[Gorgiass]

Most here have probably heard of this happening before, more noteworthy in this case is that the story is running on the front page of Yahoo and generating appropriately outraged comments. Can't find any embeddable links but you can see short vid at the link below. Apparently when the papers were "served" he was actually in jail, fraud all around in this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/man-may-jail...59828.html

Story on the case:

Quote:

DETROIT - Carnell Alexander is a wanted man. The reason? He refuses to pay child support for a child that is proven to not be his. As a result, a warrant has been issued for his arrest.

7 Action News told you about Carnell Alexander in October. He said he was looking for help clearing up a terrible mistake.

READ MORE: Detroit man fights $30k child support bill for kid that is not his

Alexander says he learned about the paternity case against him during a traffic stop in Detroit in the early 90s. The officer told him he is a deadbeat dad, there was a warrant out for his arrest.

“I knew I didn’t have a child, so I was kind of blown back,” said Alexander during an interview in October.

He would later learn this happened because his ex needed help caring for her kids.

“I put him down as father to get assistance,” she told 7 Action News.

She didn’t realize that would start a paternity case. The state would want to get reimbursement for welfare benefits from the child’s dad.

A process server turned in paperwork to the court saying Carnell had been notified of the paternity hearing. The paperwork said the notification happened at a house in Highland Park. Because on paper he had been given notice, when he didn’t show up at court, he was legally listed as father by default.

7 Action News found out there must have been some mistake. On the day Carnell was allegedly served at a house in Highland Park, the Michigan Department of Corrections says he was actually incarcerated for a crime he committed as a young man.

He could not have possibly been served as recorded. It is unknown whether this was fraud or a case of mistaken identity.

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By the time Carnell learned about the paternity case, judges told him it was too late. Legally he owes the state more than $30,000 for assistance paid to care for a child.

“A child that I did not father, that I did not biologically create, that I was not involved in raising,” said Carnell. “It is not fair. I haven’t even had a chance to speak to him except for one time when we took a DNA test."

DNA tests prove the child is not his. The real father was in the child’s life, but the state never pursued him for payment as far as Carnell and the child’s mother know.

Carnell refuses to pay. As a result, the warrant was issued for his arrest.

“I will go to jail if I have to because I am tired of the mishandling of the case,” said Carnell.

“It’s not right,” said Murray Davis of the National Family Justice Association.

Davis says there are thousands of men in Carnell Alexander’s shoes because Michigan doesn’t have paternity fraud laws that protect men.

When there is evidence a woman mistakenly or purposefully declares the wrong man as husband, it doesn’t necessarily impact paternity obligations.

“We can be defaulted into being a father of a child that is not ours. I don’t understand the law, but we do have that law in place," Carnell said.

Davis did a study a few years back that looked at how many of the men who are declared fathers by default in Wayne County are indeed the father. He says DNA tests found 79% of the time they are not.

“It is so easy to say anyone is the father while applying for assistance,” said Davis.

Attorney Cherika Harris has volunteered to try to help Carnell Alexander. She was with him on Friday when he turned himself in to authorities.

The judge said he will not go to jail for now. She put the case on hold until next month so Attorney Harris could have a chance to argue that he should not be responsible for the child support bill.

[MMX2010]

(01-26-2015 03:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

“I put him down as father to get assistance,” she told 7 Action News.

She didn’t realize that would start a paternity case. The state would want to get reimbursement for welfare benefits from the child’s dad.

That part stuck out most for me.

[turkishcandy]

Quote:

“I put him down as father to get assistance,” she told 7 Action News.

She didn’t realize that would start a paternity case. The state would want to get reimbursement for welfare benefits from the child’s dad.

A process server turned in paperwork to the court saying Carnell had been notified of the paternity hearing. The paperwork said the notification happened at a house in Highland Park. Because on paper he had been given notice, when he didn’t show up at court, he was legally listed as father by default.

What kind of a mockery of law is this shit? There is no plaintiff, there is no defendant, yet the judge takes the matter into her own hand and ''legally list him as father by default'' what the fuck is that even supposed to mean? The woman did not sue for paternity. The man did not get served.

