[Moma]

Fools gold, what do you mean you will get murdered easily in Canada? Murdered by what?

[bojangles]

(01-31-2015 11:24 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Fools gold, what do you mean you will get murdered easily in Canada? Murdered by what?

A fat feminist suffocating you in the bedroom with her size HH tits?

[DjembaDjemba]

Feminism is a bogeyman. As Western Cancer said earlier in this thread, theres a plethora of hot, feminine, easily fuckable girls all across Canada (not just Montreal!). Toronto should not be the yardstick of all female interactions in the country.

The question that the OP asked is which one is better for making money? In Canada the wages are higher, and the cost of living is lower. You'll be financially better off. Lifestyle it'll depend on the type of lifestyle you want.

There are downsides. Canada is always at the mercy of global movers and shakers (Oil - Saudis, Manufacturing - Americans, Money Markets - London/NYC etc), and the country seems to be financially stagnating now. But overall for a young buck out to make a name for himself and build a future, few places beat Canada.

Of course that it still depends on career path and drive.

[Foolsgo1d]

(01-31-2015 11:24 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Fools gold, what do you mean you will get murdered easily in Canada? Murdered by what?

Made a mistake of included Canada in there.

Pretty sure the Moose are the deadly factor over there.

[Constitution45]

Depends if we are talking about "normal" men here or "red pill" men. It is subjective as I am talking from personal experience. For me the East is where its at.... lower taxes, way better women, more adventure, room for start ups. If you want to have a comfortable existence, strong safety net, women with substantial weight but give good blow jobs; then I say the U.K would be perfect for you. But you have to pay the price of mediocrity. Again this is all subjective, depending on your qualifications, experience and background. There are wealthy internationals I know of, who are bankrolled and will tear up places like London, New York; they will be literal play grounds for them. The reason why I made the distinction between "normal" men and "red pill men" is because really if you have the inclination of getting success and making money, I believe that you can do it pretty much anywhere. Although some places the grass is literally greener and it comes down to personality and personal preference.

For example realistically, you could easily move up to the upper middle class in China, if you picked the right city, did you research right and I am just talking about just doing ESL teaching here, let alone working for the big multinational companies. A young man from the West, with a decent education and good social skills really can make it in a lot of places, especially these emerging economies.

[Nascimento]

Resurrecting this thread. Plenty of insight here.

[britchard]

Going purely off the thread title, Canada is better as living costs are much lower, and wages maybe slightly better not including London, although the oil sands gravy train looks like it's finished.

Having said that, small-town life in the UK can be great. You are surrounded by your family and friends, go to the pub twice a week, watch the football at the weekends and smash sluts. Many guys are completely happy like this. Don't forget the annual holiday to somewhere like the south of Spain.

In some places up North or in the South-West, I'd say around 90% of people have family in the immediate area (walking distance) and the family unit is pretty strong.

Something to ponder- do you think that the guys who said 2 years ago when this thread started that the UK is more socialist than Canada, would say the same now?

[Jack Of All Trades]

the oilsands gravy train is over till oil hits 100$/bbl again, as for wages and living costs I wouldn't be so sure about that. In major cities like toronto and vancouver it's getting really out of control for rents and wages haven't increased at all in many industries.

[rudebwoy]

Canada if you have a family.

UK if you are single.

I have lived in both countries, I love the quality of life in Canada. The highest in the world that I have seen.

UK is amazing if you are single and you want to see Europe. The quality of life is low and it is a grinding lifestyle.

[DjembaDjemba]

(12-30-2016 06:01 PM)britchard Wrote:  

Going purely off the thread title, Canada is better as living costs are much lower, and wages maybe slightly better not including London, although the oil sands gravy train looks like it's finished.

Having said that, small-town life in the UK can be great. You are surrounded by your family and friends, go to the pub twice a week, watch the football at the weekends and smash sluts. Many guys are completely happy like this. Don't forget the annual holiday to somewhere like the south of Spain.

In some places up North or in the South-West, I'd say around 90% of people have family in the immediate area (walking distance) and the family unit is pretty strong.

