[TonySandos]

Mainstream America is catching up with the manosphere today after this news dropped.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-debunk...y-obesity/

Quote:

Study debunks the notion of "healthy obesity"
By Dennis Thompson

The notion of potentially healthy obesity is a myth, with most obese people slipping into poor health and chronic illness over time, a new British study claims.

The "obesity paradox" is a theory that argues obesity might improve some people's chances of survival over illnesses such as heart failure, said lead researcher Joshua Bell, a doctoral student in University College London's department of epidemiology and public health.

But research tracking the health of more than 2,500 British men and women for two decades found that half the people initially considered "healthy obese" wound up sliding into poor health as years passed.

"Healthy obesity is something that's a phase rather than something that's enduring over time," Bell said. "It's important to have a long-term view of healthy obesity, and to bear in mind the long-term tendencies. As long as obesity persists, health tends to decline. It does seem to be a high-risk state."

The obesity paradox springs from research involving people who are overweight but do not suffer from obesity-related problems such as high blood pressure, bad cholesterol and elevated blood sugar, said Dr. Andrew Freeman, director of clinical cardiology for National Jewish Health in Denver.

Some studies have found that people in this category seem to be less likely to die from heart disease and chronic kidney disease compared with folks with a lower body mass index, Freeman said -- even though science also has proven that obesity increases overall risk for heart disease, diabetes and some forms of cancer.

No one can say how the obesity paradox works, but some have speculated that people with extra weight might have extra energy stores they can draw upon if they become acutely ill, Freeman said.

To test this theory, University College London researchers tracked the health of 2,521 men and women between the ages of 39 and 62. They measured each participant's body mass index (a calculation based on height and weight), cholesterol, blood pressure, fasting blood sugar and insulin resistance, and ranked them as either healthy or unhealthy and obese or non-obese.

About one-third of the obese people had no risk factors for chronic disease at the beginning of the study, and were ranked as healthy obese.

But over time, this group began to develop risk factors for chronic disease. After 10 years about 40 percent had become unhealthy obese, and by the 20-year mark 51 percent had fallen into the unhealthy category, the study found.

Healthy non-obese people also slipped into poor health over time, but at a slower rate. After two decades, 22 percent had become unhealthy but were still trim, and about 10 percent more had become either healthy or unhealthy obese.

Only 11 percent of the people who started out as healthy obese lost weight and become healthy and non-obese, the researchers found.

This study suggests that obese people will eventually develop risk factors such as high blood sugar and bad cholesterol that lead to chronic illness and death, Bell and Freeman said.

"The longer one is obese, the more likely they are to induce damage," Freeman said. "I have very seldom seen people who are obese for the long-term not have a condition that requires treatment."

Bell said these findings make the case that people who are obese should try to lose weight, even if they currently don't have any risk factors.

"All types of obesity warrant treatment, even those which appear to be healthy, because they carry a high risk of future decline," he said.

The findings are published Jan. 5 in a letter in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.

[El Chinito loco]

The only people i've ever heard pump up the healthy obese myth is fat women and a few fat pandering doctors who probably make money off of it. The "BBW" set has been trying its best for years to normalize being a saggy hog with fat advocacy.

It's just another sub genre of feminism. Delusional healthcare parasites trying to rationalize away the mental issues which keeps them stuffing chocolate cupcakes into their piehole.

[AntiTrace]

breaking news! being fat is unhealthy!!!

[RawGod]

I had no idea that "healthy obesity" was ever taken halfway seriously, I assumed it was only the catchphrase of a few delusional porkers.

[Snowplow]

(01-06-2015 11:10 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

I had no idea that "healthy obesity" was ever taken halfway seriously, I assumed it was only the catchphrase of a few delusional porkers.

Neither did I. Anytime I saw a land whale I just thought, enjoy your limited time here!

Healthy fat.......what a joke.

[Hades]

It's just like smoking cigarettes.
Right now you might be fine, a few years down the road and your dick might quit working, and eventually you might get lung cancer or emphysema and die early.

