Quote: (03-29-2015 01:12 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:
This is a fascinating argument for which I would love to have more definitive information.
Although I don't claim to have all the answers in the nature vs nurture argument here is a real life anecdote in my own family.
My older sister has 4 kids, all grown now. Ages 32 (girl), 30 (boy)and a pair of twins that are 20 (girl & boy).
The two oldest are her biological children, while the twins were both adopted at birth. The mother of the twins, was bi-polar and had a history of drug addiction and the father had developmental delays as well.
Even though all of the kids had access to the same education, income, and socio-economical advantages, there was a marked difference in how they arrived at their current position in life. The two older siblings both moved out of the home, attended college, and are gainfully employed with the oldest girl even starting a family and now happily married.
Unfortunately, the younger two haven't faired as well to this point. The girl is a HS drop-out mom 3 times over starting at the tender age of 15, and the boy twin also a HS dropout, is now prisoner # 940563 in the state penitentiary. Even with having similar upbringings, and positive modeling in their older siblings the younger set didn't seemed to follow the social cues that were in place for them.
The only variable where we could reasonably point towards failed parenting would be that my sister and her husband were divorced when the twins were two yrs old. The boy eventually went to live with the adopted dad, and the girl with my sister giving both arguments some credence.
Very interesting. Twins make great study subjects for this kind of stuff.
Once again I am not familiar with the parenting "expert" referenced above nor your situation but let me offer a few suggestions.
1. She also sounds like she is coming from the far left liberal it takes a village type of parenting which is a big mistake.
2. In your sisters case the kids are from a very different background and many bad things could have happened to them in the womb. And not to disparage your sister but parents do play favorites. Even among their own kids. I have found myself doing it with my own kids at times. A very real lesson into always being present and observing yourself.
3. Finally your sisters expectations can be different for them since their background was more troubled.
I have seen very very troubled children go from a completely dead end awful background be adopted by loving disciplined caring parents and watched them turn their lives around. Certainly not easy but happens every day. This is pure parenting. I also believe in the efficacy of changing our destiny and our future. The idea that our mind and our soul are malleable and changeable with enough will and fortitude.
In fact it is that belief that allowed me at an advanced age (52) to move away from my blue pill upbringing into the red pill world. I would suggest to all of you that non of us would be here if not for the ability to learn long after we have left those critical malleable childhood years.
What is the purpose of the manosphere other than to change a track that we have been on that is wrong and move our lives to a direction that we want it to go?
This is an absolutely critical question and is not addressed at a fundamental level here or anywhere that I have seen. But everything that is happening in our society the decay, the moral decline, the failure of our system from within, even the rise of feminism was predicted fifty years before the book the Game. I will say it did not see radical feminism as the vehicle but that is only a detail. The decline was going to come one way or another.
The root to everything in human action is the human brain and the brain is fundamentally controlled by a script that tells it how to operate. This cannot be avoided or hidden from it can only be played out. That script tells us how to talk how to react to our environment, how to build our own future, and most importantly how to think. That script is the dominant philosophy of our time. People do not take philosophy seriously because it has been bastardized and distorted so deeply by the keepers of the keys our intelligentsia. But it is there and it is like an operating system that is loaded by default. It may be a bad operating system but there has to be one otherwise the system does not function.
It can be a pro living pro happiness one or it can be a anti life misery based one. I believe this researcher is just another brick in the wall of this negative anti life philosophy.