[HonantheBarbarian]

TL;DR
-Meet hot 8 in class
-She comes to my house
-Go for heavy makeout, get rejected
-Fast forward one semeter, we have the same class again but the vibe is gone
-She brings her friend from another class and they spend the majority of the time whispering about me and then looking over at my table
-Being talked shit on, or do I still have some pull with this broad/her friend?


Since starting to read this forum, a heavy majority of my last few bangs came from the classroom environment. (This is an issue in itself I need to address, too much convenience game can make you fat and complacent). I guess I like to capitalize here because most of the guys in class are very beta and I feel like its easy for me to project high value without really trying. Ive also been in this particular program for a long time, so I have a lot of rapport with all the instructors and fellow students which further helps to boost my social proof and value to potential new prospects.

Last semester there was a very attractive girl present in my class, a hard 8. I made sure to immediately sit next to her and start engaging her. She had a bf whom she would mention a LOT but her body language and actions suggested she was at least attracted to me. I could tell she was pandered to a lot in her life because she was loving my asshole game on a level that I hadn't really experienced. Id honestly never had it work so well on a chick before. She must have called me a jerk and an asshole over 100 times with a coy smile on her face, playfully punching and poking me. Since this was technically a social circle situation, I went as bold as I could without poisoning the well to the other chicks in class.

So one day she needed this really important piece of equipment for the class which I just happened to have at my house. She invited herself over by saying "I guess were going to your house after this". I said "sure", but I was actually pretty caught off guard. My logistics were the worst they could possibly be; my mom and my sister were not only home, but they were busy milling about the house doing their cleaning/woman work. My room was a fucking mess and I hadn't had a chance to clean or organize it. I'm talking jizz stains on my blankets from boning my main chick the night before, baby oil bottle just chillin on the floor on its side. Boxers and a t shirt strewn about. That kind of messy. I was absolutely not expecting to have a 8+ there at 11am.

So she comes over, and although she had to be at work in like 25 mins, I decide to use the same routine I had success with before. I usually take them through my studio and show them all my work, then take them into my room and show a few more pieces on the wall by my bed, followed by the make out and transition to the bed. But I fucked up a few key points. I took her upstairs but didn't make her take her shoes off. I went to my bedroom to get her tablet FIRST before showing her the studio. Looking back I can tell she wanted me to escalate when I had her in my room, but I was so unprepared/uncomfortable with the mess that I just wanted to get her out of there and into the next room asap.

So I tell her we should smoke some pot outside before she goes (trying to get her away from my cockblocking family members). I guess my line of logic was that I would get her at least physically invested and go for the kill during a more logistically favorable time when she didn't have to leave so soon. I already realize the error of this.

Outside we smoke for a while, I get her high and when the conversation hit a lull I stepped in and went for the makeout. I felt her "wilt" and start breathing heavy, the way girls do when their excited but she wouldn't reciprocate. She was like "what are you doing" in a feminine voice and I just looked into her eyes and tried again but she wouldn't return my kisses. She was just standing there sort of wilting. She kept saying "Honan... I can't.. I can't..." I tried again and then she was like "I have to go to work, walk me to my car". I told her to tell them something came up and that shes taking a sick day. She said she couldn't do that. I took her to her car and it didn't even occur to me to get her number.

On monday when it was class again, I decided to act exactly how I did prior to the failed makeout. I should have been nicer and transitioned to more comfort building but I just kept being an asshole. This sealed the deal and she dried up like the sahara. Not only was she not smiling and laughing at my jokes anymore, but she developed a passive-agressive borderline bitchy attitude with me. She also started being a lot nicer to every guy in the class EXCEPT for me. I couldn't help but be disappointed. This would have been my first genuine hard 8 after a long series of 6.5-7.5's and one of my most quality notches at least physically. Regardless, I nexted her in my mind, and did small things to reinforce my value and hand, like have one of my plates from another class come by our table to check out my work in progress while I flirted with her sexually in front of the 8.

Fast forward to the current semester, shes in my class again. I engage her on a classroom/conversational level, just so I don't appear butthurt. But im not trying to ressurect the lead in any way, I get that I had a window and it closed. No disillusionment/oneitis here But heres what I don't understand. One of her female friends came by the class to visit her and they spent a good 40 mins at their table talking and they would constantly glance over at me with this coy look. Especially the new chick. I was obviously being sized up and played it cool and acted like I didn't notice.


Im sure I fucked this lead up beyond repair, and im alright with that. However I wouldn't be opposed to using this as information for the next 8 I come across, and hopefully escalate much more masterfully with. Or if this is an indicator that maybe she still has a few latent tingles for the Honan id be ok with that too. She gave every indication that she was over me, but then spent the whole class glancing in my direction with the new chick. What should I make of this guys?


