[Dalaran1991]

Many of you should be familiar with Shawna Lenee.



Today she sent a mass email with a pretty big title. Normally I ignore since it's usually some kind of ads, but this one is about a horrible date she went on.

Sounds pretty authentic and I don't see why she would make that up. Usually they only make up stories about how pathetic guys are in bed in order to promote products. Anyway story is as followed. Italics are my comments.

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OK, I know it’s late…and I probably shouldn’t be writing this...

I might be a little bit EMOTIONAL….

But I have just had one of the WORST nights of my life…

Let me tell you what happened.

I haven’t had much luck with dating recently… (really? A smoking porn star can possibly have bad luck with dating? I call bullshit but whatever)

I’d met a guy recently who I thought I liked…But somehow, that sort of fizzled out. Our personalities just didn’t “click”…

So a girlfriend of mine persuaded me to try one of those online dating services…

Which I had resisted for a long time…But since I was so desperate to find a QUALITY man… (even a whore wants to find a quality man... shouldn't she has a huge harem of men to choose from from her subscribers? )

I thought, what have I got to lose? I gave it a shot and created a profile.

Right away, I got a lot of replies.

But one really stood out. A good looking guy, seemed like he was in great shape…About 35, he even had what seemed like a pretty good job as a securities trader.

I wrote him back, and we messaged each other back and forth a few times. He seemed smart, and even kind of funny online…So I agreed to set up a date.

I know I shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up..But I’ll admit, I was pretty excited about seeing him! =)

So when the night came, I got all dressed up in a tight little black dress and some heels…And met him at a French restaurant called Le Petit Chateau near my place in Toluca Lake… (will guys ever learn not to go on a dinner date????)

There he was, at the bar. I recognized him from his photo online.

I approached him and said hello. Right away I noticed he was drinking this fruity cocktail…A dacquiri...

I thought to myself…Aren’t those drinks for GIRLS?

I didn’t say anything, but I’ll admit…It was a bit of a turn-off.

Still, I remembered how charming he had been in his messages online…”I’ll give him a chance,” I thought to myself.

We sat down at our table. He was just as good-looking as his photos suggested, and dressed well…

But he avoided making eye contact with me as we spoke. Almost like he was intimidated by me…

Gone was the witty, charming guy I had messaged online. It was like this was a totally different person!

Worse, he was looking down at his smart phone half the time…I don’t know if he was texting or what, but that is a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

So far, things weren’t going that well…

I tried to make conversation with him, asking what he did for fun. At first, he went off for about 15 minutes about his job…None of which I understood.

I tried to change the subject, and asked him what he liked to do for fun.

At that point, he whipped out his phone again and showed me a bunch of videos he had taken of his cat and uploaded to youtube.

Yeah.

Seriously.

Thankfully, the waiter came by right then to take our order. I ordered the roasted chicken and a white wine, he ordered a steak salad and a glass of sparkling water.

At this point, I had pretty much written off the date as a total bust…But it’s what happened next that really blew my mind so much I just HAD to tell you about it.

So, when the food comes, my meal arrives as I ordered it…But instead of a steak salad, the waiter just brings my date a tiny little side salad…

No meat…Just some tomatoes, lettuce, a few croutons.

He looks unhappy about it…But to my surprise, he doesn’t say anything to the waiter.

Instead, he just starts timidly picking at his salad.

“Aren’t you going to say anything?” I ask.

And he just says “No, I don’t want to make any trouble. I’ll just Yelp about it later.”
Pretty sure he mean yelp like a yelping bitch
WHAT?? I was shocked.

I gulped my wine and tried to eat as quickly as possible.

Finally, after a pretty awkward meal…The bill arrives.

He offers to split it with me, right down the middle. What a gentleman!

“Fine,” I say, just wanting to get out of there.

And then I look down at the bill…And I see that they’ve charged us for a steak salad!

There’s no way I’m paying for half of a steak salad this dude didn’t even eat! So I call over the waiter and make a big stink about it.

What does my date do? His face turns beet red, and he actually gets up and excuses himself to the bathroom as I complain to the manager about not getting our order right.

