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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

I think a lot of you guys are taking this race-bating and storm front accusations way too far.

The OP's reaction to a change like this isn't uncommon.

I remember when Interview with a Vampire was being done and they cast Tom Cruise. The people who loved those books were all pissed because Tom Cruise looked nothing like the way the vampire was described in the book.

Then you have that Fifty Shades of Grey movie and you would have noticed the same reactions when they were casting for the main role. Plenty of negative reactions to actors listed as possible contenders.

So the OP brings up the fact that this character is now black and he believes this is a PC appeasement and some of you guys go off on him like he is some racist.

I'm glad he was upfront on how he felt. I think some of the guys lobbing accusations towards him have more issued with race than him.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Let's face it. These comics were created by people in a segregated atmosphere. Now it's being placed into a different atmosphere where there's some overcompensation in the casting for political correctness. At the same time it's supposed to be real. But let's face reality.

Making a male character black isn't as unrealistic as remaking male characters as females. There are strong black guys out there so it makes sense that if the stories were plausible some characters would in fact be black. Most of America just isn't ready to believe that fully yet even though race relations are starting to improve.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Why couldn't they cast his sister black as well? In the comics they're biologically related.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Quote: (01-28-2015 11:52 PM)Pestilence Wrote:  

Why couldn't they cast his sister black as well? In the comics they're biologically related.

I think they changed the whole story. In a way, it might be better because it gets tiresome seeing the same story rebooted over and over again.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

So are they related or not? The movie's team is just going to have the siblings have a promiscuous mother, one black father for the Torch and one white father for the Invisible Woman?

Race/ethnicity is right there after gender. Saying "gender is a much bigger difference than race" is fallacious. If that is the level of the argument, then there shouldn't be casting directors, the profession should go extinct in Hollywood. Before you consider facial features, hair color, build, eye color, height, voice, acting ability, you make sure the man is the same ethnicity as the character.

It's like Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher. A 10 inch deficit (Reacher is 6'5'' or something in the books) is unbelievable. Cruise looks nothing remotely like Reacher, and there was a huge furor when the news that Cruise was cast broke. In this case, we have a black guy playing a white guy. Again, the actor bears no resemblance to the character. So the protests are absolutely justified.

The actor could be a good Johnny Storm, I don't dispute that. That's not the issue, it's that there's like a billion and a half white guys who would do a good job as well, in addition to literally looking the part.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Jimmy Olsen in the new Supergirl series is being played by a black guy too. Shit happens.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/328191...-supergirl

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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Look at hunger games.

That little girl who was killed in the 1, and the guy played by Lenny Kravitz, were met with furor upon readers learning they had cast black actors for the role.

Who cares about their race in the films now?

That "attack on white heterosexual men" is going way too far.

just wait for the film, before casting criticism.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Quote: (01-28-2015 07:32 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 06:48 PM)Krusyos Wrote:  

Also, I'll be looking forward to a new movie with Chris Hemsworth as Shaka Zulu.

I know right, that'd be about as stupid as having Ben Kingsley play Gandhi.

Surprised no one caught this gem.

Ben Kingsley is Indian, his real name is Krishna Pandit Bhanji. I was actually waiting for someone to drop the Kingsley = Gandhi shit

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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Quote: (01-29-2015 12:16 AM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

It's like Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher. A 10 inch deficit (Reacher is 6'5'' or something in the books) is unbelievable. Cruise looks nothing remotely like Reacher, and there was a huge furor when the news that Cruise was cast broke. In this case, we have a black guy playing a white guy. Again, the actor bears no resemblance to the character. So the protests are absolutely justified.

I Love the Reacher books and the character. Every original book starts with a description of him. The big 6'5" 250-260lbs lumbering shit-kicker who can't drive worth a damn but can kill a guy.

Takes on multiple guys who think twice about taking him on solo. The 300lbs corn huskers getting thrown around and him not giving a flying fuck.

