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03-04-2015, 03:42 AM
I'm new to this thread only spent the past couple nights browsing. I'm fairly familiar with ROK, red pill world (still not sure on belief system), and the PUA world/lingo. I'm a 23 year old male, fairly attractive and in good shape. To be completely honest I never had to learn game and constantly relied on my physical appearance and social status (college and HS) to attract girls. Because of this I never managed high quality girls, only slutty 6-7s. Moved to a big city last year and it's been a wake up call. I've been making some major changes to create a positive ecosystem for myself.
Of this year I am:
- sober
- trying not to watch porn (3x in past month)
- not smoking cigs
- started a Transcendental Meditation practice of which I'm on day 4
- reading at least 30 min everyday
- maintaining healthy diet/workout
I have now realized that no amount of manosphere reading material will do the trick and only serious action will invoke the change that I am looking for.
Currently I:
-put women on a pedestal
-have difficulty holding frame
-have BRUTAL text game: appearing available, needy, desperate (probably the vibe I give off in person too)
-suffer from severe AA and PA as a direct result of my 6 month dry spell.
Now I am looking for advice, but I am also making this threat to hold myself accountable. I will be making 30 cold approaches with a recap here. I already have a lunch set up with a hard 6.5 I met a couple weeks ago, wasn't that attracted to, but grabbed her number due to the amount of IOI's. Figured I might as well try and crack this dry spell. Any help is appreciated and I hope you enjoy my recaps.
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03-04-2015, 02:27 PM
There is no leveling up in pickup and with any plan you should be willing to adapt and change.
-Talk to strangers regularly just to break out of your approach problems
-dont fear rejection, a girls only going to reject you if shes not available
-make decisive decisions and take action
Having courage and being persistent is what will make you successful not only with women but in all areas of your life.
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03-05-2015, 01:11 PM
Chick flaked on lunch date. set up a time for 3:00 she texted me saying she had to run an errand and then contacted me at 4:30 to meet up. I nexted her....
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03-05-2015, 01:23 PM
You're nowhere near 30 - but good to see you're trying to make changes.
I'm 29 for reference.
Goal for 2015/2016: Try to go to South America at least once. Go with a friend, go with a group. Challenge yourself. I went to Medellin earlier this year, and my biggest regret is not going earlier in my 20s.
Whether or not this helps you with your game/gets you laid is another story- but I don't think you will regret it either way. Spend the time, learn Spanish (or Portugese/Brazil), and get out there. Or go to Europe (parts). Point is, there is a whole world out there - and every single man needs to experience life OUTSIDE OF NORTH AMERICA.
It's a terrible quote, but trips and vacations are the only things that cost money which leave you richer when you're done.
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03-06-2015, 01:23 AM
OP, I think this is a great thread and I applaud you for it.
Something to keep in mind: There is a book called the Power of Habit. In it, the point the author makes is that one small change will resonate if you can truly make it a habit. A habit will influence all types of action in our lives.
It is too hard to make huge changes in our lives and be consistent with them over time. I think committing to making approaches is the perfect remedy to dealing with many of the problems you face with being in a new big city and a long dry spell behind you.
My advice: don't even worry about anything else. The working out, the masturbating, the meditation, etc. (unless you already really like these things, and aren't doing them to try and make a "new" you). I say let these things slide.
But absolutely commit to the approaches. just that.
If you can keep that habit, everything else will slide into place when you are ready, and probably without even noticing. You'll want to do the things that will make your approaches more successful. Maybe you'll join a toastmasters club to improve your public speaking ability. Who knows what changes you'll make.
Focus on building everything around one new habit, and everything will come in its own time - including beating your dry spell.
Don't focus on beating your dry spell, or masturbating. Focus on your ONE new habit.
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03-06-2015, 01:51 PM
Don't know if texting a new chick about where she does yoga with the assumption you will show up is the best idea.
If you were already a member it is different.
Now she can think, what if this guy tries to match his classes with mine, I don't even know him.
You want to invite a girl into your world, not break into hers. If you try to bang her the social circle / hobbies way then be king of that social circle or hobby compared to her even if that social group is small you want to be the leader or that hobby you want more skill than her.
A perfect recipe for disaster is going on a first date with a chick that involves her social circle doing an activity she is better at than you.
She then will most likely dominate socially and in skill. This will not get you pussy. You always need to dominate the interactions with women early on in every way imaginable.
