for everyone who made it like Gio there are thousands who will just not make it. Those who want to stay in the game fight everyday to not give in.

Great post. I think most men in the anglosphere settle into monogamy because the stable GF is a source of regular sex and feelings of love, without all the efforts/pain/games of actually having to approach a fresh girl and try and initiate sex. Even if the guy does succeed in a ONS scenario, he's often not likely to see that girl again, and it can seem like a lot of work for too little payoff.

Sure, girls as you mentioned no matter how well kept can cheat, but cheating can be rare if a girl is bonded very strongly to you. Sex with these girls can be amazing and they are glad to serve you, it makes them genuinely happy and turned on to see that they are making you feel the same. Compare that to a lot of ONS which are often fumbling, impersonal and quick. If you have a long-term GF you can just relax and take your time, even though relationships come with a lot of bullshit as well like meeting her family and friends, her being really stupid sometimes, and the emotional risks of getting to close to a chick etc. But even this is a much lesser of the two evils so most men would choose serial monogamy over constant attempts to have multiple ONS.

The best guys who seem to succeed are naturals of lower intellect or men of very high intelligence with some sort of neurosis that drives them to succeed no matter what the cost.

[birthday cat]

(04-03-2015 03:27 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

They might worship you while you are still together but once the rosy glass is shattered they can be more vicious than an attack dog.

This is one reason I had to start learning game. I don't know if I'll ever understand it but once women get to a certain point they lose all self control and ruthlessly attack. It's a reflex for them. They can't control it. Men need to be able to go into "no contact" mode and cut them off immediately. I think the key to being able to do that is knowing you have the ability to quickly create more options.

(04-02-2015 10:14 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  

It would behoove all men to come to the awareness that you still need a player's foundation, whether or not you will be a player for your entire life or just a small part of it.

This is the primary reason I had to start learning game. I never thought I would want kids but I hit my 30s and realized that I might want them eventually even though it will be many years from now. Western culture isn't setup for us to do this successfully. We are continuously moving towards a culture where having a happy family and successfully raising kids will require a man to have the knowledge of women that comes from being a 100+ notch count player, or finding a foreign wife from a small town who doesn't have a facebook account, or a some combination of these two things.

[Soyouz]

Even if a man wants to settle down, and go for LTR, he should always keep his game sharp.

Keeping your game sharp, continuing to self-improve, being good with woman will make you more confident, and your girlfriend will feel more attached to you.

It will also be easier to bounce back if you break up.

[Mentavious]

(08-10-2015 09:52 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

A man is only as faithful as his options.

It's what I live by

[ordinaryleastsquared]

(08-11-2015 07:42 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

(08-10-2015 09:52 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

A man is only as faithful as his options.

It's what I live by

A lot of guys don't know what their options are however.

[rungoodinc]

I look at this whole dilemma with a business metaphor.

Being a player is like building a start-up. The goal is to bring value and build yourself up until you receive a valuation that sets you up for life. Once you get a good offer, you cash out. I've been doing this long enough to know a good deal when I see one, but I am likely to wait until my business has matured (early to mid or late 30s) and fully developed before selling. However, if you wait too long you may miss out on a good deal.

I don't really get the guys who want to be "players for life." You're probably gonna wanna get married at some point so, from a rational perspective, you should get married when your SMV is at its peak.

The guys who have banged hundreds and hundreds of girls are usually very jaded and unhappy in general. Although it is usually the lesser of two evils, being a player isn't all it's cracked up to be and a lot of times the reason guys like us wanna be players is only because it makes us feel cool. At the end of the day it's important to be happy and certain parts of the player lifestyle are not too conducive to this.

Maybe I'm just spoiled because most of the women I've dated were FOB East Asians who are still very feminine and worth the effort.

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They are hypergamous. No matter how well you lock her down, a game-aware man knows that all it takes is for a random guy to show up at the right place at the right time, and for you to say the wrong thing at the wrong place wrong time, for her to jump on another cock and ride it like there’s no tomorrow.

While there's obviously truth to this statement it just seems a bit over-the-top to me. If your game and frame control are on point, the chances of this happening are pretty low. Another reason to learn game.

When I find a girl who is worth the effort, I will treat her as innocent until proven guilty instead of the other way around. Life's too short to always be looking over your shoulder.

I could find that girl tomorrow, or a decade later. Only time will tell.

[General Stalin]

(04-03-2015 03:27 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

The game is hard. Attrition rate is astronomically high. Lots of guys go into game and quit as soon as they realize how hard it actually is. Or try locking down the first 7 they see.

However, I would not consider these guys as having game. They might not be the dumbest of the crowd, but thats far from having game.

Once you have game and has seen enough, you realize that relationships are not meant to last. At least, not in the sense that your girl will be faithful to you while still giving you a certain degree of freedom. And a lot of the time, they are not meant to last because you yourself want to game on the side.

That and you see the fickle, feeble nature of women. They can be pleasant to be around, but eventually they are all replaceable. You will go through phases when you consider one girl more special than all the others, but eventually you will leave her or vice versa without even a backward glance.

If there’s one constant in girls, it is change. They say they love you the night, hate you the morning and why you dont call them three days after. They might worship you while you are still together but once the rosy glass is shattered they can be more vicious than an attack dog.

They are hypergamous. No matter how well you lock her down, a game-aware man knows that all it takes is for a random guy to show up at the right place at the right time, and for you to say the wrong thing at the wrong place wrong time, for her to jump on another cock and ride it like there’s no tomorrow.

Game has never allowed us to control the outcome. They just make us outcome independent, and that coincides with better results.

How can a true redpill man ever settle down knowing all that facts ?

But most men settle. Some have seen the truth but would rather bear it than fight it. Thats how slavery worked.

Some are weak. They get old, vulnerable, or gamed by women. Fucking hypocrite Mark Minter.

And some eventually just get tired. They put in the work but eventually realize the payoffs are not worth it. We try to tell people to keep going on this forum, but for everyone who made it like Gio (he’s like the slumdog billionaire version of game) there are thousands who will just not make it. Those who want to stay in the game fight everyday to not give in.

Bolded quote is money.

[Cattle Rustler]

I hate it when I'm having a good time with a bitch because the thought of "this will not last forever" is always in my head and takes the joy of the moment away.


It's like I'm having a good time, I get reminded, and start thinking "when is it going to end ?" Which changes my attitude and creates a downward spiral

This one girl told me to just enjoy the moment while it last.

[Nascimento]

CR that is something I deal with rather often as well. Especially when I'm abroad.

It sucks, but it's a reminder that pleasure is fleeting.

I try to make a note of the qualities in the girl that made me really fond of her, so I can look for those same qualities in future girls.

Yeah, enjoy the moment for what it is. Don't be down about it, because you're just creating fond memories for yourself down the road.