Suddenly the author sells out because a big name wants to play the role ($$$$) and says that the size of Reacher isn't how the reader is defining it. That size doesn't matter and that a small man can do what a man of reachers size can do.

Bull-to-the-shit.

The source material and writers sold out. The only way to stop such actions is to vote with your money and not whine on twitter.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Quote: (01-28-2015 07:32 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2015 06:48 PM)Krusyos Wrote:  

Also, I'll be looking forward to a new movie with Chris Hemsworth as Shaka Zulu.

I know right, that'd be about as stupid as having Ben Kingsley play Gandhi.

...except Ben Kingsley's Indian. His real name is Krishna Pandit Bhanji.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Steve's thoughts:

* The Fantastic Four are gay. I never liked them, even when I saw the cartoon as a kid.

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It was really kinky stuff

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Great disguise, fuckface!

* I don't really care if they get black guys to play previously white characters. On the other hand, I hate SJW's and their fapping over anything that isn't white, male or heterosexual. "ZOMG! THEY CHANGED JAMES BOND TO A RETARDED MORBIDLY OBESE ESKIMO LESBIAN! TAKE THAT WHITE HETEROPATRIARCHAL SHITLORDS! FAP! FAP! FAP!"

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Pic is somewhat related.

Usually it isn't black people who are into this SJW race-trolling and arsecockery. It's usually milky white bearded hipster faggots who are keen to display their imagined moral superiority over other white people. The wrong sort of white people.

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Typical non-SJW.

* I've worked with Turkish chaps before and they're a great bunch of lads. So don't take this the wrong way, but Turkey did its own version of Superman and turned the Man of Steel into a Turk:






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Lex Lutherdoğan tried to feed him a kryptonite kebab.

To be fair to the Turks, who are a gloriously politically incorrect people, there was no SJW agenda in Turkish Superman. They were just having a laugh. As a result, Turkish Superman is fucking awesome. He even kills two people in the film. Given the low-budget nature of this production, it was probably for real.

Therefore, all superhero movies should be Turkish.

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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Quote: (01-29-2015 12:32 PM)SteveMcMahon Wrote:  

To be fair to the Turks, who are a gloriously politically incorrect people, there was no SJW agenda in Turkish Superman. They were just having a laugh. As a result, Turkish Superman is fucking awesome. He even kills two people in the film. Given the low-budget nature of this production, it was probably for real.

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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

^^^^ I didn't know other countries had their own versions of superheroes. I always thought that when they show American movies outside the U.S its always just translated in subtitles while maintaining the original.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

There’s an Indian Superman too:

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Here’s the whole film, you can send the link to somebody you really dislike...




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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Quote: (01-29-2015 05:57 AM)mikado Wrote:  

Look at hunger games.

That little girl who was killed in the 1, and the guy played by Lenny Kravitz, were met with furor upon readers learning they had cast black actors for the role.

Who cares about their race in the films now?

That "attack on white heterosexual men" is going way too far.

just wait for the film, before casting criticism.

I think the issue is that if they can't even get races correct, and especially when two characters are supposed to be related, then already the filmmakers are needlessly deviating from the source material.

It's also more idiotic double standards on race: race doesn't matter, we're all the same... but you better have the right diversity.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Quote: (01-29-2015 08:16 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Here’s the whole film, you can send the link to somebody you really dislike...




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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Race threads are so fucking predictable I honest didn't see any other outcome. But the major criticism seems to be that hollywood id somehow trying to pander to some SJWs but that's honestly a weak argument.

How can you even prove that?

When would it ever be OK to replace a "traditionally white character" with a minority? (which happened just recently with christian bale this summer but of course that flew under the radar)

You can't just say the evil SJWs are pandering without at least backing it up. IT seems liberals and SJWs are becoming a very convenient boogeyman.
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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

Quote: (01-30-2015 04:29 AM)JohnyBoi95 Wrote:  

When would it ever be OK to replace a "traditionally white character" with a minority?

When it's Blackman and Robin:

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Straight Outta Gotham

Black girl Robin could beat up Burt Ward and Chris O'Donnell at the same time.

