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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (01-27-2015 01:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Lance is an interesting guy. Enormous asshole with the ego to match it, extremely driven, type A personality, stubborn, and very Machiavellian or Dark Triad like. He is probably the most comfortable person in the world in a way mentally. Most people, when they say they do not give a fuck about something, there might be a 1-5% doubt or squirm in there. He had none of that. He was basically under the condition of, catch me first and then I will admit to it, until then, fuck off. I wonder how that fight with cancer affected his personality from his perspective, behind closed doors and no cameras. I bet he has a very Scarface like bravado if you could be around him away from cameras and stuff.

His masculine frame is something to study as well. Everyone believed him hardcore up until he was caught red handed. He could intimidate literally anyone.

I don't really believe that his frame is unshakeable whatsoever. When he got nailed with the allegations and his name was being dragged through the mud, he faced the very real prospect that people wouldn't like him any more, so he tried to curry favor by telling the entire world on Oprah that he was a faggot. Armstrong's a garden variety narcissist.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (01-28-2015 04:57 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

Chris Froome: Crunching the Tour de France data
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He concludes that Chris Froome's performance isn't superhuman, or "mutant" - but simply at the upper bounds of what is physiologically possible.

"The level of performance is to be expected according to his power profile between 2011 and now. The power profile hasn't changed in the last two years. He is the same cyclist," Grappe says.

Froome turned from a donkey to a racehorse over night in 2011 before the vuelta. If not blood vector doping, then definately some new weight loss drugs like AICAR.. That guy is unhumanly thin, and thereby making it possible to go faster than known dopers from earlier this century. And still he is time trialing just as fast as Panzerwagen Tony Martin. Not possible without hormone replacement during a 3 week race.

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No way Froome is clean. No way Wiggins is clean. even Wiggins went faster than known super dopers beloki and ullrich.

Froome he even inhaled corticosteroids during the dauphine last year.
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And froome is going just as fast as Alberto Contador who traces of plastic from blood bags in his blood and who was caught for weightloss drug clenbuterol. Contador, who has the fastest climbing rate per hour ever on verbier in 2009.

The omertá is still there. the doping is still there. It's the same risk/benefit equation. Teams are even being run by former dopers, Vinokourov and Bjarne Riis.

Nothing has changed. For me it's more a theater than a sport.

So my point: Lance is still lying, saying that you can ride clean in 2015. He knows it's impossible.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Nah they are clean now. I say this from first hand knowledge. I can't expand much on the matter for personal reasons but there's a huge difference between the Armstrong era and the now. One thing that will come out soon is how the sponsors knew of the doping back then, that'll come out in the US Postal case against Armstrong.

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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (01-28-2015 05:37 AM)amity Wrote:  

Very interesting thread guys.
Really impressed by the level of debate consistently on RVF, not just on women and personal development but also on topics like this one.
It's great to see, honestly it's a level above pretty much any other website I've come across.

^ Seconded. Some very interesting posts in here. Thanks.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (01-27-2015 01:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Lance is an interesting guy. Enormous asshole with the ego to match it, extremely driven, type A personality, stubborn, and very Machiavellian or Dark Triad like. He is probably the most comfortable person in the world in a way mentally. Most people, when they say they do not give a fuck about something, there might be a 1-5% doubt or squirm in there. He had none of that. He was basically under the condition of, catch me first and then I will admit to it, until then, fuck off. I wonder how that fight with cancer affected his personality from his perspective, behind closed doors and no cameras. I bet he has a very Scarface like bravado if you could be around him away from cameras and stuff.

His masculine frame is something to study as well. Everyone believed him hardcore up until he was caught red handed. He could intimidate literally anyone.

If you look at a modern bodybuilder, it's blindingly obvious he's geared up, human just don't get that beg and that ripped. You look at what athletes looked like prior to modern PEDs, look at these guys, make some compensation for modern diet/training/supplementation, and there is obvious something else has entered the equation.

