[kaotic]

(12-06-2014 04:19 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Am I the only one that thinks for an LTR to work (have kids with her) that it is practically inevitable that sex appeal wanes.

I think you need passions in common to make it last and re-spark things.

Whether that is music, an outdoor activity whatever... she is going to become your roommate/friend at some point. To be beyond that you need shared interests you participate in and get excited about together on a consistent almost daily basis.

If all you have is physical attraction and decent conversation you're fucked from the start, that won't last.

That is the same as saying you are going 100% clown mode to keep her entertained until the sun sets.

Guys make fun of the guys that say: "My wife is my best friend."

Guess what? The guys that think being best friends with your wife is bullshit... in my opinion have the thousand yard stare and have complaints about their LTR bitches all the time the most.

Who seems happiest? In my experience if they aren't complete schlubs, the guys that say their wife is their best friend and truly mean it because they are always having a great time with their wife seem the happiest. They have tons in common and are always planning new things to do together.

Trav nailed it, in the end you gotta have a woman who likes the same shit that you do, likes doing new shit you do, and COMPLEMENTS your life.

I'm pretty thankful I can enjoy my time with my main, since we have some of the same passions (especially shows & music).

Granted I fuck alot on the side, I enjoy my time with my main a bit more. It doesn't mean I'm invested in one egg basket.

But it's not wrong to be close to one you've been with for awhile and enjoy new experiences, variety is the spice of line dudes !

[OGNorCal707]

(02-10-2015 02:58 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 02:45 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

However, if your chick cheats on you and you know about it and you let it slide, you are really opening up a can of worms, and it can be a slippery slope, you could be setting yourself up for a greater deal of disrespect, infidelity, and worst case being cuckolded.

Still in certain pockets of the U.S. I could understand how some guys may look the other way when it comes to transgressions of their girls if they are a seriously legit 8+ because women like that have such rare beauty and hold such sexual power, that they may rarely be obtained by certain men. That said, I guess it comes down to a question of what you value more, your self respect, or getting a hot piece of consistent ass.

What "self-respect" is there in the pursuit of game?

When I was blue-pill, I believed in honesty, honor, fidelity and courage. Now that I'm red-pill, I'm prepared to do anything to achieve the results. If you are honest with yourself, the most successful players are also very Machiavellian and practical (I don't use "amoral" here because it's banal)

On this forum we boast about sleeping with other people's wives/girlfriend. Where's your self-respect and the respect for another man, no matter how pathetic he might be, in that? My grand uncle was alpha as fuck and had boat load of women but he would behead me if I "steal" another's girl. We lie to girls. What self-respect is there in lying, even to such malevolent creatures of Americunts? We play with emotions (jealous game, dread game, fake commitment game, spinning plates) We cheat. Self-respect in a broad general sense is a luxury for the men with truly unlimited options because times have changed.

I am not denouncing any of the above, in fact I would happily do any of them and have done some. Yet I know that if hell exists I would be there. Along with all women on earth.

And all the sluts. And the drugs. Hell it's cool.

When my dark-tetrad mentor told me game is a long spiral road to hell, I thought he was being melodramatic...

Sure dark triad personality traits will get you far when it comes to "game" and getting "notches", but not every guy wants to live his life with such a cold calculating, callous, and manipulative way, whether it comes to females or not. I hear everything you're saying about Americunts and slutty women for sure, I'm not trying to put on rose-colored glasses and act like women should be treated with the utmost respect like they are princesses.

The question wasn't about behaving like a dark triad and acting with respect towards women, it was about whether or not a man will knowingly tolerate his woman going astray and hooking up with another man.

Your attitude and mindset is that women are going to cheat no matter what, so what the fuck, who cares? There may be some validity to that, I don't know, but I do know is that I sacrifice my own sense of self respect, if I allow a woman to fuck another guy and then come back to me, even if I believe she "loves me" and won't do it again.

If your goal is to get a triple digit notch count than embrace the dark side, I'm not judging guys who do, but I don't believe that it is necessarily dogma that every man should blindly embrace. Everyone has different perspectives, values, and boundaries. I often take the nobler path, not due to social and cultural conditioning and brainwashing, but rather because that is what feels right to me, and that's how I like to live my life.

[Apollo21]

Guy or Girl...I believe you should always have a plan B...life happens so you might as well be prepared for it.
"Cheating" is also kind of relative...personally I enjoy going out and meeting different women so it's hard for me
to judge and be critical when a girl wants to do the same thing.

I also accept the fact that some relationships will be more exlcusive-ish than others...
so instead of forcing them or feeling hurt...I just enjoy them. It's great that women have options.

[PittFighter]

(02-10-2015 02:58 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I am not denouncing any of the above, in fact I would happily do any of them and have done some. Yet I know that if hell exists I would be there. Along with all women on earth.

And all the sluts. And the drugs. Hell it's cool.

When my dark-tetrad mentor told me game is a long spiral road to hell, I thought he was being melodramatic...

Heaven and hell are concepts designed to control the masses while those who seek to control the masses (clergy, monarchs, politicians) behave immorally.