Basically, a judge looked at a welfare application form (?), saw the name of a man as father, and without the mother's request, without notifying the man, without due process, ruled that he is the father and must pay child support. I'm having hard time believing what I'm reading. Is this what the law has been reduced to in US?

[kmhour]

the crux of the issue is what appears to be the false service. if the judge was told the man was served with notice to appear and did not, it's understandable. otherwise it would be easy to avoid child support just by never showing up to court.

[Renzy]

(01-26-2015 03:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

Quote:

“We can be defaulted into being a father of a child that is not ours. I don’t understand the law, but we do have that law in place," Carnell said.

Davis did a study a few years back that looked at how many of the men who are declared fathers by default in Wayne County are indeed the father. He says DNA tests found 79% of the time they are not.

79% of the time it's not the real dad! Damn, man... I think that number would shock even red-pill guys. Are these women compulsive liars or are they super-sluts who are hopping on so many cocks they legitimately can't tell you who the real dad is...

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Welcome to the family court system

This has been a dirty game promiscuous women have been playing for awhile now

All you need is a woman scorned, an upwardly mobile guy who seems to have his act together and an ally in the court system

Whether of not he is the biological father is of secondary importance in the courts eyes. As long as they have a mark to satisfy the welfare debt that the state dutifully doles out to the mother, the wheels get greased and an innocent man is left holding the bag. The real father probably won't even get hassled, because in her eyes he is not a "fit" father (read: bad boy/alpha type)

His only crime was sleeping with such a suspect chick

[godfather dust]

It's time to stop rewarding single mothers. Giving birth out of wedlock (or outside of monogamy) should be a massive burden that noone would want to take on. If they can't get a job for some reason and need welfare open work camps they can go to for minimum wage shoveling shit or something. If they don't want to do that they lose the kid and it's a misdemenor or felony. I feel for the kids but there's no way to ensure that welfare/child support money is actually helping the kids and not paying for purses, shoes, drugs and makeup.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Wanna know another dirty little secret that family court & the state govt keep to themselves?

The amount you are paying out every month takes a little detour before it even gets to her greedy hands

The state tries to position themselves as the moral authority and go-between for the custodial parent & non-custodial parents, but in reality they are little more than pimps taking their cream off the top before passing it on to be divvied up to the kids

[Days of Broken Arrows]

The good news is that the mainstream media has finally picked up on this and is running with it. A little over ten years ago, guys like father's rights advocate Glenn Sacks were desperately trying to get info like this out through blogs and the occasional newspaper article.

Andy Warhol once said that being on TV for a few minutes did more for his popularity than the hundreds of newspaper articles he'd had written about him. Since this was televised, expect a major ripple effect.

[jimukr104]

Seems like he should sue EVERYONE even the judge. If it isn't his..he has no responsibility, end of story!

[Brodiaga]

(01-26-2015 05:46 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

It's time to stop rewarding single mothers. Giving birth out of wedlock (or outside of monogamy) should be a massive burden that noone would want to take on. If they can't get a job for some reason and need welfare open work camps they can go to for minimum wage shoveling shit or something. If they don't want to do that they lose the kid and it's a misdemenor or felony. I feel for the kids but there's no way to ensure that welfare/child support money is actually helping the kids and not paying for purses, shoes, drugs and makeup.

Let's get real: this is not going to happen. Actually, things will likely get even worse for us men. There are European countries where a single mother without a job and on welfare can get a better house/apartment in a better neighborhood than a young single guy with a pretty good professional job who pays taxes to fund her lifestyle. She might not have a lot of money left after feeding her kinds and buying them clothes, but if she is not ugly, she'll always have a bunch of beta suckers lined up to buy her drinks, dinners and gifts, which means that her lifestyle will be better compared to most men who fund it just because she has a pussy and uses it to breed. I'm not even talking about men with minimum wage jobs, I mean those who went to college, did everything they were supposed to do and got reasonably good jobs.

I don't think things are this bad in the US as in Western Europe, but wait and see what happens. Democrats and feminists are working on it.