I didn’t end up having to pay full price. But I was steamed that I had to be the one to deal with it!

Finally, we get out of there…

Not that I would have let him anyways, but this guy doesn’t even have the balls to make a move on me.

He actually just shakes my hand and walks off…He doesn’t even walk me to my car!!

I wanted to scream!!

So here I am back at home, alone…

I’ve had a couple glasses of wine, and here’s what I want to know….

Why are men today so WIMPY?

Because this is not the first time I’ve gone out with a WUSS like this!

Are there even any REAL MEN out there anymore?

I mean, today men aren’t even “men”….they’re “guys” or “dudes”…

And they can barely take care of themselves….They’re really more like children than men, always playing their video games…

Either that or they’re glued to their cell phones or their iPads.

A lot of these “guys” spend so much time online, they don’t even know how to talk to a real woman when they meet one in real life.

Which means girls like me end up having to date a lot of inconsiderate JERKS just because they’re the only ones who have the BALLS to even approach us!

And don’t get me started on the metrosexuals…Guys who spend more time in the mirror doing their hair than I do!

Ugh!

Where are all the REAL MEN??

Guys who know how to fix a flat tire…

Guys who work hard to take care of their families and who don’t back down from a fight when someone is trying to rip them off…

Guys who know how to treat a woman, too…In the bedroom AND outside of it.

A real man is tough, a little bit macho…But he’s also a gentleman.

It seems like in the past, there used to be a lot more of them, those REAL MEN…

Maybe that’s why I find older guys so much sexier, usually…Guys like Clint Eastwood, for example. Now there’s a guy who has never uploaded a cat video to Youtube, you can bet on that!

If you ask me, something’s changed in this country in the past 30 years or so…

What is it?

Is it because today’s “guys” grow up playing with dolls - sorry, “action figures” - rather than playing with guns?

Or because their parents were all so overprotective they made them wear helmets and knee pads whenever they rode their bikes?

Or how about the fact that now, there aren’t even any winners or losers at sports anymore. Everyone gets a trophy! What kind of world is this?

I actually feel bad for the next generation…They’re gonna be awfully poorly prepared for the REAL WORLD with that kind of education.

Or maybe it’s our “nanny state”…Big government taking care of everybody, so everyone ends up feeling entitled. No wonder these guys are like overgrown children…

I want a REAL MAN!

Are there any left?

That’s what I want to know?

Am I way off target here?

Please write me back and let me know if you agree with me.

And if so, I’d LOVE to hear your explanation for why all the real men are disappearing in this country!

Anyways…Sorry for the rant…

I know I don’t normally get this riled up…And maybe I shouldn’t even hit the “Send” button on this…

But I just had to get this off my chest…It’s just how I really feel!

Moral of the story? Don't take a pornstar on a dinner date, just fuck her already

But assuming the story was true, I can't believe guys can actually fuck up this bad. Even in my beta days if I knew I would be on a date with a hot chick I would make pretty damn sure I've got a plan.

The guy basically fails every principle of game down to the T. No eye contact, shitty inner game, non-existent kino, no backbone, no leading/taking charge, no sexual vibe. Jesus at least be a dick and tell her you wanna fuck her.

It's kinda sad really when even a pornstar has to scream about wanting traditional masculinity back. She can thank her feminist sisters. Wait, don't feminists want to destroy porn industry too?

[The Reactionary Tree]

That dude sounds like a total chode. I mean he doesnt even seem like a real person.

Drinking a daiquiri?

For fun he takes pictures of his kitty cat?

Wont correct his order but will complain about it on Yelp?

Wont make eye contact?

Shakes her hand at the end, not even a hug?

[Vaun]

two things, either this is real, and its representative of most of the 'regular' guys I see going on dates in the US. Or, she is about to hit up your inbox with a fantastic offer for a revolutionary new way to "get her into bed."

[Gopnik]

Further evidence that feminism hurts women (assuming it's true).

[turkishcandy]

The first half of it, I actually agree with her. What an annoying simp (assuming it's all true)... The second half is about a pornstar complaining about why she can't find a real gentleman

She actually said the words that we often use as a satire to describe hamsterish mentality of today's entitled modern cunt ''Where are all the REAL MEN??'' Oh boy, this is gold...