I don't do anything to people they wouldn't do to me. I don't steal, rob, or murder. I wouldn't sleep with another man's girlfriend if I found out about it. That happened to me last week, actually.

Regarding Honesty:

Women don't believe something is a lie just because its not true. If you don't believe me then go listen to your girl talk to one of her friends. In the strictest sense of the word, they tell many lies to one another. They don't even want the truth. Have you ever tried to break up with a woman by saying: "I don't want to date you because I don't like you." It won't work. You have to tell them you miss your ex-girlfriend, you have to focus on work, your mom said you don't need a girlfriend, etc.

But if a woman wants to go out with me on a Tuesday night and its just not her night, she's getting a "lie." She doesn't want the truth anyway. They won't accept it. It stings them too much. To women the truth is impolite. They want some room to construct their own reality.

and I wouldn't sleep with another man's girlfriend because I'm not going to be another thing she lies about.

[la_mode]

There aren't enough available women for every man in the 18-40 age bracket in the US. I forget the exact statistic, but there are somewhere around 5 million extra men in the US in this age bracket.

Throw in the fact the typical American woman is within standard deviation of Riddick Bowe's weight class.

So, a woman who isn't fat and at least "average" looking has about 10-15 orbiters at all times. Regardless of her age. A true cougar at 45 has a higher SMV than a plain jane at 25. This may not be true in other countries, but it is in the US.

An above average woman to being in the realm of "hot" can have easily hundreds. I've even seen guys orbit pictures of when an attractive woman puts up a picture of her cat or dog (anything to get her attention). It's really gotten to that level. The male/female ratio in America is deplorable. The MSM cannot ignore this forever, although they'd like to since straight men aren't LGBT. If anything, the lack of available women plays into their endgame since it promotes more queer behavior.

[YossariansRight]

(02-10-2015 06:21 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

Guy or Girl...I believe you should always have a plan B...life happens so you might as well be prepared for it.
"Cheating" is also kind of relative...personally I enjoy going out and meeting different women so it's hard for me
to judge and be critical when a girl wants to do the same thing.

I also accept the fact that some relationships will be more exlcusive-ish than others...
so instead of forcing them or feeling hurt...I just enjoy them. It's great that women have options.

In this day and age, you'd be a fool not to have as many options in any and everything you can. And that certainly includes pussy.

[GeroMeroHero]

I notice a lot of these kinds of articles come from British news.
Like the relationship terrorists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relations...ships.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...s-men.html

[ordinaryleastsquared]

(02-10-2015 02:58 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 02:45 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

However, if your chick cheats on you and you know about it and you let it slide, you are really opening up a can of worms, and it can be a slippery slope, you could be setting yourself up for a greater deal of disrespect, infidelity, and worst case being cuckolded.

Still in certain pockets of the U.S. I could understand how some guys may look the other way when it comes to transgressions of their girls if they are a seriously legit 8+ because women like that have such rare beauty and hold such sexual power, that they may rarely be obtained by certain men. That said, I guess it comes down to a question of what you value more, your self respect, or getting a hot piece of consistent ass.

What "self-respect" is there in the pursuit of game?

When I was blue-pill, I believed in honesty, honor, fidelity and courage. Now that I'm red-pill, I'm prepared to do anything to achieve the results. If you are honest with yourself, the most successful players are also very Machiavellian and practical (I don't use "amoral" here because it's banal)

On this forum we boast about sleeping with other people's wives/girlfriend. Where's your self-respect and the respect for another man, no matter how pathetic he might be, in that? My grand uncle was alpha as fuck and had boat load of women but he would behead me if I "steal" another's girl. We lie to girls. What self-respect is there in lying, even to such malevolent creatures of Americunts? We play with emotions (jealous game, dread game, fake commitment game, spinning plates) We cheat. Self-respect in a broad general sense is a luxury for the men with truly unlimited options because times have changed.

I am not denouncing any of the above, in fact I would happily do any of them and have done some. Yet I know that if hell exists I would be there. Along with all women on earth.

And all the sluts. And the drugs. Hell it's cool.

When my dark-tetrad mentor told me game is a long spiral road to hell, I thought he was being melodramatic...

Exactly, the biggest mental improvement I've had in game is equalizing my dating strategies to that of the women I date (i.e. all women). Does this mean that I've lowered my morality in some cosmic sense? I don't think so. Tit for tat.

[Dalaran1991]

(02-10-2015 05:51 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Your attitude and mindset is that women are going to cheat no matter what, so what the fuck, who cares? There may be some validity to that, I don't know, but I do know is that I sacrifice my own sense of self respect, if I allow a woman to fuck another guy and then come back to me, even if I believe she "loves me" and won't do it again.

And you have my respect for that. I would do the same thing. My point is that self-respect in general is a casualty of war in the dating "war".

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If your goal is to get a triple digit notch count than embrace the dark side, I'm not judging guys who do, but I don't believe that it is necessarily dogma that every man should blindly embrace. Everyone has different perspectives, values, and boundaries. I often take the nobler path, not due to social and cultural conditioning and brainwashing, but rather because that is what feels right to me, and that's how I like to live my life.