Quote: (01-30-2015 04:29 AM)JohnyBoi95 Wrote:  

You can't just say the evil SJWs are pandering without at least backing it up. IT seems liberals and SJWs are becoming a very convenient boogeyman.

Dunno about that. I've no idea why they cast a black actor to play Johnny Storm. Maybe he'll be great. The first two Fantastic Four movies were pretty bland so maybe this new cast will turn it around.

But it's true that SJW's ruin everything. When Thor got a sex change the fapping of SJW's nearly broke the internet. When they made Spiderman Mexican, I had to go to my doctor for the AIDS I caught after accidentally browsing the Tumblr celebrations.

When no white men won a Nebula award last year, instead of congratulating the winners, SJW's on Twitter - most of them white and (nominally) male themselves - went blind from furiously stroking their micropeens over dealing a fearsome blow to white patriarchy.

Here's a selection of quotes to illustrate:

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2014/05/27/mi...sanderson/

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2014 SFWA awards attendee and writer Sunil Patel: “Curious: how many of you refuse to watch/read something if it’s about Yet Another Straight White Man?”
Reply from SFWA member and Nebula nominee Kate Elliott: “Same is true of books. I’m increasingly less likely to pick up a book if it is another straight white dude story.”
Reply from SFWA member, co-editor of Long Hidden, and review editor at Publisher’s Weekly Rose Fox: “Alas, my job doesn’t let me refuse.”
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SFF author and Nebula nominee Kate Elliott: “Just read another call from a white man about the need for ‘nuance’ rather than shrill ranting.”

Reply from SFF fan and blogger Jenny Thurman: “as if they’d know ‘nuance’ if they tripped on it”

Reply from Kate Elliott: “nuance is when we are complaining about what they don’t want us to complain about.”

(Here is the post by SFF author Richard Morgan they are talking about[Image: smile.gif]
http://www.richardkmorgan.com/news/1114/...-westeros/
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Consulting editor Teresa Nielsen Hayden at Tor Books, the largest publisher of SFF in English: “Didn’t need the user icon to know you’re white and male.”

Tempest Bradford: “Just… Fuck all you white dudes wagging your finger at the community on twitter. It’s not like most of you are helping. Sit your asses down”
*
Nebula and Hugo Award nominee Charles Stross: “angry old white men are angry, old, white, and male.”

NY Times No. 1 best-selling SFF author, Phillip K. Dick nominee Sean Williams on who wrote the Dave Truesdale SFWA petition: “A disgruntled white guy, of course.”
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Blog post by the then president of the SFWA John Scalzi: “Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is.”
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Blog post by the then president of the SFWA John Scalzi: “Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is.”
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SFWA member and past official Jim Hines racially profiling a photo of white people consisting of past, present, and future WorldCon chairs: “After all, some white dude explained to me the other week that sexism and racism in fandom ended decades ago!” and “Someone probably just messed up the ‘White balance’ setting on the camera.”
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SFWA member Charles Stross on Boston bombing before suspects ID’d: “my money is on crazy white guys with a political axe to grind: the provisional wing of the Tea Party.”
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SFF author, Tor.com blogger, and ReaderCon fantastic literature convention panelist Alex MacFarlane: “I suspect the ability to push boundaries and not cause hurt requires the pusher to not be a middle class white straight man.”
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SFWA member, NY Times best-selling author and writer for Marvel Comics Marjorie Liu: “White male privilege cares ONLY about white male privilege, and there is no goal except maintaining that position of power.”
SFF blogger, Foz Meadows: “…white patriarchy. …man, does it get into everything.”
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SFWA member Sunny Moraine: “Well-educated white dudes with a lot of opinions and just enough smarts to think they have it all figured out make me so goddamn tired.”
Hugo and Nebula nominated author Saladin Ahmed: “I know that the Clarke shortlist (British SF Award nominees) is all male. Looks like it’s all white, too? Does that just go without saying?”

