[Plato]

My level of disgust for ugly women is pretty unreal.

I am not talking fat chicks - I am talking ugly chicks.

Often they are slim - and it is like seeing the forgotten leftovers from God's chemistry set.

My instinct when thinking this way is to say, "Well - they be ugly. That is genetic bad luck. Not much they can do about it."

But then I think about the level of scorn a chick has for a regular nice guy, who looks below average and has a shitty job.

And I wonder if I should return the favour by celebrating the feelings of disgust I have? And not be ashamed of them?

Since women have no qualms when it comes to barely hiding similar feelings when they are forced to interact with your average beta chode.

Just wondering what the rest of you think? Do you have sympathy for a chick who is ugly and cannot do much about it (except for drastic plastic surgery)?

Or do you own those feelings, and feel a greater pull to being honest with yourself as opposed to just being nice. For the sake of being nice.

This is one of those classic emotion versus logic situations. With me - logic usually wins.

But - when it comes to dealing with the ugly side of humanity? My emotion seems to overpower my logic. I just feel I have to be true to myself and hold my hand up and say, "Sorry, dear, but I just cannot handle how ugly you are. Have a nice day."

[SamuelBRoberts]

No. If you hate people who've never wronged you at all, you have some unresolved issues to work out.

I hear therapy is good for that.

[dads]

No, because while an environment may raise a man to be beta, he still continually makes the choice to ignore truths. Below average looks and shitty job are also direct choices. An ugly woman was born that way. That is quite literally like hating white people because they are white.

There's no logic in being rude unnecessarily rude. Show respect to every human being until they give you a reason not too.

[Plato]

In my defense - I am always nothing but polite, nice and helpful to people.

Even ugly people.

It is just about trying to settle the internal dialogue I always have in my head when I am around ugly chicks.

[SamuelBRoberts]

Well, that's good. You definitely shouldn't be rude to random people. So I'm glad you're being nice.

But it really feels like you have some kind of problem that you're projecting on to ugly women.
Are you afraid girls will see you as ugly and look down on you?

[Plato]

I just want to see how honest we can be here. Because I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way.

As for me - yeah, maybe I am projecting some of my shit onto ugly women?

I just feel like love and hate are two sides of the same coin.

As such - the stronger you might love a hot chick - somewhere in your brain are similarly intense feelings when it comes to how much you hate ugly chicks.

I guess I have Mommy issues. I never once found her hot. Maybe that is why I hate ugly chicks?

[kaotic]

Fuck no you shouldn't really hate anyone without a good reason.

It's like holding a hot coal (hatred) you'll only get burned in the end, why bother with negativity ?

Being minimally polite is fine or just ignoring them, other than that, just don't give a fuck about them, you really shouldn't.

Ugly girls should be background noise man.

[kaotic]

(01-08-2015 06:05 PM)Plato Wrote:  

I guess I have Mommy issues. I never once found her hot. Maybe that is why I hate ugly chicks?

What ?

[SamuelBRoberts]

Do you hate your mother?

[Plato]

No - just a poor attempt at humour.

I apologise for that.

Not all of us Brits can be as funny as SteveMcMahon. That guy is hilarious! :-)

[Dusty]

I don't hate ugly chicks, they're just invisible to me.

[SteveMcMahon]

(01-08-2015 05:57 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

No. If you hate people who've never wronged you at all, you have some unresolved issues to work out.

I hear therapy is good for that.

That said, there are some people it's OK to hate on sight, because it saves time.

These include:

Big Issue sellers
The Big Issue is a magazine invented to give homeless people "jobs" by letting them sell magazines rather than just pester you for cash. That was a fine idea, until the whole thing got taken over by beggars from Eastern Europe who aren't actually homeless (they're driven to "work" by the men in their family), and just use their "job" selling the Big Issue as a means of qualifying for welfare, though they'll also accept cash from gullible British people.


Just fuck off.

Charity Muggers
It's bad enough when big charities eagerly suckle at the government's teat. But it's perhaps even more offensive when they also hire these smug, faux-matey cunts to accost you on the street and try to pressure you into giving them your direct debit details. And they're paid commission. Some "charity".


Seriously, fuck off.

Hipsters*
Yes, there's nothing new or original about hating hipsters. But they still deserve it. Because they're all smug, effete twats who each imagines they're unique even though they're all the bloody same.


FFFUUUUUUUUUUU......

* The exception is hipster girls, who need a good hard shagging.

[SteveMcMahon]

(01-08-2015 06:11 PM)Plato Wrote:  

Not all of us Brits can be as funny as SteveMcMahon. That guy is hilarious! :-)

[Plato]

The Charity Muggers are really fucked up. I wonder if you get them in the US?

Apparently - of the money you donate - half goes to the chugger, 40% to the company that employs the chugger and just 10% goes to the charity being advertised.

It is fucked up on every level. But for these big charities - 10% is better than nothing. The whole thing is just weird - like one of the end stages of capitalism or something.

"Hey, I know. Why don't we set up a business that does nothing but annoy people - and that spends most of the money that we collect on the overheads for the running of the business?" It is like asking for money so that you can help use it to add fuel to a fire of banknotes you have already started.

Also - most of the large charities now get about a 25% of their funding directly from the government. After Labour changed the rules so that the government could directly fund various charities. It seems this was done to help disguise the levels of public spending in the UK. Since charities are private corporations - it probably helps boost our GDP in some strange way.

Plato

PS Props for the Hipster chick. So many of them are cute as hell.