That has been my existential question for a while. How can your goals be anything other than racking up as many notches as possible, after you have seen the ugly loathsome truth that is the dark side of feminity unleashed?

Dont get me wrong, femininity is wonderful, but all the good sides are no longer encouraged by societies whereas the dark sides are on overdrive. No girl wanna stays home and cooks. No girl thinks is sinful to cheat (at least unconciously) Every girl thinks the world owes her something and that men are supposed to be at her disposal. This is what I find most disgusting. A sense of self-entitlement that is based upon nothing but pure vanity and greed.

If you live in such society and have seen the truth, how can you ever go back? Sure you will enjoy some brief awesome moments with a girl here and there but those wont last and wont drown out the ugliness. So you have no choice but to go from 1 girl to another.

All decent players I know eventually go full dark side, even the ones who are secretly romantic at heart. Shit I honestly just want to find a girlfriend. I had one and while we were together she was the most submissive kitten. Then out of nowhere she breaks up with me with such coldness as if she went werewolf in just 2 days. Reason: she wants to be with another beta orbiter guy she has known for 3 years now. LOL

Even my wing who is a SMV 9 with solid game also got dumped ruthlessly by his 9. Of course he doesnt care.

I ve come to realize that women can ruthlessly dump you without a glance backward as soon as its convenient for them do do so. The whole shit about men being heartless is fucking bullshit. Men can and will stay out of principles or responsibility; women packs when they feel like doing so. If one has seen that how can you NOT simply go full dark?

Or learn Russian/EE language and GTFO of the Western shit hole.

[Sensei Creation]

I can't remember exactly who it was , but a member of the forum once said " Men start of as romantics and end up as realists . "

The truth is : As a young man living in a culture that embraces and even encourages hypergamy . I just cannot afford to expect to find an attractive women that is loyal and trustworthy . I'm a romantic at heart and I've gotten into relationships expecting these qualities before and was I was sadly mistaken .

Now I expect the women I meet to be spinning plates . If it turns out she isn't , good for her but honestly I'd probably never know. So I'll still treat her like she is .

Instead of trying to go against the grain and wasting precious years of my life trying to re-instate values such as self-respect , loyalty and humility to lost causes , I have hardened , i've become selfish and I now intend to use game to push the odds back in my favor .

Having seen and experienced the dark side of femininity and seen with my own eyes how quickly they can switch from " I love you " to not even glancing at you as they walk past you in the street . I've come to the conclusion that doing anything other than racking up notches is a fool's errand in this day and age .

As comedian David Chappelle once said " Chivalry is dead... and women killed it ."

Maybe my views on this will change as I get older and start to think about raising a family , but at the present time : It is what it is .

[WD-40]

Women don't need a Plan B man when all they need to do is snap their fingers on Tinder and there's a mile of dick lined up at their door.

[eradicator]

(02-10-2015 02:16 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

The idea of preventing women cheating is simply unrealistic and redundant.

I tend to disagree. Fucking them extremely well is a great way to make them lose interest in their plan B orbiters. If you are no longer that motivated or hot for the woman you are dating to properly fuck her, then it's time to break up and game new women.

Quote:

Quoting an old post from WIA, it doesn't matter if you are the top alpha or not, due to this very simple fact:

"Do you know people who slept with women of a better man? Someone more alpha/higher value than the guy she's cheating with?"

I bet a lot of members here have done it themselves.

Women don't think in terms of who's the more alpha. Sometimes they just cheat, and they will cheat. Feeling lonely? Misunderstood? Bored? Her cat dies? Etc.

There's no point of wasting mental energy in whether or not your girl will cheat, if she is Western/American. However I assure you those sweet Vietnamese and Philippines girls cheat too. I'm friend with a few of them 8s Asian. In the end the "alpha" guys dont care. Sure, she may take a strange dick every now and then, but in the end she still "loves" and will never leave the alpha no matter what. That's the theme for movies/romances where nice guys trying in vain to rescue a girl from the hold of an asshole.

I guess it depends on the perspective.

When I started out, although I admired Roosh greatly I didn't want a nomadic lifestyle with constant partner change. I wanted to find a girlfriend and be able to keep her.

Now I understand why Roosh does what he does. Do we even have a choice? She will walk eventually, so you'd better walk first.

[kaotic]

(02-11-2015 09:18 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 02:16 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

The idea of preventing women cheating is simply unrealistic and redundant.

I tend to disagree. Fucking them extremely well is a great way to make them lose interest in their plan B orbiters. If you are no longer that motivated or hot for the woman you are dating to properly fuck her, then it's time to break up and game new women.

Exactly fuck them good, they'll usually be putty in your hand.

Assuming your girl is fucking other guys is a toxic way to think.

That will bring on resentment, frustration, and possible paranoia.

This does NOT mean you should not be aware and have radar.

Enjoying the time you have with a given women and having her complement your life is a better choice. Being more care free and aloof (with strong frame) is better.

Some girls won't cheat, some girls will. They're irrational creatures and it's just the luck of the draw.

I am on the side of having a main you typically enjoy more than your sexual side conquests.