[mikado]

(01-06-2015 11:55 PM)Hades Wrote:  

It's just like smoking cigarettes.
Right now you might be fine, a few years down the road and your dick might quit working, and eventually you might get lung cancer or emphysema and die early.

Yeah, but smokers have hamsterized it already.

[The Reactionary Tree]

I listen to Rush Limbaugh on occasion and he is always propagating this healthy obesity nonsense because he is fat and just happens not to have any major health complications. I just shake my head.

[Old Fritz]

What about "big boned" people? lol

[dads]

Can we get a study on the negative effects of swallowing ink next?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

And yet the myth continues - this one just got herself a TV show:

The only reason that she can do what she does so far is because she is very young and was a dancer before the weight gain. But frankly - even her current workout routines are too much for her current body weight.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Just curious, when your ankles start to disappear isn't that a sign to put the twinkies down?

[Double Salad]

You know things are/have been fucked when there are studies for the self evident.

"New study confirms fecal matter has unpleasant smell"

"New study debunks fecal matter smell study. It's all in our head, smells are what we make of them, says siontist..."

[lskdfjldsf]

"You can be fat and funny, fat and smart, fat and talented!"

But you'll never be fat and healthy, and you'll never be fat and attractive.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-07-2015 08:52 AM)Double Salad Wrote:  

You know things are/have been fucked when there are studies for the self evident.

"New study confirms fecal matter has unpleasant smell"

"New study debunks fecal matter smell study. It's all in our head, smells are what we make of them, says siontist..."

Hehe - I remember real studies funded by the US government:

500.000$ on why fat teenage girls have trouble dating. (Spoiler: they tried to prove that it was because of self-confidence issues - fat wasn't the problem of course.)

3.500.000$-5.000.000$ (!) on why lesbians are fat. (Spoiler: they tried to prove that society is at fault for discriminating them so much. I guess it eluded them why so many gays were in excellent shape.)

Nowadays you get huge grants thrown your way only if you try to prove one crazy gender-feminist-talking-point is true.

[Sonsowey]

I thought the gist of that study was, if you're obese, you will end up in the care of a doctor sooner, because you'll have some serious medical issue earlier in life.

Because of that, you may actually live to a later date than someone who is generally healthy, because for them a serious health issue may go unnoticed longer since they're not constantly undergoing tests for serious medical condition.

So go forth, get diabetes at age 30! It'll help you in the long run!

[Mr. Wolf]

(01-06-2015 11:55 PM)Hades Wrote:  

It' a few years down the road and your dick might quit working.

Yes, I'm not a doctor, but the smart money knows that everyone who needs Viagra should be immediately treated as a peripheral vascular disease patient. If you can't get hard without a pill, and you do get hard with the pill, then your capillaries and arteries are clogged, and you will likely die from it unless you take disciplined steps to reverse it. Of course no one wants to talk about that (because there's no money in it), instead they just show unattractive older women wrastling some chump into his and hers bathtubs for some reason only a woman could fathom.

[GoldHawkStar]

(01-07-2015 07:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And yet the myth continues - this one just got herself a TV show:

Sure she's an okay dancer now, but let's just ignore the fact that this is going to be her in 10 years if she continues her let's-all-feel-good-about-ourself life - Her body a useless pile of garbage; too worn out to perform as basic of a human function as walking.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-08-2015 12:00 AM)Goldhawkstar Wrote:  



Sure she's an okay dancer now, but let's just ignore the fact that this is going to be her in 10 years if she continues her let's-all-feel-good-about-ourself life - Her body a useless pile of garbage; too worn out to perform as basic of a human function as walking.

And another brother who had too low standards - heh. At least the daughter is cute and might turn out be attractive when older.

The funny thing is that you simply don't see women like that at all in some FSU countries - all the crap about "genetic diseases" is just BS.

Also what many people don't know is that overweight people - not even obese ones - have accumulated various food allergies - some of them being gluten, milk-products not just some nuts. They don't show themselves as rashes or direct reactions, but by the body's inability to process those foods properly - the person gets bloated much faster that way.