If you know endurance sports, the times these guys were putting up were as blindingly obvious as a shredded 300lb bodybuilder. Normal humans just don't get that big, or go that fast.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (01-28-2015 06:36 AM)Hades Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2015 01:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Lance is an interesting guy. Enormous asshole with the ego to match it, extremely driven, type A personality, stubborn, and very Machiavellian or Dark Triad like. He is probably the most comfortable person in the world in a way mentally. Most people, when they say they do not give a fuck about something, there might be a 1-5% doubt or squirm in there. He had none of that. He was basically under the condition of, catch me first and then I will admit to it, until then, fuck off. I wonder how that fight with cancer affected his personality from his perspective, behind closed doors and no cameras. I bet he has a very Scarface like bravado if you could be around him away from cameras and stuff.

His masculine frame is something to study as well. Everyone believed him hardcore up until he was caught red handed. He could intimidate literally anyone.

I don't really believe that his frame is unshakeable whatsoever. When he got nailed with the allegations and his name was being dragged through the mud, he faced the very real prospect that people wouldn't like him any more, so he tried to curry favor by telling the entire world on Oprah that he was a faggot. Armstrong's a garden variety narcissist.

I think my point is still valid and I agree heavily on his obvious narcissism. Thing is, if you as a person could replicate that kind of presence without being a narcissist, it could serve you well with many kinds of women. Professionally as well if you could balance it just right. Everyone hates the loud dude in the conference room but sometimes that person is the one pushing the most agenda by imposing his own leadership style into the mix constantly.

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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Armstrong to be charged in car crash


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Lance Armstrong: Cyclist charged over Colorado car crash

Lance Armstrong is due in court after being accused of leaving the scene of an accident and crashing into two parked cars.

According to police, the cyclist left the scene in the ski resort of Aspen, Colorado, before officers arrived.

Reports in the US media said his girlfriend Anna Hansen told police she was driving, before changing her story.

Armstong, 43, who was stripped of seven Tour de France titles for doping, faces court on 17 March.

He could face a fine and up to 90 days in jail if convicted of the charges of leaving the scene and driving too fast for the snowy conditions.

Hansen, 33, who lives in Aspen, was initially cited for the incident after telling police she had been driving the couple home from an Aspen Art Museum party.

She claimed to have lost control and hit two parked cars, before speaking to the owner and offering to pay for the damage, the police report said.

The Aspen Daily News reported that the couple had made the "joint decision" to avoid negative headlines.

Officers then spoke to the valet at the event, who said Armstrong had driven away from the gala.

On 12 January, the charges were transferred to Armstrong. Hansen will not face charges.

Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France victories and banned for life from racing in 2012 by the US Anti-Doping Agency after he admitted using performance-enhancing drugs.

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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Lance and Tiger Woods are ridiculous. They are like walking dumpster fires.

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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

This seems to be our Lance Armstrong thread. I ran across this on Quora the other day.

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What is Lance Armstrong like in person?

I've met him, and 'hung out' with him on several occasions. He is rude, arrogant, and basically about the biggest jerk in public you could possibly imagine. Every person in Austin that has had the misfortune to run into him in public will say the same thing.

I went to dinner one night with a buddy. We met some friends at a downtown sushi restaurant in Austin. We sat down at a table with some friends and Lance was there. This was when he was engaged to Sheryl Crow.

After dinner, we moved to the bar, where we were all having drinks. One of the girls at the table, who was there with her boyfriend, had been gone a long time. Another one of the girls, came up to us, and asked where so-and-so's purse was, her boyfriend said, "I have it." She replied, "She's leaving with Lance."

We looked outside, the bar windows face the street, and sure enough there was Lance sitting in the GTO that his fiance had bought for him. The girl was standing outside the car, and after being handed her purse, the girl jumped in the car with him and they took off.

