[Sensei Creation]

So I'm 130 approaches in , and during this time i've collected a decent amount of numbers . Lately I've been good enough to collect at least a few numbers every time I leave the house to daygame now however I still haven't managed to set up a single date . I'm I just having an immense stroke of beginners bad luck or is there something fundamentally wrong with my text game ?

Let me provide you with 4 examples of texting exchanges with some recent sets in the hope that you can help me improve it :

Exhibit A

* Good evening Mr West Wink lol xxx
- Hey how are you , try to keep our meeting a secret I don't want paprazzi following us
* hahahah don't worry my lips are sealed
- im in #### for uni tomorrow do you want to hang out ?
* Uni ?? How old are ya ?? I can't my sons is poorly so i've got to do the super mum ting all day lol xxx
- I'm 46 . ok
* lmfao xxx
- i can come over for drinks on thurday , i've got some new recipes I want to try
* Radio silence from her = I deleted her number

Exhibit B

* Hows you
- could be better could be worse , did u complete gta 5 yet ?

* ah fair enough and yeah few times but left it for a while so it doesnt get boring wubu2
- lol , I've been planet digging on Mars , it's less exciting than it sounds

* hmmm bit of a shame its nothing like i imagine lol
- yeah I'll tell you all about it after we make out or something

* hmm im afraid as much as that sounds lovely i like to go on a date first its a 5 date rule thing
- I understand , I got a 65 date rule thing myself .. I'm in #### on Monday , we'll hang out then

* well thts a bigger challenge lol and i wont be i work down at #### til midnight lol soz
- thats a shame , well I'm only in #### on mons and tues so unless your willing to come down to ####

* ahh thats abit shit :/ and wow you trek quite a way then if you dont mind me asking why do you come #### ?
- I'm part of the Italian Mafia and #### is where I pick up my " packages "

* haha fair enough wont ask no more
- lol so when are we chilling ? there's really no point of talking for ever if we're not going to hang out

* ok well then good bye cause i work my ass off everyday to make sure i got a place to live sorry

Radio silence from me = Haven't deleted her number yet , she has until sunday to change her mind

Exhibit C

*Hey who's this ?xx
- the handsome guy who stopped you earlier today ?

*Aha hey how are you ?xx
- just left work so I'm great , do you want to hang out later this week

* I'm busy pretty much all week :/ sorry, where do you work ?xx
- I'm a planet digger on Saturn , sounds exciting but it's really mundane

* Lol nice xx
* So how old are you ?xx
- I'll give you a few clues when we hang out

* Aha why is it a guessing game ? If you tell me how old you are I will tell you my age xx
- your right , my bad , I'm 78

* Oh god aha xx
* No really ?xx

- i promise you , i have this rejuvenating cream..
* Loool no seriously xx

- i'll tell you when we meet , free up some space in that busy schedule of yours
* Haha but that could be ages before then xx

Radio silence from me = when i will reply it will probably be something like " there's no point of talking if where not going to hang out "

Exhibit D

* I'm goooood how are you, take it your the boy from #### earlier??
- opps I hadn't activated my wifi for iMessage.. do you want to hang out later this week

* Aha, and okay what did you have in mind
- well I'm not working tomorrow , we can chill around 4

* Ooooo whats your job☺️And I've got college till half 4 then a party tomorrow?sorry
- I'm a planet digger on Saturn , sounds exciting but it's really mundane
hmm maybe we can do something on sunday

* OOH no way same?! That's mad how have I not seen you! & okay☺️
- yeah I've only just started .. the pay's good but I wish those oxygen masks didn't leave us smelling like Martian sweat ?
- cool , I know a great place we can chill at , wear some Jordan's lol

* ??lmao ikr and the journey home on that rocket ??? & where's that ☺️& loool okay haha
- yeah they should really fix those gravity generators on the rocket.. Lazy mofos

- It's in ####, Sunday around 5 is ok ? I finish work at 4.30
* Have to complain? & irl let you know tomorrow?? Sorry I'm a busy girl aha

- it's cool I understand babysitting blue ivy is a very time consuming job ?
* ?what can i say Beyoncé my girl I can't let her down?