[iamdegaussed]

"Not having luck dating" = probably giving off a few too many slut tells to the men she WANTS to commit to her.

[Dalaran1991]

I actually think she makes one good point. Too many men spend way too much time in online dating where they can craft the perfect messages from the relative safety of their keyboards with about a dozen tabs open on "how to write the perfect message". Then they go out in real life and realize they have zero actual skills with women.

Online game should only be part of your game and never the entirety of it.

[Hedonistic Traveler]

I'm getting the feeling that this is a fake. Did you receive the email? I googled some quotes and nothing showed up but this thread.

On the off chance that it is true a guy like this would be in the 1% when it comes to being a bitch, why would she pick him out of the hundreds of dudes who would have hit her up on OkCupid? And while her comments are accurate, I'm not sure if a porn star should be the one bitching about a shift in societal norms.

[britchard]

There were 2 ways he could have taken the conversation.

1. Ask her about her job (assuming he doesn't know already) and just ask her about everything, I'm sure porn stars have a lot to say.

2. Don't fuck up game.

[The Reactionary Tree]

I also enjoyed her little libertarian rant against the nanny state.

She gets a "WB" from me!

[MrXY]

I've heard similar stories and complaints from young women about young men, so it could have happened.

I've never heard of her, but she must be a hard worker; she has 530 clips on xvideos alone

This may take a while.......

[kazz]

Ok then, enters Shawna Lenee porn in google

[Saladin]

With these kind of sexual girls, you're pretty much going to get laid if you avoid any mistakes. But most men do absolutely everything wrong.

This goes to show there's actually a lot of work involved in "not fuck up game". Modern society conditions men to express behaviors that actively dry up pussy, it takes a lot of inner work and effort to break out of that and act the way men naturally should.

I've fucked up before as well, although nowhere to this extent. As time gets on, I learn from my mistakes and slowly improve.

[MrXY]

The sexual market in the US is so skewed in favor of women by demographics, feminism, social media and online dating that one mistake can cost you the bang.

Women have so many options they will disqualify a man for seemingly trivial things that they think signal his lack of alphahood. Women are much sluttier than in the past, but they are slutting it up largely with the same guys in the top tier who have high level game.

You just are not going to get new notches regularly in the US unless you have tight game

[Mr. B]

Given this actually happened...

Obvious bias in her story. She made him to be defective, a lame, and sub par while both pandering to white knights and downplaying her role in the date. Typical.

She smacks of gold digger (securities trader = $), entitlement princess (deserves a real man although she's on the literal vag for cash plan), and status whore (bitchy about the venue). Hit reply; type, "cool story, hun"; click send.

I'm sure he turned beat red when she "made a big stink" (threw a tantrum) about the bill. There is little more unsightly than a money grubbing ball busting entitlement princess not getting her way in a venue beyond her class.

She wouldn't know real alpha if he popped her in the pooper. Probably never will. Once she cannot literally trade her ass for cash - post wall - she will be "smiling and dialing" all the beta guys (like this chump) she can.

Until then she will continue to look for snowflake validation by beta shaming suckered men for not meeting HER head fucked/skewed definition of "real man" alpha. When she does find her "real man" she will shit test the ever loving fuck out of him to prove he isn't.

[Canopus]

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Maybe that’s why I find older guys so much sexier, usually…Guys like Clint Eastwood, for example. Now there’s a guy who has never uploaded a cat video to Youtube, you can bet on that!

[alexdagr81]

I read her interview on: AdultDVDtalk?

Her personality is in total reverse here. She wants a real man in this email and hates the nanny state, but in that interview she says she's a feminist and the education system needs to change it's stance on sex education (pregnancy prevention of course is most important). She's a teen mom too, so there's that (the kid is 10).

My partiality says she's clearly putting on a front, but I give people the benefit of the doubt.

[Phoenix]

How can you actually date a pornstar though?
Dating is the lead-up to sex for a normal girl. For a pornstar the lead-up is arriving at studio and getting naked while dudes set up cameras. A date for them is probably confusing.