[Katdogbirdduck]

You could just pretend ugly girls simply don't exist when they are around.
Should there be a problem if one simply doesn't want to be around a specific ugly chick, just because she has a pussy?
You could choose to date any chick of any calibre and standard you like, that's how it should be.
But of course, don't be a hater either.

[Goldin Boy]

Hate is a strong wrong but ugly women do evoke disgust in me.

I try to ignore them. Unless they approach me then I'll tell them exactly why they're ugly (teeth, acne, etc) to their face.

Why? Sexual marketpalce is a jungle, Nature doesn't care about our feelings any more than it cares about the slow gazelle who got chased down by a cheetah. It's not my problem she's ugly,she can get make-up and better clothes.

Like you said women do this. This is because society tells them to be honest with their feelings. Women are traditionally the choosy sex so they openly expressing their rejection of a man is old hat to them.

I don't call ugly girls ugly from a place of bitterness. Rather it's because I'm comfortable enough with myself to express my disapproval just like women are.

[OBERYN_]

It would serve you well to be a little more analytical and introspective to give your handle some justice.

Disgust for anyone based only on appearance is in itself a disgusting characteristic to have, especially since you qualify your statement to exclude fat women (morbid obesity being of the few physical traits worthy of derision) and concede that these women are genetically unlucky. How are they responsible for that?

You cite the level of scorn “chicks” direct at a regular, below average guy with a bad job. Have you ever noticed the type of “chick” who exhibits this behavior? Are they entitled barbies whose only contribution to society is the luck of genetic blessing or the girl with unfortunate looks? Contrary to what many on this forum may believe due to a very vocal fringe of despicable online feminists, many homely girls are genuine, sweet, and respectful. Why? Because their lives have not been a carousel of “don’t worry about,” “let me get that,” “that’s all right, I’ll cover you,” “may I buy you a drink?” “Hello barista/waitress, I’m Dr. ______, would you like to get a drink?”

Put simply, they were forced to live their lives like every man in this world.

Depending on how you carry yourself in everyday life, pay special attention to your interactions with 5s vs 8s. Who is more friendly, receptive, and overall just more pleasant (personality wise) and who gives the cunty brushoff?

And the more I think about your post the more I suspect it's just trolling. If not, your views are a very poor representation of this forum.

[Plato]

Well - I did say I am nothing but nice to "ugly chicks". So this is not about treating them differently.

I am just trying to get a deeper handle on my emotional response around them.

As for my handle. Well - I don't think any philosopher was more obsessed with the question of beauty than Plato. He saw it as something that should be celebrated and not taken for granted. And the impression I get from his work is that he was pretty unPC when it came to the question of ugly people.

[Travesty]

@Golden Boy

I don't like the spirit of that post, but if I got rejected by a girl it actually would be good to see if she could list out the physical reasons why so I could gauge from a large sample what kind of women take to me and what I could work on that is universal to many chicks.

I saw myself on video the other day talking with some friends guy and girls. I thought my voice, tone, posture, and hand gestures was solid as fuck. Watching that video shows me I need to work on all those.

And there is a cure for ugly chicks by the way. Plastic surgery is becoming better and better while becoming less expensive. If I was an ugly chick I would make some $ and pony up. I really don't even think there is really any social pressure against it for ugly chicks, it probably would be celebrated after the surgery was done.

Most ugly chicks a nose job and usually some chin / jaw work if they have a man jaw is more than enough. Could go from a 4 or 5 face to a 6 or 7 easily...

Damn if all these trannies are switching over why can't ugly chicks?

[OBERYN_]

(01-08-2015 07:21 PM)Plato Wrote:  

Well - I did say I am nothing but nice to "ugly chicks". So this is not about treating them differently.

I am just trying to get a deeper handle on my emotional response around them.

As for my handle. Well - I don't think any philosopher was more obsessed with the question of beauty than Plato. He saw it as something that should be celebrated and not taken for granted. And the impression I get from his work is that he was pretty unPC when it came to the question of ugly people.

Yes, but celebrating beauty and having outright hatred for something so out of the control of an individual as their facial structure are very different things.

[Katdogbirdduck]

(01-08-2015 07:00 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

Hate is a strong wrong but ugly women do evoke disgust in me.

I try to ignore them. Unless they approach me then I'll tell them exactly why they're ugly (teeth, acne, etc) to their face.

Why? Sexual marketpalce is a jungle, Nature doesn't care about our feelings any more than it cares about the slow gazelle who got chased down by a cheetah. It's not my problem she's ugly,she can get make-up and better clothes.

Like you said women do this. This is because society tells them to be honest with their feelings. Women are traditionally the choosy sex so they openly expressing their rejection of a man is old hat to them.

I don't call ugly girls ugly from a place of bitterness. Rather it's because I'm comfortable enough with myself to express my disapproval just like women are.

Of course if an ugly girl approaches me I would maybe freak out, out of disgust of course, and say: Get the fuck out of my way bitch!
But if it was up to me to make the call about the approach, I would just overlook this alien and move on.

[Dr. Howard]

(01-08-2015 05:58 PM)Plato Wrote:  

In my defense - I am always nothing but polite, nice and helpful to people.

Even ugly people.

It is just about trying to settle the internal dialogue I always have in my head when I am around ugly chicks.

I think Patrick Bateman has a similar internal dialogue

[Enigma]

I have a sneaking suspicion that OP isn't actually Plato. This doesn't strike me as something he'd say.

[Plato]

American Psycho is an amazing film.

Hell - yeah I have a touch of Bateman in me.

At least when it comes to my taste in music.

[Dusty]