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03-07-2015, 10:15 PM
Okay so I made 3 new approaches today. I wanna reiterate that all these approaches are during the day
1st approach
short tan brunette hard 7
she was standing outside working for a non-profit preaching about the environment or some shit. There were about 3 girls all doing the same and this one was the cutest. As I'm walking up I see she is clearly gonna approach me (for her job) so when I get close I put my hand up over my face and my head down like I didn't want her to see/approach me. She got a little chuckle and I popped up and started chatting with her. She was kinda a hippy chick so our convo was light and easy. I dropped some of DHV/story points. I worked on an organic farm in Hawaii and lived in Panama for 3 months. I knew i had to turn the conversation, I looked her straight in the eye, told her she was cute, and then asked about her tattoo. She scratched her face (IOI??) and i gave her an FTC saying I have to go meet my buddy. I asked for her number...she said she never gives out her number while on the job. Now from you guys I learned to push every interaction to the limit. I straight up told her that was stupid (in a playful way) and said okay I'm gonna take your number, text you in a few days, and if you don't respond I'll delete it. She paused for a second and took my phone from me. NUMBER CLOSE. Proud I stayed in frame. Should I wait 2-3 days and then hit her up??? I feel the roughest part of my game is going to be post number escalating to the date and to the bang. That is where I'll need a serious renaissance
2nd approach.
I was walking by Starbucks and saw a blonde hanging by herself. Walked into starbucks but right as I walked in she got up, walked past me and exited. Normally I woulda said fuck it but I followed her out the door with an "excuse me." She turned and I told her she was cute/I wanted to introduce myself. This girl looked terrified, like really uncomfortable like I said something crazy vulgar. We shook hands exchanged names. I asked her a couple questions. Probably a little too interview style. She said she was an accountant, hated the city we were in, and was going to go get her nails done...her idea of fun. Red flag on red flag, not as cute as I thought and terrible energy. I wished her a good day and carried on my way.
3rd approach (if you could call it that)
In line at target, adorable girl in the check out in front of me I watched her turn and we made eye contact. Couldn't decide what to say so I took a look at her items. I saw a candle and asked her what scent that candle was to which she rudely replied, "which one?" There was two...terrible opener, cashier starting scanning her items, her body language closed off and I didn't escalate further.
All in all, a decent afternoon
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03-10-2015, 05:04 PM
Okay so I had some time off work today and hopped over to a nearby mall to make some approaches. It was a poor outing. First of all the mall was relatively empty and I saw girls in pairs and LOTS of young mothers. There were a couple cute single girl around that I let pass...coming from a place of fear I had excuses: they were on the other side of the walkway, girl was glued to her Iphone, had headphones in, too many people around. I did make one approach with a girl who worked there.
Approach #5-Black girl working at a kiosk. 6.5
I'm currently in the middle of reading Day Bang (should probably finish it before I dedicate time to solo day approaches). I walked up and asked her if she knew where a pet store around here was. She said not in the mall, but in the area. I then tried to lay some small bait dropping that I'm new to the area, looking for a collar for my roommates dog. She plainly told me the intersection of the store. I lost frame for a second and asked her quickly about the cookies she was selling before aborting. Didn't know how to turn the conversation around. Felt like a very unnatural interaction. Not sure how I feel about indirect approaching, but I have to give it a more of a chance than a single approach. It seems that direct leaves more room for connection, playfulness, etc. What are your guys thoughts on indirect vs. direct?? I know Day Bang says always go indirect with an elderly opener. Strange concept haha. The W of the day is that I'm beginning to take on the mentality of progress not perfection. It's all a learning experience and I should treat it as an ART. Leave the results away and take it as a learning experience. A rejection is feedback....Back it it tomorrow
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03-12-2015, 12:30 PM
Made an approach in a coffee shop yesterday
Approach #5
Sat down at a coffee shop- cute girl across the way- I wanted to give it some time before my approach so I didn't immediately come in, approach, and then pack my stuff up to leave. 30 minutes into doing my work I noticed she was getting ready to leave. I packed my stuff up and headed out to the parking lot. When she walked out I asked her about the book that was sitting on her table. It was Jack London book and I then rambled on about how I read 4-5 books at once, I'm currently reading biographies for my career etc etc. Dropping bait. She didnt bite on anything. This is where I lost frame and told her she was cute. No bueno. It was clear she was foreign and I asked her where she was from- Kazakhstan. I jumped into the rest of GALNUC and by the number close she said thanks for the approach, but I'm not interested.