This one seems like the most promising prospect, but i'm not getting my hopes up , from here to sunday anything could happen . So what's going on ? Does my text game need work or am I just having a stroke of beginners bad luck ?

[Saweeep]

Your responses are, to me:

Not as amusing and funny as you think they are.

Too many lols etc.

Too wordy

Too quick to try and arrange a date; not enough comfort...remember you don't know these women at all really.

Non-dominant. "maybe we can...do you want to...etc".

Come across as a little desperate.


You're obviously doing something right in the approach (or are getting friend zoned and don't realise it) to get the numbers.

[Sensei Creation]

That's thing . I don't think I'm good at comfort building via text . My responses are exactly what I would say in real life . It's the type of humour that got me the numbers in the first place . However without my facial expressions, vocal intonations and general demeanour, it just doesn't have the same effect .

That's why is rather just set up the date as quickly as possible so I can resume gaming in my comfort zone . I also attempt to set it up quickly because I'm not interested in becoming the " texting buddy orbitor " I suspect a lot of these girls are trying to turn me into .

" Let's meet up ? If not , I'm out . " That's essentially what I'm saying . Through jokes and insinuations of course .

[Saweeep]

(02-13-2015 03:40 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  

That's thing . I don't think I'm good at comfort building via text . My responses are exactly what I would say in real life . It's the type of humour that got me the numbers in the first place . However without my facial expressions, vocal intonations and general demeanour, it just doesn't have the same effect .

That's why is rather just set up the date as quickly as possible so I can resume gaming in my comfort zone . I also attempt to set it up quickly because I'm not interested in becoming the " texting buddy orbitor " I suspect a lot of these girls are trying to turn me into .

" Let's meet up ? If not , I'm out . " That's essentially what I'm saying . Through jokes and insinuations of course .

Thing is, it isn't working is it?

Einstein's definition of insanity my friend!

[Sensei Creation]

Your absolutely correct . Which is why I came to this haven of knowledge and experience for potent advice .

How do you proceed ? Do you tone down the humour and play the texting buddy for a couple of days ? What topics of discussion do you choose ? How long do you mask your goal before you cross over dangerous " texting buddy " territory ? I usually delete numbers if they radio silence me ( it keeps motivated to go out and approach more ) , do you keep them and send restart texts the following week ?

[Saweeep]

There are lots of great threads on here about text game and how to proceed post-number.

The key is increasing/preserving her interest in you.

Spend a day or so reading them and digesting the info. Try and apply what you think fits your "style" and discard what doesn't.

Making sure that your texts are congruent with your approach frame is essential; it is a result of this that means there is no "one size fits all" answer.

[Libertas]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you right now - getting a lot of numbers but lots of flakes too (though I have had some dates).

I'd recommend reading some of what kaotic said here:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-11951-...#pid948297

What I can tell you is:

- Stop saying "lol", it is unnecessarily wordy and feminine (I wouldn't worry about wordiness in itself, to me that's the old PUA bullshit outdated text game, but try to keep your messages as short as you can)
- Build a bit of attraction and then comfort just like in your normal approach
- You aren't taking the lead, you are letting her set the frame
- Get her on the phone as soon as possible and then set a date after talking for a bit

At least that's the system I'm going to implement, adjusting as needed (I didn't have a phone plan for the longest time).

I also think guys at this point in the game should keep a texting journal just like an approach journal, here on the forum and on a document. I'd say to let this thread be yours.

[MdWanderer]

After reading this thread, I'm burying the word 'lol' from my vocabulary. I agree it sounds stupid and seems like something a teenage girl would say than a grown man. I'm not preaching; I have been having a lot of flakes lately too from my numbers and i've used 'lol' extensively.

Another nugget of advice that might be worthwhile is to save the humor for when you see her in person and not over text (any seasoned vets feel free to chime in on what you think about this). Maybe use it a little here and there but don't overdo it. I've lost a few strong leads, one on POF and another I met in person because of this after long conversations and obvious interest. A cocky and funny phrase may be executed perfectly in person; when your body language, demeanor, and facial expression may give off that playful vibe, but over text it can be taken out of context.