After having lost weight and gone through a diet & lifestyle change those allergies disappear later on and the person may again enjoy those foods. In a way it's a defensive mechanism of the body to warn you of toxic foods:

I've had that too myself by cutting out toxins like artificial sweeteners, high fructose corn syrup & MSG - that way reversing some of my nut allergies and almost cutting down my pollen allergies. Probably the supplements I took had something to do with it too as they helped me to detoxify better.

[DannyAlberta]

favourite part of the article:

' Wrote:

Healthy non-obese people also slipped into poor health over time, but at a slower rate. After two decades, 22 percent had become unhealthy but were still trim, and about 10 percent more had become either healthy or unhealthy obese.

so that's the politically correct phraseology for being skinny fat.

will remember to use...

[kosko]

I love how all these fat women have fried up ovaries with legions on them. They blame this condition.. post fat as the reason they gain weight..

Instead of linking them being fat to nature removing them from the gene pool by self-destroying the ovaries so they can't reproduce and replicate their bad genes. You don't think having menstrual issue would of crept up when you were 16? Wouldn't these ovaries issues start showing signs much earlier if it was not tied to ones obesity? These women make me laugh.

[GoldHawkStar]

(01-08-2015 04:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

The funny thing is that you simply don't see women like that at all in some FSU countries - all the crap about "genetic diseases" is just BS.

Also what many people don't know is that overweight people - not even obese ones - have accumulated various food allergies - some of them being gluten, milk-products not just some nuts. They don't show themselves as rashes or direct reactions, but by the body's inability to process those foods properly - the person gets bloated much faster that way.

After having lost weight and gone through a diet & lifestyle change those allergies disappear later on and the person may again enjoy those foods. In a way it's a defensive mechanism of the body to warn you of toxic foods:

I've had that too myself by cutting out toxins like artificial sweeteners, high fructose corn syrup & MSG - that way reversing some of my nut allergies and almost cutting down my pollen allergies. Probably the supplements I took had something to do with it too as they helped me to detoxify better.

Are you saying that because they eat unhealthy foods, they develop allergies to some healthy foods like milk and nuts? (Not disagreeing, just trying to understand what you're saying.)

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-08-2015 10:15 PM)Goldhawkstar Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 04:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I've had that too myself by cutting out toxins like artificial sweeteners, high fructose corn syrup & MSG - that way reversing some of my nut allergies and almost cutting down my pollen allergies. Probably the supplements I took had something to do with it too as they helped me to detoxify better.

Are you saying that because they eat unhealthy foods, they develop allergies to some healthy foods like milk and nuts? (Not disagreeing, just trying to understand what you're saying.)

Yes - most allergies now are happening not because people are born with it, but because they are self-created. I was born with zero allergies and got pollen around age 19-25, then after my 30s some nut-allergies.

When you watch the series above - YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT - you see a certain school of London dietitians being taught. They test for a variety of allergies with the fatties on the program. Usually they find out that the higher the weight, the more allergies the person has. Sometimes the worst kinds are gluten, wheat or milk allergies, since then the body's reaction to that allergy is not via some rashes. Such an allergy manifests itself by your body not being able to metabolize those foods properly and thus massively increasing weight gain. This might have happened with the obese dancer in one video above.

Also 100% of people consulted by those dietitians lose weight - in a fast and healthy manner - some lose 30-60 pounds per month all while eating as much as they want - just eating different foods (plus they exercise respective to their body weight - that obese girl probably should not be dancing and jumping, since the weight is just too much for her joints and might crop up in later years - she has to lose weight first).

I personally reversed some nut allergies and lessened my pollen allergies within the last 2 years. I cut out the most toxic ingredients, ate more unprocessed foods and took orthomolecular supplements, but again I am not obese - if I were, I would have had to change more for a while at least.