[jimukr104]

^^well lucky i am old enough not to notice it lol

[Shrodax]

Yahoo kinda buried the most fucked up part of the Carnell Alexander story, which is that "he learned about the paternity case against him during a traffic stop in Detroit in the early 90s" and the kid was born in 1987. The family court system, based solely on the lying words of a unwed mother, has made this innocent man's life complete hell for over 20 years. Shameful.

I have seen some truly disgusting things in my life thanks to the Internet. I have seen women having sex with dogs and horses. I have seen men be executed and commit suicide. I have even been exposed to child pornography when I used to browse /b/ years ago.

But this might truly be the most disgusting thing I have ever encountered.

[Kabal]

An omnipresent, overzealous central authority chasing after men to pay for the bastard children of women who are disproportionately low in IQ and impulse control, and thus encouraging the further production of low-IQ and low-impulse control spawn?

Is this the premise of a dystopian novel by an author inspired by The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, 1984, and the legacy of William Shockley?

Nope, just everyday life in late 20th to 21st century United States.

[Samseau]

(01-26-2015 06:23 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 05:46 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

It's time to stop rewarding single mothers. Giving birth out of wedlock (or outside of monogamy) should be a massive burden that noone would want to take on. If they can't get a job for some reason and need welfare open work camps they can go to for minimum wage shoveling shit or something. If they don't want to do that they lose the kid and it's a misdemenor or felony. I feel for the kids but there's no way to ensure that welfare/child support money is actually helping the kids and not paying for purses, shoes, drugs and makeup.

Let's get real: this is not going to happen. Actually, things will likely get even worse for us men. There are European countries where a single mother without a job and on welfare can get a better house/apartment in a better neighborhood than a young single guy with a pretty good professional job who pays taxes to fund her lifestyle. She might not have a lot of money left after feeding her kinds and buying them clothes, but if she is not ugly, she'll always have a bunch of beta suckers lined up to buy her drinks, dinners and gifts, which means that her lifestyle will be better compared to most men who fund it just because she has a pussy and uses it to breed. I'm not even talking about men with minimum wage jobs, I mean those who went to college, did everything they were supposed to do and got reasonably good jobs.

I don't think things are this bad in the US as in Western Europe, but wait and see what happens. Democrats and feminists are working on it.

Exactly. Especially with the demographic crunch many Euro countries are facing, they are going to do anything they can to incentivize having children. This means "No man? No problem!"

[draketton]

(01-26-2015 06:23 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 05:46 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

It's time to stop rewarding single mothers. Giving birth out of wedlock (or outside of monogamy) should be a massive burden that noone would want to take on. If they can't get a job for some reason and need welfare open work camps they can go to for minimum wage shoveling shit or something. If they don't want to do that they lose the kid and it's a misdemenor or felony. I feel for the kids but there's no way to ensure that welfare/child support money is actually helping the kids and not paying for purses, shoes, drugs and makeup.

Let's get real: this is not going to happen. Actually, things will likely get even worse for us men. There are European countries where a single mother without a job and on welfare can get a better house/apartment in a better neighborhood than a young single guy with a pretty good professional job who pays taxes to fund her lifestyle. She might not have a lot of money left after feeding her kinds and buying them clothes, but if she is not ugly, she'll always have a bunch of beta suckers lined up to buy her drinks, dinners and gifts, which means that her lifestyle will be better compared to most men who fund it just because she has a pussy and uses it to breed. I'm not even talking about men with minimum wage jobs, I mean those who went to college, did everything they were supposed to do and got reasonably good jobs.

I don't think things are this bad in the US as in Western Europe, but wait and see what happens. Democrats and feminists are working on it.

The european version sounds better to me.

In europe, the cost of supporting a single mom is spread across her entire country, such that no individual citizen experiences a noticeable loss of money as a result. In the US, the cost of supporting a single mom is lumped on to one innocent man, who suddenly has to live in poverty or go to jail. There are two powerful negative consequences the US system has that the european one doesn't.

1, a group of individuals who have been falsely labeled as fathers and directly fleeced by the system. These individuals now bear a white-hot grudge against their state and nation. This grudge could turn into a messy and expensive legal battle, or it could turn into a mass shooting.

2, a group of individuals who follow the news closely and realize that if they behave as good, productive members of society, this could be their reward. This is an incentive to opt out, to go galt, whatever you want to call it.