Key takeaways

-Too much asshole game is overgaming. Even with girls that prefer it over other styles of game
-If I went for the bang in my room asap, my chances for closing the deal were drastically improved
-She would have probably still boned me with my mom and sis cleaning the house. I shouldn't have decided for her. Situation just felt awkward
-This could have been way worse, she could have ruined my rep and labeled me a "creep" if I pushed her buttons hard enough once she started getting bitchy; I need to tread more carefully with these classroom broads. It really is a fine line between bold enough/too far inside the classroom
-ALWAYS BE READY, ALWAYS BE CLOSING. I wasn't either and I payed for it dearly. It can happen at 11am on a tuesday

[CJ_W]

(03-20-2015 05:44 PM)HonantheBarbarian Wrote:  

TL;DR
-Meet hot 8 in class
-She comes to my house
-Go for heavy makeout, get rejected
-Fast forward one semeter, we have the same class again but the vibe is gone [Stop sweatin' the bitch please]
-She brings her friend from another class and they spend the majority of the time whispering about me and then looking over at my table. [Having stanky draws on the floor at your spot will do that for ya]
-Being talked shit on, or do I still have some pull with this broad/her friend?[Of course not, now her Friend thinks you stank, and thinks you a bitch, you better hope she aint super popular]

Since this is in the newbie section, I'll help you out.

Oh I didn't read the long part of your post, the TL : DR helped out and told me all I need to know to answer.


-Go for heavy makeout, get rejected

When you get resistance, you pull back for a bit, talk about something else, then escalate again, do this over and over until you either:

A) get the bang

B)She says "NO" like a REAL NO, and attempts to leave in which you let her.

C) There is no c, if you ran into B, you don't contact her again, you call your other girls that you got on rotation(you're talking to other girls right) and just ignore the other one, I don't mean ignore like "I'm IGNORING YOU" all obvious an shit. . .its just gotta be like, you don't care (because you shouldn't if you've got game and you've got countless other women you're steppin' to)

What she does afterwards is of no consequence to you unless she's trying to come over for you to bang.

All women talk shit about every man they meet whenever they get a chance, you're just gonna have to get over that.

You should NOT be sweatin' this hoe over a WHOLE SEMESTER, leave that bitch alone, it's her fault for not taking what you had when she had the chance, you should have banged like 3-4 women by that time, and be seeing at least two of them regularly.

Do NOT talk to this girl, DO NOT talk to her friends, FIND OTHER WOMEN.

Honestly, this girl probably thought you were a punk ass bitch and told her friend that too, so even if you ignored the above advice and went all "Legendary Thirst" on this ho(the "friend") she'd probably still think you were a punk ass bitch, and diss you. You ain't got time for that.

you should be talking to like 2-3 girls a day if you're in college, its EASY to meet women in college. Get to work!

Edit: skimmed through the post for two seconds and read that your pad was fucked up.

Don't do that, women don't want to fuck on week old cum stains. you should ALWAYS have your pad clean ESPECIALLY while you're in college, its so easy to meet girls that you could bring over a girl everyday if you wanted to, give her a few drinks, put a movie on, and escalate. She most likely smelled the P.A.B (Punk ass bitch, simp, blue pill, beta etc.) on you + your pad being like shit turned her off, and she told her friend. I would be embarrassed, I mean what if I had my dirty draws all over the place and I brought a bitch home and she started tellin' her friends? She smelled the desperation AND your shit stained draws. CLEAN YO SHIT UP!

P.S.
Also you said you have a main bitch, but it don't sound like you do. Or else you wouldn't be sweating this bitch and her friends so hard (One whole semester? please.)

P.P.S I usually don't talk like this but I get in that mood sometimes and have to keep it real for a minute. I'm sure other black folks that grew up in not so great areas can attest.

[kaotic]

Forget about her, keep it cool if she's around, do your own thing, you blew it with her when you had a chance, you just weren't ready to game her.

Keep approaching and gaming other girls.

[HonantheBarbarian]

Yeah you guys are right, I just wasnt ready for this one. I have to keep it real I don't have anywhere near the experience level of some the players on here. But hey everybody has to start somehwere right?

I'm not gonna sweat this bitch anymore, go back to the basics with a 10 approach a day challenge until I get myself where I want to be. Thanks for the tough love gut check. I've been complacent and should not be sweating one girl in my class for this long. I guess the fact that I gotta sit next to the bitch doesn't help. But no excuses.

[Euphoric_Breeze]

Major mistake you made is putting her on pedestal ; although she's your first 8 always be one step ahead .

This had a tremendous impact on your interaction with her . Girls can smell desperation and intimidation reeking from 10 miles away .
The reason she's not laughing at your asshole game is because she found out it was fake .
Most importantly don't act all butthurt when you go back to class . Just keep things casual and ignore her .
ABMO : Always be moving on , plenty of easy girls out there.

[Disco_Volante]

Girls pull this shit all the time.

Even if it's not a mean rejection, almost playful and she's still on good terms with you.
They can't help but to spread the word and tell their friends about how you hit on them. It's a method of attention whoring and trying to humiliate you.

I had a girl reject me then I saw her go tell her ugly friend about how I was hitting on her. In a way shes bragging about it, in a way she is humiliating you.