[GoldHawkStar]

(01-09-2015 03:02 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:15 PM)Goldhawkstar Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 04:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I've had that too myself by cutting out toxins like artificial sweeteners, high fructose corn syrup & MSG - that way reversing some of my nut allergies and almost cutting down my pollen allergies. Probably the supplements I took had something to do with it too as they helped me to detoxify better.

Are you saying that because they eat unhealthy foods, they develop allergies to some healthy foods like milk and nuts? (Not disagreeing, just trying to understand what you're saying.)

Yes - most allergies now are happening not because people are born with it, but because they are self-created. I was born with zero allergies and got pollen around age 19-25, then after my 30s some nut-allergies.

When you watch the series above - YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT - you see a certain school of London dietitians being taught. They test for a variety of allergies with the fatties on the program. Usually they find out that the higher the weight, the more allergies the person has. Sometimes the worst kinds are gluten, wheat or milk allergies, since then the body's reaction to that allergy is not via some rashes. Such an allergy manifests itself by your body not being able to metabolize those foods properly and thus massively increasing weight gain. This might have happened with the obese dancer in one video above.

Also 100% of people consulted by those dietitians lose weight - in a fast and healthy manner - some lose 30-60 pounds per month all while eating as much as they want - just eating different foods (plus they exercise respective to their body weight - that obese girl probably should not be dancing and jumping, since the weight is just too much for her joints and might crop up in later years - she has to lose weight first).

I personally reversed some nut allergies and lessened my pollen allergies within the last 2 years. I cut out the most toxic ingredients, ate more unprocessed foods and took orthomolecular supplements, but again I am not obese - if I were, I would have had to change more for a while at least.

That makes so much sense. When I was at work the other day, one of my overweight (not obese) coworkers was complaining about how he ate some sort of healthy meal the other day, and ever since he's been feeling sick and overall awful. I don't know this guy very well, but he's known to have very bad eating habits. He was going on about how he was "never going to eat a healthy food again".

I was confused as to why so many fatties seem to have all these allergies to healthy foods. I figured it couldn't just be a coincidence. I know a lot of them like to make excuses that they're born with them and so that's why they're fat, but what you're saying makes so much more sense. It is because of their bad eating habits that they have those allergies.

Also, congrats to what you've been doing for yourself in the past 2 years. I'm going to use you as an example the next time someone wants to tell me that all of these allergies are something you're born with. I'm curious - Did you see one of these dietitians, or did you just make the change with no outside help?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-09-2015 10:39 AM)Goldhawkstar Wrote:  

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Also, congrats to what you've been doing for yourself in the past 2 years. I'm going to use you as an example the next time someone wants to tell me that all of these allergies are something you're born with. I'm curious - Did you see one of these dietitians, or did you just make the change with no outside help?

Years ago I watched the show quite often, then read the books by that school of dietitians. Later on when I found out more about things like orthomolecular medicine I researched more - first watching documentaries, then reading articles & finally even medical studies. (for a time I dedicated several hours daily to the topics) After I started experimenting with my body, vitamin C and other vitamin megadoses I realized that it was exactly as described in the studies going back decades.

On one of the sites with countless studies describes reversals of allergies just like that London school.

There is frankly no real consensus among MDs regarding food and healthy nutrition - thus you have to do research yourself to some degree and come up with something more rational than what the FDA & AMA proposes. However 80-90% of orthomolecular doctors agree on some basic dietary tenets.

http://www.doctoryourself.com by Andrew Saul
Documentaries: food matters etc.
Other notable doctors are : Dr. Klenner, Dr. Mercola, Dr. Cathcart, Dr. Joel Wallach, Dr. Max Gerson, Dr. Rath, Dr. Russell Blaylock etc.

To put it succinctly: not only did I convince myself to apply what I knwo, but also my entire close family as well as my nearest friends - everyone is taking supplements now and cutting out some of the most toxic foods or ingredients. The reason is simple - it works - even something as simple as megdose vitamin c when having colds or overcoming a hangover faster and better (works very well on hangovers if you have pure vitamin c powder at home).

And I am not militant about it - eating McDonal's once in a while won't kill you - it is the cumulative effect over time that does it.