Quote: (10-22-2015 05:01 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:
The crux of the issue is that many women for some reason think that men find the same things attractive in women that they find attractive in men. They need to stop 'Projecting' as was once cool for them to say.
Indeed.
I think there needs to be a concerted effort to push this into mainstream culture, that men get to decide what men find attractive. No more morbidly obese 'models' and aggressive cunts.
Quote: (10-22-2015 05:50 PM)Excelsior Wrote:
As is to be expected, this woman talks herself into circles in her bid to rationalize things.
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In 2015, there are many men who will claim they want a ‘smart, ambitious woman’, but I’ve noticed it often doesn’t play out that way in reality, and there are plenty of studies [1, 2] to corroborate my anecdotal evidence. It also doesn’t mean men expect their ‘ambitious’ wife to stay that way after marriage. An HBR study finds that 50% of millennial men expect their wife’s career to take a back-seat to theirs (vs. equal priority), and nearly 70% expect the wife to be the primary caretaker of their children (vs. equal responsibility). Even more daunting for some men are ‘progressive relationships’ - where the female may have a busier schedule, a more powerful network, and achieve more career success than her male partner. A University of Chicago study shows a woman and man are much less likely to pair up if her income exceeds his.
My instinct is that she is criticizing this state of affairs - she'd prefer that the bolded not be the case and would criticize men for making it the case. The problem is that men haven't made it the case - female choice is also underlying this state of affairs, and this woman proved it earlier with this statement:
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After business school, I entered back into the world of singledom after the end of a 5 year relationship. It became clear that I had effectively qualified out a large pool of guys that were simply not interested in dating an alpha female.
I was an over-educated, career-obsessed wanna-be tech executive with little interest in playing the 'traditional' doting girlfriend.
And to be fair, I qualified out guys that didn’t share my same drive to achieve, level of intellect, or desire to be in a relationship where our careers and social lives were of equal importance.
She's trying to mention it in passing here, but the words speak very loudly: she didn't want to date down.
Like most human females (who, like most great apes, are sexually hypergamous), she sought a male who was at or above her socio-economic and intellectual level. That means that, having made herself into a "over-educated, career obsessed wanna-be tech executive" with a Carnegie Mellon degree and an MBA, lots of men were off the table for her. She wasn't going to be considering construction workers, soldiers, truck drivers, police officers, or any number of blue collar-men whose levels of education and socio-economic standing felt inferior to her "highly educated" self.
This informs the bit earlier where she laments the fact that men hate relationships in which women outearn/outwork them and that men and women are less likely to pair up when that is the case. Men know that women want men at or above their socio-economic/intellectual level and when faced with men below that level they, like this woman, tend to shy away or show dissatisfaction. If I enter a relationship with you and you establish yourself in a place that is above me professionally, financially, and so on, I have now become the very man you openly admit to shying away from: they guy who is below your level and eligible only to be "qualified out".
Why would a guy sign up for that? It doesn't work for men and, in this author's own admission, it doesn't really seem to work for women either. Nobody wants it, so why assume (as so many highly educated women do) that its lack of prevalence or acceptance is down to patriarchal sexism or male chauvinism?
Very well stated.
Regarding the part I bolded, it's interesting to note that these women can use all the euphemisms they want such as 'educated', 'hard working', 'high achieving', but it's basically just trying to shame men with money to date them instead of more attractive women.
Construction workers, police officers…all very good careers. Yet, the earning potential may not be there, so they're out. Nothing about character, honesty, loyalty. Which shows, although this has always been obvious, that these women have absolutely no moral high ground. As I've mentioned, I have a few friends in blue-collar jobs who do just fine financially, and also are of the highest character and decency. These women would never consider them, which is just fine because all of these guys are married to far more attractive and pleasant women.
These women complain about men wanting a woman who will pay more attention to the kids and family as if that is a bad thing. It's called 'compassion'. Furthermore, most men seek a woman who is kind, pleasant and nurturing, which is exactly three more personality traits than these women care about. They just want a guy with money who will do whatever they tell them to do. No guy worth his salt is signing up for a massively egotistical woman who is, simply put, not physically attractive.
Bottom line is if I showed up to a singles event and saw this:
and this
I'd run for the hills.
The young women I'm currently involved with is 26. She's not the hottest girl in the world, and I don't care. But she's cute, fit and pleasant, certainly far more attractive in each way than the women in these photos. And I didn't have to go to an 'elite' event to meet her. Likewise, she didn't have to act like an aggressive, egotistical cunt to meet me. Funny how that works.