Stick with talking about something interesting and fun your either doing that day or in the future, and set up a date while the iron is hot (i.e no long text conversations, keep them simple and save the long convo for when you see her in person.)

Also, when you ask for a hangout, ask her once then that's it. Say 'let's do X bar at 9' and if she is down she'll either say 'sure' or reschedule on a time that fits her best. Confirm day of date.

[Libertas]

(02-13-2015 10:15 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

Another nugget of advice that might be worthwhile is to save the humor for when you see her in person and not over text (any seasoned vets feel free to chime in on what you think about this). Maybe use it a little here and there but don't overdo it. I've lost a few strong leads, one on POF and another I met in person because of this after long conversations and obvious interest. A cocky and funny phrase may be executed perfectly in person; when your body language, demeanor, and facial expression may give off that playful vibe, but over text it can be taken out of context.

Stick with talking about something interesting and fun your either doing that day or in the future, and set up a date while the iron is hot (i.e no long text conversations, keep them simple and save the long convo for when you see her in person.)

Also, when you ask for a hangout, ask her once then that's it. Say 'let's do X bar at 9' and if she is down she'll either say 'sure' or reschedule on a time that fits her best. Confirm day of date.

I generally agree with this, but I think there is a limited place for humor in text messages. Callback humor is an old constant in the community because it works. Be humorous for maybe one or two texts to get her hooked into the convo, and then transition into comfort and get her on the phone.

I'm still honing my craft with this so I'm not a vet but I think this is a decent method.

[Sensei Creation]

Thanks to your suggestions , I've managed to set up 2 dates since I started this thread . I haven't dialed down the humor but I've been more decisive and taking the lead when going in for the kill . I've also stopped using the word "lol" and "haha" .

Both of these come from approaches that lasted less than 5 mins maybe the pussy gods are finally starting to smile at me . We'll see .

My conversations looked like this :

A blonde 26 year old 10 ( In my eyes ) . She's way older than me too so I'm punching above my weight here :

- Whats up
* U alrite?b

- yeah and you ? really not looking forward to my shift tomorrow
* What your shift?

- I'm a planet digger on Saturn , sounds exciting but it's really mundane
* Oh sounds basic to me

- I know . I found your linkedin and it said you've been planet digging on pluto for over 10 years . it also said your married with 8 kids ..

* I also have a part time job on the moon and travel back and forth in my space shuttle. Actually it's 9 but I don't like mentioning it as he was the postmans

- I am the postman... tell john I don't visit because I died in an epic space crash.. but give him my bank account number... just in case he wins the lottery or something
- your shuttle's the one with " i'm in with love the spice girls " painted on it right

* No can do I'm afraid. John died having a sex change operation last month.
* Nah, it's the backstreet boys actually.

- I see.. well , tell me more about this interesting development over drinks on monday, I know a great place in #### , is 7 a good time for you

* I can only do a Friday or maybe a Thursday this week

- well i'm popping over to Moscow on Thursday to visit the Russian mafia .. apparently Putin has a package for me ... Friday around 7 . don't forget to bring me Johns sex change certificate.. I need the closure...

* I'll see what I can do about john, it's all being kept hush hush as he doesn't want people knowing he has no balls. 7 fine Friday

- tell him it's not too late to come back from the dark side . I'll pick you up in front of #### station

* He likes the dark side. Ok see you there

This one is a cute 20 year old 7 , we're an SMV match :

*aye what's up
- Hey nun u good

* yeah u , I'm not looking forward to my shift tomorrow
- Wht shift n whos dis btw

- the handsome guy who stopped you earlier
- I'm a planet digger on Saturn , sounds exciting but it's really mundane

* Looool ur gassed wht u on b

ill tell you when we hang out tomorrow around 5 ,I know a great place in #### we can chill at

* Where
- I'll pick you up in front of #### station at 5

* Okay

This date is today so I'm a little nervous , hopefully I can make some decent progress .

[Saweeep]

The thing is your text game sets your frame for the meeting as much as the texts themselves.

Act like a manly, dominant guy via text and that's what she will be expecting in person.

Even if you aren't quite there yet in person, fake it till you make it. Eventually it will be second nature.