I still struggle with elderly opener and the ramble. I want to revert back to my go-to technique which has gotten me numbers in the past but no dates. Where are you from? What do you do? I thought you were cute, yahda yahda yahda. Girls get this every day...
Oh well- Stats thus far: 6 approaches and 2 numbers- 1 no response, 1 tbd
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03-13-2015, 01:04 PM
Nice thread, keep it up!
+1 rep from me, I like this kind of journal.
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03-13-2015, 06:10 PM
So no approaches today, but I did hear back from my 2 numbers. 1 chick responded (2nd approach) after a restart text, one I got from Travesty: "Hey its Mo the handsome devil you met Saturday. Playing hard to get huh? Write me." She responded and said that she was gay and that's why she was so hesitant to give me my number cuz she didn't know my intentions. WTF haha next
1st approach and 1st number I got (yoga girl attractive asian). DATE set up tonight....we will see. This part of my game that needs serious work, I don't drink so I havn't even decided where I'm gonna take this broad. Shes the hottest of the 6 I've approached thus far. All I know is to be playful, stay away from interview, escalate kino, and push the interaction as far as it will go.
It's cool what a little effort and courage to jump into the unknown will do for you and I'm just getting started. That being said I've only approached 6 girls in 9 days. This number needs to jump WAY up. I'm realizing it's a number game.
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03-14-2015, 01:21 PM
So I ran into some interesting things last night on my date with this Asian broad (27 yr/hard 7). I'll break this up into three sections. Pre-dinner/walking, dinner, her pad.
Picked her up in my car, parked, and walked around town for 15-20 minutes. Light touching on her shoulder/arm. Made fun of her and gave her a big bear hug. Working on physically being more aggressive/dominant. I led the way around town acting like I'd been here before when in reality I had no idea where I was taking her. Noticed other guys blatantly checking her out.
Stopped in for some food and this is where the conversation turned slightly interview. Simply put this girl was super shy. Nice girl but uninteresting. Not particularly my type, my head and my dick were telling me two different things the more the interaction continued the less attracted I became. When the check came she pulled out her debit card and I (like the beta, gentlemen I'm working on severing from) told her to put it away and payed for the meal. Do you guys make chicks pay for your dinner? I like how American women are all into this feminist shit and then still want to be treated like a "lady" and have you pay for their meal. Contrary right? Hahah I told her next time we hang out she's buying.
After we left she wanted to walk around some more so we walked a little bit and I intentionally looped it around back to my car with the intention of going back to her pad. When we rolled up to my car she asked what we were doing and I said "going back to your house, lets go watch tv or something" She kept making excuses like ehh my TV sucks what are we gonna do there blah blah blah. I told her we'll figure it out and just kept driving. We got to her crib, she gave me the tour, I sat her down on the couch and started the make out. Girl was too shy, no passion, I pushed her down horizontal and tried to escalate further. When I started taking off her shirt she stopped me and said "I'm not that type of girl" I literally laughed in her face. It reminded me of a ROK post I read just hours before. I'm sure you guys have gotten this response from a chick countless times. WTF do you do? Any routines? I waited a couple minutes tried to build more comfort and escalate again to no avail. Simply put I was extremely turned off by this chicks lack of personality. I could probably get the bang with 3-4 more dates, but fuck...any advice on similar situations with hot prude chicks, with painful interactions? haha
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03-15-2015, 12:08 AM
Push each interaction as far as it will go. You just didn't turn her on enough. You can try sucking her tits, kissing her ear / neck, or anything that will turn her on.
Throw in some booze. Whenever she shows signs of resistance, take a sip of your drink, and continue what you were doing. Don't laugh in her face, instead just let out a short "Hmm" and continue what you were doing. You can also use a joke "I'm not that type of guy" with a little smile.
By experience, girls who throw some resistance and ultimately don't give me the bang are girls who go cold and are suddenly "busy" when I want to see them again. They know that the next logical step is having sex with you, so their hamster starts spinning, and it triggers the ASD (Anti-Slut Defence).
Always try "2 steps forward, 1 step back". Knowing that your chances to see her again are low, you should plow through LMR until she stands up, or she is completely clear that there will be no sex. Girls who throw LMR are often in their bubble and usually selfish, but you're here for the bang. Push, push, push, and keep frame.