Something to ponder- do you think that the guys who said 2 years ago when this thread started that the UK is more socialist than Canada, would say the same now?

Canada has always been economically less socialist than the UK, and has always been far left on social issues. That's how its been since the creation of the confederation, and how it will probably remain unless something incredible and exogenous happens.

Our constitutionally embedded Charter of Rights and Freedoms will always keep us left of most other western democracies on the social issues. While the legislative heft of the major urban centres and our much higher level of diversity will keep us right of the UK on most economic matters.

The UK conservative party goes through bouts of populist convulsions, going back to the days of Benjamin Disraeli. The Canadian conservatives have generally avoided the populist pitfalls and stuck to the small government purism, even after bringing Reform into the fold (Reform - the culturally conservative wing of Canada's conservatives).

As for the oil; the gravy train is finished, but oil isn't the only industry in Canada. We're not Saudi, or Russia.

The future is even brighter with our signing of CETA, Canada might become a backdoor for businesses willing to trade with Europe from the US and Mexico. That'll only increase opportunities for making money down the line and increase the number of corporate HQs and operations in the country.

I'd still choose Canada, as single or married.

[Jack Of All Trades]

^Agreed, Canada's a good place. The real question isn't about canada, it's more about which cities and which provinces. I'd completely avoid ontario in the future, it's really becoming a sinking ship.

[DjembaDjemba]

(01-12-2017 05:42 PM)Jack Of All Trades Wrote:  

^Agreed, Canada's a good place. The real question isn't about canada, it's more about which cities and which provinces. I'd completely avoid ontario in the future, it's really becoming a sinking ship.

This is quite true and pertinent to the way modern economies behave.

Cities and suburbs are where the jobs and money are, with the rural inland areas starting to fall behind. This trend is starting to accelerate in Alberta and Saskatchewan too.

In Ontario this had happened in the 90s and early 2000s.

Ontario as a whole might be a sinking ship, but the cities of Toronto, Hamilton, Brampton, Oakville, Mississauga and Ottawa are quite dynamic and have been generating wealth for the province and the country consistently for the last three decades.

Contrast to the UK, the only place that has seen solid consistent economic growth has been [the city of] London.

[Nascimento]

If Ontario's supposedly sinking, where's the place to be in the near future?

As I currently understand it, Alberta's been a go-to but it's going to be a while until it recovers. BC centers around Vancouver which is probably the best place to be in Canada, but it's extremely expensive.

QC you either speak French or you have an in (in) Montreal, and cope with high taxes. Maritimes have solely Halifax which historically hasn't been the best for $$$ but I've heard lately that this could be changing.

SK has Saskatoon which is apparently a great place to be (?). Aside from the isolation and being a bore for many people, I've heard only good things about the place. As for Manitoba and Winnipeg I can't comment but it's probably not worth it anyway.

Ontario has Toronto & GTA which is the center of everything, with the good and bad that brings. Ottawa could be the choice in getting the good out of Ontario while avoiding much of the bad (most of the negatives of Ontario seem to come from the GTA). Other big cities could be worthwhile for some people; Waterloo, London, Kingston... But those places are too small to be suitable for anyone on the up and coming.

Again that's how I currently see things. Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong and add additional perspective.

[Teedub]

(01-13-2017 12:37 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Contrast to the UK, the only place that has seen solid consistent economic growth has been [the city of] London.

That's not true. Manchester, for example, has seen lots of growth in recent years, with plenty of foreign investment in real estate, and businesses moving their premises there.

[RBerkley]

United Kingdom probably for working in the finance sector & fucking chicks with British accents on a Saturday night. Before Brexit, living in the UK opened up opportunities to work in the European Union.

Fort Mac, Alberta, Canada to work in a trade in the oil industry. I’ve read that Scotian earns enough bank working a few months per year, that he stays in Colombia, South America for several months per year on his Canadian salary.

Saskatchewan and BC you can learn a trade too & work in the natural resources sector which pays good money.