So SJW's are real, they pozz everything they touch, and lots of folks are sick of it.

Doesn't mean they're not overreacting in this specific case, but that's the context behind it.

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Quote: (01-29-2015 05:57 AM)mikado Wrote:  

Look at hunger games.

That little girl who was killed in the 1, and the guy played by Lenny Kravitz, were met with furor upon readers learning they had cast black actors for the role.

Who cares about their race in the films now?

That "attack on white heterosexual men" is going way too far.

just wait for the film, before casting criticism.

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This whole "met with furor" allegation is a revisionist lie.That little girl's name was Rue. Mainstream "news" outlets like Huffington Post and Jezebel took to Twitter to find offensive tweets about casting in The Hunger Games. Surprise, surprise they found some mean, ignorant tweets! Of course, this has stuck in your mind as a fury created around the casting of some black folk.

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Dunno about that. I've no idea why they cast a black actor to play Johnny Storm. Maybe he'll be great. The first two Fantastic Four movies were pretty bland so maybe this new cast will turn it around.

Have you seen him in the wire? He's a dramatic actor worth watching and his performance in friday night lights ( I recommend you see it) shows that he has the necessary charisma to pull off johny storm ( A character pretty much known for his charisma cockiness and headstrong attitude) even in chronicle, it's apparent the kind of character he's able to play.

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But it's true that SJW's ruin everything. When Thor got a sex change the fapping of SJW's nearly broke the internet. When they made Spiderman Mexican, I had to go to my doctor for the AIDS I caught after accidentally browsing the Tumblr celebrations.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with any of this but then again I don't really care much about comics.

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When no white men won a Nebula award last year, instead of congratulating the winners, SJW's on Twitter - most of them white and (nominally) male themselves - went blind from furiously stroking their micropeens over dealing a fearsome blow to white patriarchy.

I'm not really arguing against this. I know SJWs are real ( When I said they are a boogeyman, I meant people tend to blame some things on them and only them e.g. this very post). SJWs are an annoying group. No argument. But how can you prove this is something the SJWs are behind?

What if it's something the creators wanted? What if stan lee himself made this happen? What if the director himself ( josh trank. He worked with michael on the movie chronicle) just really loved michael as an actor?

This could very well be SJWs putting pressure on the creators or a plethora of other reasons. We don't know.
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Quote: (01-30-2015 12:56 PM)JohnyBoi95 Wrote:  

Have you seen him in the wire? He's a dramatic actor worth watching and his performance in friday night lights ( I recommend you see it) shows that he has the necessary charisma to pull off johny storm ( A character pretty much known for his charisma cockiness and headstrong attitude) even in chronicle, it's apparent the kind of character he's able to play.

I keep hearing great things about The Wire, but watched a couple of episodes and couldn't get into it.

It just seemed rather depressing to me. I hate shows about poor people, because I grew up poor myself and it was shit.

I saw Friday Night Lights the movie and enjoyed it, even though I don't understand the rules of American football.

Quote: (01-30-2015 12:56 PM)JohnyBoi95 Wrote:  

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But it's true that SJW's ruin everything. When Thor got a sex change the fapping of SJW's nearly broke the internet. When they made Spiderman Mexican, I had to go to my doctor for the AIDS I caught after accidentally browsing the Tumblr celebrations.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with any of this but then again I don't really care much about comics.

You don't see anything wrong with me, an innocent bystander, catching Tumblr AIDS?

Do you even know how many times I had to bathe in bleach to scrub off the gay? How many medicinal blowjobs I had to receive to heal my wounded heterosexuality? [Image: sad.gif]

Quote: (01-30-2015 12:56 PM)JohnyBoi95 Wrote:  

This could very well be SJWs putting pressure on the creators or a plethora of other reasons. We don't know.

Steve agrees.

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Johnny Storm (Human Torch) is Black in the new Fantastic Four Movie

You can say Female Thor and Black Human Torch are both forced, but at least Black Human Torch will be masked by a good actor.
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