Also, if the girl is very shy, try to keep her shirt on, and play with her tits by sliding a hand in, while leaving her shirt on. As for the rest, it's mostly lighting / comfort / etc. but since it's not your place, it's hard on this side. I bang a lot of Thai girls and I often leave the shirt on if I see that the girl isn't 100% comfortable.
I'd add, when plowing through extreme LMR, it can be a wise idea to turn on audio recording on your phone. You want to avoid "buyer's remose" false rape charges. It is rare, but we are never too careful.
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03-15-2015, 12:54 PM
Made an approach yesterday evening. Still havn't gone out to bar/club night game. Sticking to day for now. Evening approach
Approach #7- Open mic night at a coffee shop. Blonde 7
She was sitting at a table with a dude but it didn't look like they were together. As I rolled in she smiled at me, a clear sign of approachability according to Roosh. I went direct. Walked up told her I thought she was cute, pulled up a chair and sat down. She was at the open mic night cuz her friend was playing. New to town only been here two months. Introduced me to the guy (gay). She immediately started asking me personal questions. This is where I can improve, I need a air on mystery i.e. when she asked me what I do I shoulda fucked with her and said "design bobsleds or something." Just being aloof, not trying to win her over, and saying things most guys wouldnt. The conversation started getting a little interview style and perfect timing I had a couple friends roll into the coffee shop (one female). I touched her leg and told her I'll be right back. Went over chatted up my buddies cracked some jokes hung with them for a bit. Sat back down next to blonde and said "well you seem cool give me you're number and we'll meet here for coffee this week." She told me she had a boyfriend...long distance. I said "oh really I have one too but it's not really working out we want different things." This got her laughing I put my phone in her hands she looked up and said "just as friends" and put her number in my phone. NUMBER CLOSE. I'll text her tomorrow- "hey its blonde its Mo. coffee wednesday 4 same place"
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03-26-2015, 02:19 PM
#7 didnt text me back.
I've been down for the past 10 days or so due to an allergic reaction I had to some face wash. Fucked my face up big time. Made me super insecure about seeing women I didn't even want to leave my house. Dermatologist today I need to get back in the GAME
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03-26-2015, 02:39 PM
Also the very first girl that flaked on our date texted me. I had sent her a restart text a week later with no response.
I had deleted her information so I replied "who is this"
Her- name
Me- "oh yeah whats going on"
Her- "at work, I hope you're well"
Me- "cool yeah I had deleted your info I wasn't gonna waste my time. what do you do for work"
her- "wow that's really harsh" WTF man lizards and their sense of entitlement
Me- "I put in some effort you didnt respond nothing harsh about it babe"
her- "well we are acquaintances and life gets busy and saying hi isnt really effort"
Me- "I get it. I was referring to when we had plans. No bitterness here. Usually a flake and a no response expresses no interest. all good"
her- "We didn't really have plans that day I'm glad you're not bitter when we exchanged info I was thinking a freindly relationship not anything romantic. I assumed you thought the same"
Me- "haha you're the one who asked for my number"
her- "yeah to be freinds"
Me- "you wanna be friends"
her- "doesn't sound like you do"
Me- "we can be friends if that's what your hearts desire" (hoping to just see her one time and escalate hard)
her- "not sure if you're sincere"
Me- "sincere"
her- "ok cool"
Me- "next time I have a pool party maybe ill hit you up"
her- "smiley face emoji"
Frustrating interaction with this lizard (i love that term whoever coined it) really working hard on my text game. I think it was a dead lead from the get go...goddam
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03-27-2015, 01:33 PM
yesterday before class I hit the coffee shop...I had about 15 minutes until class and it was empty. the barista and one dude sitting on his laptop. I started chatting up the barista. she looked about 23-25 blonde 7. I see her all the time as I frequent that shop and she's seen me game a couple chicks. She was asking me all these personal questions so I saw that as a clear IOI. The conversation was smooth and she was super friendly. Told me she was new to the area only a couple months so I asked her out. This is hilarious but she says she just got married and that her husband is sitting right behind me. I turn around and the dude was smiling at me hahahah FUCK. Handled it with grace didn't get embarrassed. Damn I'm so young I don't even think to look for a ring on chicks hand. Hilarious. We'll see what the day has in store as my face is finally starting to heal.