Even if the european system moves more total money it wins out for not creating so many grudges.

[TravelerKai]

(01-26-2015 05:59 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  

Wanna know another dirty little secret that family court & the state govt keep to themselves?

The amount you are paying out every month takes a little detour before it even gets to her greedy hands

The state tries to position themselves as the moral authority and go-between for the custodial parent & non-custodial parents, but in reality they are little more than pimps taking their cream off the top before passing it on to be divvied up to the kids

Yeah in the form of "court fees" or "administrative processing".

It's the same as anything else in this country. It's always about the god damned money.

Why don't they punish drunk drivers harder and actually permanently remove licenses for repeat offenders? Money. The average DWI/DUI can cost you over 10,000 dollars. Alcohol classes, court fees and fines, blow machines on your car, etc. They don't want you to go to jail they want you to beat you to death financially under the guise that they want to give you another chance in society. If they really cared, they would not let you drive anymore and help the public transportation industries take care of that demand.

It's never about public safety or health. It's always about the fucking money. Don't even get me started on traffic courts...

[bojangles]

This is disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful. I'm no MRA but this could happen to any of us, I could be passing through Michigan, talk to some random lizard, not even have sex with her and she could claim I'm the dad, even if I'm in the UK at the time of conception. Disgusting.

[DJ-Matt]

Plus women were the ones who made DUI laws so fucked up, remember MADD? I'm not for people out driving around killing people, but the numbers they put forth to get the laws tightened were bullshit from the start. Instead of cops keeping me from getting robbed or killed they're on that shit late at night.

[TravelerKai]

(01-27-2015 10:12 AM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

Plus women were the ones who made DUI laws so fucked up, remember MADD? I'm not for people out driving around killing people, but the numbers they put forth to get the laws tightened were bullshit from the start. Instead of cops keeping me from getting robbed or killed they're on that shit late at night.

Actually they did not fuck them up. Greedy lawyers and judges put in institutions of graft to pull new and additional revenue off what was supposed to be used to stop people from doing this. Drunk driving deaths and issues are still a bane on this society, but they wont dole out the punishments already on the law books because they want you to pay for all this shit instead, especially if you just got caught and did not kill someone. That's bullshit. MADD was overall good for this country because drunk driving deaths were ridiculous back then. People's entire family getting destroyed over shit like this.

Europe has zero tolerance for that shit and they don't have nearly as many deaths as we do. American roads can be like the wild west and all these fines do nothing.

[Hardy Daytona]

   

We need a goddamn army of Peter Finch's before madness like this stops.

[CactusCat589]

I'd legitimately consider taking drastic action in the man's place, and end up going for jail for something deserving of it.

[Rawmeo]

I hope he will defend himself to the fullest extent possible. If a child isn't yours, you have no responsibility, period. I'd place my money offshore and run away rather than paying to raise a bastard child.

It's time that we stop supporting single moms (I mean girls who have kids outside a relationship, not divorced moms).

I'm glad that child support laws in Thailand make more sense than US laws. If I'm not married to a girl, I have no legal obligation to pay child support, even if I'm the father. I could knock up a girl and just tell her to fuck off. And there is no such thing as paying child support for a kid that isn't yours.

This being said, I told my girlfriend that no matter what happens, if we have children, we will need a paternity test. Simply to have a 100% clear mind about everything and never have doubt if a man sends me an e-mail "hey how's my son doing?". And she was fine with it.

[Grange]

What I never saw in that story (which I didn't read too much about) was how this woman had fraudulently applied for benefits and gotten them but was never brought up again. It's obvious she made it up, so how about some kind of punishment?

[AntiTrace]

(01-26-2015 05:59 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  

Wanna know another dirty little secret that family court & the state govt keep to themselves?

The amount you are paying out every month takes a little detour before it even gets to her greedy hands

The state tries to position themselves as the moral authority and go-between for the custodial parent & non-custodial parents, but in reality they are little more than pimps taking their cream off the top before passing it on to be divvied up to the kids

What do you mean? They take a % off the top?

It would seem obvious if your odered to pay, say $500 a month, and only $450 gets deposited.