We couldn't believe that it just happened. We started questioning the boyfriend, "What happened? Were ya'll fighting? Did ya'll know Lance?" They had never met Lance before that night, and they lived together. Pretty shitty of the girlfriend to do that, so blatantly in front of everyone, but pretty shitty of Lance to do that as well. The boyfriend was really upset, and it was just a sad thing that happened. We ended up hanging out with him for a bit, and tried to console him.

I can forgive his doping, in fact I don't even care, and never did. What I can't forgive is his absolute lack of character, and the lives he destroyed by bullying and actively attacking those who admitted that they saw him doping.

This guy's live-in LTR dumped him, in front of their friends, simply to have a one night stand with Lance Armstrong. Many of us have witnessed, or even been part of, a guy being humiliated like this by a higher status or more charismatic male, but this is one of the worst I've ever read about.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

I don't really care about him cheating in an era when everyone was cheating (in a sport that most people complaining don't give two shits about), or him hurting people's feelings, or fucking their live in girlfriends, or being a selfish prick and lying to protect his brand/image. Him beating advanced stage testicular cancer that had metastasized to his brain is enough for me to like the guy. Anyone who read It's Not About the Bike will understand. Sure, his survival was mostly due to the doctors in Indiana and the luck of the draw with how his body responded to treatment. But it was his choice to keep on fighting each day. He is still a warrior and a survivor and a competitor. He may not inspire many cyclists or armchair critics but he is still an inspiration for many dealing with more important shit than racing or trophies or endorsements.

It was a bitter pill to swallow when he was exposed as a cheat and liar and his 7 wins were stripped, one of those moments in life I will forever remember where I was and who I was with when the news dropped. I proudly wore my yellow Livestrong bracelet for several years until that day. Not just some fanboy tribute, it was bigger than that, cancer is like war, it leaves a permanent scar on people and they are part of that tribe whether they asked for it or not.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (07-10-2018 01:28 AM)LaFleur Wrote:  

I don't really care about him cheating in an era when everyone was cheating (in a sport that most people complaining don't give two shits about), or him hurting people's feelings, or fucking their live in girlfriends, or being a selfish prick and lying to protect his brand/image. Him beating advanced stage testicular cancer that had metastasized to his brain is enough for me to like the guy. Anyone who read It's Not About the Bike will understand. Sure, his survival was mostly due to the doctors in Indiana and the luck of the draw with how his body responded to treatment. But it was his choice to keep on fighting each day. He is still a warrior and a survivor and a competitor. He may not inspire many cyclists or armchair critics but he is still an inspiration for many dealing with more important shit than racing or trophies or endorsements.

It was a bitter pill to swallow when he was exposed as a cheat and liar and his 7 wins were stripped, one of those moments in life I will forever remember where I was and who I was with when the news dropped. I proudly wore my yellow Livestrong bracelet for several years until that day. Not just some fanboy tribute, it was bigger than that, cancer is like war, it leaves a permanent scar on people and they are part of that tribe whether they asked for it or not.

If you haven't already, you MUST read "The Secret Race" by Tyler Hamilton. He was on Lance's team, and goes in depth about how the doping worked, and how he realized it was an absolute necessity to make it to the top of cycling. Doping is a part of all professional sports that have big pay days, and even some that don't. Hell, guys at the gym take gear to look better and put on muscle, but we're supposed to believe people making >$1M yearly won't??

After watching interviews with Lance and reading "The Secret Race", he comes across as a tragically flawed hero. His determination as an athlete, overcoming cancer, a super successful charity, and even mastery at doping all show he was a laser focused alpha male. His tragic flaws stem from the emotional wounds of being abandoned by his father. Lance would never have gotten caught if he did not treat people horribly. When people did get caught, he could have said "everyone makes mistakes, he is basically a good guy, he can come back one day, etc", but instead he would crucify the person, usually one of his own teammates.

In my opinion, he paid a fair price for his sins, this interview with Joe Rogan made me think he might now understand what an ass he was.




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#37

Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Sports is entertainment. If guys wanna get juiced up to perform better, fine by me!