Montreal is fine for lower rent & more feminine chicks, but jobs are not that plentiful.
The Province of Ontario is alright in cities like Ottawa, Kitchener-Waterloo metro city, but avoid any expensive major city if you aren’t offered a well-paying job as yet.

There is a struggle in Canada regarding "Canadian experience" to get foreign credentials recognized & it's best to apply for multi-national corporations where there isn't that much "nationalism" in the job market.

I’d say that Alberta, Saskatchewan, BC & Quebec are feasible places to live overall in Canuckland...

[da_zeb]

The OP's original question was about which country it was easier to make money in. But this begs a further question - how much money and to what purpose? Do you want to be a 1 percenter or are you just looking to earn a comfortable income that leaves you with enough time and money that allows you to pursue the lifestyle you want.

If it's the former then the UK is the only choice. If it's the latter then it really depends on how you hope to make your money and what you plan to do with it.

If you're looking to work in the blue collar trades then I would give the nod to Canada with the proviso that if you're looking to build any sort of light manufacturing business then the UK would be a better choice.

On the other hand if you're intending to earn money through services or retail then the UK is going to be a better place to do that than Canada.

It comes down to the different opportunities to be found in a "Nation of Shopkeepers" vs one of "Hewers of Wood and Drawers of Water".

One thing in the UK's favour is the ease of starting and administrating a limited company, the opportunities to avoid tax through careful financial planning (including offshoring) and the low cost and ease of shipping product. The latter is really just down to the difference between having a population of about 60 million people crammed into an area slightly more than half the size of California vs one of 35 million spread out across the breadth of a continent.

With respect to the cost of living, I've seen a lot of people proclaim Canada the winner, but I don't think that's so clear cut. Both countries have advantages and disadvantages particular to each.

At current exchange rates the £6.70 UK minimum wage is equivalent to the $10.85 minimum wage you get in British Columbia.

Let's consider prices on range of goods and services between the UK and British Columbia

Petrol/Gas
Surrey UK - £1.06/L
Surrey BC - $1.24/L
Advantage Canada

Basic Accomodation
900 sq ft 2 Bedroom Basement Suite Surrey BC $1150/month
560 sq ft 2 Bedroom basic apartment Addlestone, Surrey, £1000/month
Advantage Canada

Upscale accomodation
625 sq ft 2 Bedroom high rise apartment Surrey BC $1425/month
600 sq ft 2 Bedroom top floor flat next to River Thames, Chertsey Surrey £1295/month
On Paper Advantage Canada (but really depends on what you want)

Mobile/Cell phone contract
O2 Mobile contract - 250 Minutes/unlimited texts/250mb data - £10/month
Rogers Mobile contract - 200 Canada-wide minutes/unlimited evening calling/unlimited texts/200mb - $50/month
Advantage UK

Typical paperback novel
£8.99 RRP*
$22.00 RRP
*may be sold much cheaper - typically 2 for £7 in supermarkets
Advantage UK

Skim milk
Real Canadian Superstore Dairyland 1L -$2.20
Tesco 1.136L/2pts - £0.75
Advantage UK

Oyster Bay Sauvignon Blanc
BC Liquor Stores $17.99
Tesco £9.75
Advantage UK

Travel
Tsawwassen to Schwartz Bay (Victoria) by Coach/Ferry $105
Return Eurostar London to Paris £58
Advantage UK

Other costs are going to be much more subjective. For example, if you're in the market for a used car, you'll get a nicer speced vehicle for a much lower price than you will in Canada. On the other hand, you also need to pay road tax (up to £500/yr) and have an annual MOT test and depending on your circumstances, insurance may be more (BC has an annual licensing fee I believe, no road worthiness testing aside from emissions testing in the Lower mainland, and government insurance through ICBC).

[The Beast1]

A common over looked variable in all of this is weather.

While England isn't a tropical paradise, it's still rather temperate year round. If you don't mind rain and a stable and mild temperature England winds hands down.

Canada has more extremes and tends towards super hot/muggy in the summer to freezing cold in the winter with the exception being British Columbia.

It really depends on what you want.