[jariel]

[Praetor Lupus]

(01-11-2015 09:23 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

Or, she is about to hit up your inbox with a fantastic offer for a revolutionary new way to "get her into bed."

I, too, was waiting for the sales pitch. It had pretty much the exact same structure I've read a thousand times before. It was just missing the PayPal logo.

Assuming she isn't selling anything, I'd be willing to bet that a thousand thirsty motherfuckers will write back to her agreeing completely and promising that no date with them would be that bad.

There are worse ways of getting attention, I suppose.

(01-11-2015 12:03 PM)alexdagr81 Wrote:  

She wants a real man in this email and hates the nanny state, but in that interview she says she's a feminist...

As I keep saying, feminists will get the men they deserve.

[monster]

Do contract porn stars even write their own email newsletters?

I'd think they'd be outsourced to PR firms. This is probably one of the date experiences of one of the PR lackeys. This is pretty high quality copy (well-punctuated, well-organized, engrossing) for the blogger-age and I have a hard time believing it's written by a porn star who never graduated high school.

It's too good to be true. Everyone of her fans reading it is going to be telling himself, "I'm your real man, baby - I am the confident gentleman your date was not!" and hence it builds that asymmetric rapport that's essential to a profitable producer-consumer relationship.

[The Father]

I've never dated a porn star or even a stripper, but I imagine you'd have to game them the way PUAs suggest to game 10s...with a lot of bravado and negs.

But unlike a lot of guys, I could see myself dating one if the opportunity came up...imagine a stunning young hottie with real tits whom you've been spanking to for the past year...like August Ames...yeah I'd dinner date it! I'd be contemptuous of her past: "That fake stuff you do for money doesn't impress me...I'm interested in a woman who can passionately make love FOR REAL". Put her on the defensive. BTW I don't really talk that way..."make passionate love"...but for a girl who's been paid to fuck it seems like the right tone and a welcome change of perspective.

I think you'd also have to make some statement in there that shows you don't judge her, that you are dating her because you think she's had an interesting life not because you want an easy lay...I have to imagine a lot of them meet guys who think they are crazy sluts. But the reality is, I'd just be there for the action - most of these girls are on drugs, have been sexually abused, etc. Getting involved emotionally with that seems as wise as putting your dick in a blender and pushing the "pulse" button :/ But the trick is not to show them that. I guess it's like the old saying "treat a lady like a whore and a whore like a lady". But not too much of a lady - can't be beta. Hence my DQ above about not being impressed with her on - camera action.

Biggest fear at dating a PS: That when I pulled it out she'd giggle, or roll her eyes. At this point, I'd probably remind her that I could do pushups with my tongue...

Anyway. This is all rather silly. I likely won't be dating any porn stars. And neither will you. And that's a GOOD thing!

[OBERYN_]

I don't believe this story is true but I'll give this give "lady" the locations of the men she seeks. They are all around here. They're blue collar guys driving Silverados, wearing boots with boot on them, and Levis. They are the type of man a woman like her in Southern California would not know of their existence.

[Avon Barksdale]

(01-11-2015 12:03 PM)alexdagr81 Wrote:  

I read her interview on: AdultDVDtalk?

Her personality is in total reverse here. She wants a real man in this email and hates the nanny state, but in that interview she says she's a feminist and the education system needs to change it's stance on sex education (pregnancy prevention of course is most important). She's a teen mom too, so there's that (the kid is 10).

My partiality says she's clearly putting on a front, but I give people the benefit of the doubt.

I forgot who said it on the forum, but "Women say one thing, think another ,and do something entirely differently".

[teh_skeeze]

(01-11-2015 11:54 AM)Canopus Wrote:  

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Maybe that’s why I find older guys so much sexier, usually…Guys like Clint Eastwood, for example. Now there’s a guy who has never uploaded a cat video to Youtube, you can bet on that!

Famous guys get the best pussy...


Anyway, WB would not buy dinner. I'd like to see her facial expression and body language when she saw him drinking a daiquiri. I've been getting better recently at noticing the subtle tells when a woman is put off by something. It doesn't stop me from doing it. It just gives me an opportunity to make fun of them for being disgusted by something trivial.