Never understood the whole "cheating" thing.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Same. Everyone is cheating as much as they can. I don't believe in honor when there are millions of dollars on the table and maybe even billions when you factor in shoe deals, sponsorships and an elite inner circle.

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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (07-09-2018 11:46 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

This guy's live-in LTR dumped him, in front of their friends, simply to have a one night stand with Lance Armstrong. Many of us have witnessed, or even been part of, a guy being humiliated like this by a higher status or more charismatic male, but this is one of the worst I've ever read about.

The power women have in the West today is insane and has to be stopped. In most of the world today, and through most of history, things like this would simply never have been possible. Women were either excluded from events like this and made to stay at home, or punished very harshly for misbehavior.

In ancient Rome, for example, if a woman dishonored her husband in some way, he would strip her naked and whip her through the street. Bullying and abuse disgust me, but some women, such as the one above, are like children who have egregiously crossed the line and need to be reminded who is in charge. A marriage with them can succeed in no other way.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

There are two good exposes on Armstrong's career: The Secret Race and Cycle of Lies. Neither one of them is very kind to Armstrong. It's not true that "everyone in pro cycling was doping." The French teams, for example, were under very tight scrutiny by their national anti-doping organization and did not juice. Also, doping in endurance sports is a very inexact science. The teams who were doping did so at different levels of effectiveness. Armstrong's teams spent more money on their doping program, had better doping advisors, better resources, and a more complex and complete program, which gave them an immense competitive advantage against other doping teams.

Armstrong destroyed promising careers of several cyclists because they crossed him or were perceived to be disloyal to his system of doing things. He also made life hell for people like Greg LeMond who was one of the first to raise the alarm about what Armstrong was doing. Several of Armstrong's sponsors retaliated against associates who declined to help cover up for Armstrong. That's one reason I will never again buy anything from Trek or Oakley.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (07-10-2018 08:58 AM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

Quote: (07-09-2018 11:46 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

This guy's live-in LTR dumped him, in front of their friends, simply to have a one night stand with Lance Armstrong. Many of us have witnessed, or even been part of, a guy being humiliated like this by a higher status or more charismatic male, but this is one of the worst I've ever read about.

The power women have in the West today is insane and has to be stopped.

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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Quote: (07-10-2018 08:44 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Sports is entertainment. If guys wanna get juiced up to perform better, fine by me!

Never understood the whole "cheating" thing.

I kind of agree with you, but my problem with PED use is that all professional sports leagues will turn into Formula One, where Mercedes dominates every year because they have the most money to spend on technology.

If PEDs were allowed then it becomes a competition of who has the most money to spend on doctors and doping protocols. I mean lets take the Premier League for example. Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United are the three richest teams backed by billionaire owners. They would have more money to hire the best doctors and give their top players the best drugs. Smaller, less wealthier teams like Leceister City or West Ham would never be able to compete. Not only could they not sign the top players, but they wouldn't have access to the best doctors and the best doping protocols to give to the average players they do sign. Events like Leceister winning the Premier League would never happen. It would always be the teams that have the most money to spend on doctors and drugs.

And if you want to allow PEDs in sports then you would have to throw out the other rules and allow all forms of cheating. For example, in baseball if you let hitters take testosterone, then you would have to allow pitchers to spit on the ball or use sandpaper to get a better grip on the ball, so they can throw pitches with crazy spin and movement.
You would have to allow receivers and running backs to spray their uniforms with cooking oil to make them so greasy and slippery that you would never be able to grab their jersey to take them down because your hands would slip off.

So if all cheating were allowed, then professional sports would lose the professionalism and devolve into shitshows of blatant cheating that take away from the game.
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Lance Armstrong: "I'd ProbablyTake PEDs Again"

Coming across this thread lead me to re-read It's not about the bike. Guy may be a cheater, a fraud, a self serving asshole, but he is a fierce competitor. Morals and character flaws aside, guys like Lance and Tiger appear to have such a pathological, all-consuming hunger for success and all the spoils that come with it... It's extraordinary.
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