Quote: (11-09-2014 09:53 PM)Tesseract Wrote:
Constitution45
Funny you mention Russians! My friend in GZ now has been there for a few months, knows some Mandarin... but has mainly hooked up with Russian chicks XD. My other friends said Shanghai and Shenzen are good options for China, but I may save those for later. Either way, I'll be eventually visiting my friend in GZ to get a feel for China.
Tess, you could have mentioned me by name, I'm not shy
My obsession or addiction to Russian girls just followed me from Toronto, can't escape those Slavic bitches man! All jokes aside, congrats on making the leap. It would have been awesome for you to join me in GZ first, but I'm sure we'll have some more insane adventures soon enough, except in SEA. Having now fought with Chinese internet for the past 3 months here, I concur it's not the best for type of work that you do.
Quote: (11-11-2014 09:25 PM)Tesseract Wrote:
Yeah we actually have a Mastermind group going on here in Toronto
Ironically, I came across this thread because I'm looking to recreate our Toronto mastermind group in GZ.
I know there's a datasheet on Guangzhou already, but I'll give it a brief monthly cost rundown. I'll be creating an extensive post to update the actual GZ datasheet in the next month or so.
Accommodation (splitting on a 2br):
$200-$350 just outside the city center (Baiyun/Haizhu District), $400-$600 per month in the city center (Tianhe district). If you try for anything less than a one year lease, they'll most likely jack these prices up by $100-$300 per month.
If you want a modern western style apartment, in close proximity to most of the action, with quite a bit of expats around - I'd narrow my search apartments around the "Liede", "Zhu Jiang New Town", "Tiyu Xilu" metro stations (Tianhe district).
Take note - it's standard to pay 2 months rent as a deposit along with your first month's rent, upfront. Unless you luck out and sublet from an expat who either doesn't care or just wants to get the fuck out of China!
Transportation:
The "Yang Cheng Tong" (GZ metro card) costs $4 to activate and then you have to put a minimum of $10 on it each time you recharge. It also acts as pseudo debit card of sorts mainly at 7Elevens and other convenient stores for small purchases.
Each ride on the subway costs around $0.50-$1, relative to the amount of line changes you do. If you take the bus it's about $0.35 per ride. By the way, after your first 15 rides every month the fee per ride drops by 40%, insane. I travel on the buses/metro about 3 or 4x a day and average around $20-30 a month.
The metro closes at 11pm around the city so you'll have to take taxis if you explore the city past then. There are late night buses which, I use on occasion if I'm not too far away from where I need to go. But you're pretty much fucked if you don't speak/read basic Mandarin.
The most I've paid for a cab was about $10 and that was literally from one end of the city to the other (took 35mins). You'll average about $4 or $5 most of the time. To avoid getting scammed used metered cabs, especially if it's a long distance. Meters start at $2 as soon as you enter the cab.
Groceries:
My roommate basically only eats veggies, I eat a lot of meat so we spend anywhere between $50 to $150 each per month, respectively. Every a month or so I'll run out some of more my more western food products i.e. margarine, olive oil or splurge on imported jerky, Canadian bacon, sausage etc which drives my costs up to $200.
Internet:
$120 (one-time fee for the year) I supposedly have one of the fastest ISPs possible but, as I alluded to earlier it can still be extremely unreliable. Torrent DL seem to be fine but browsing and streaming non-Chinese websites will shave years off of your life
at times, even with a VPN. Even Skype is a bitch to use sometimes.
Nightlife:
$40 - $1,000 for a crazy night out. Depending on if you want to hit up the student bars a la "Perry's" or have drinks at The W or IFC Tower and party at a nightclub at from 3-7am a la "Han".
Imported Spirits plus a mixer at "Perry's" are about $5 per drink (drinks are strong too). Local Spirits plus mixers in a
2L bucket are also $5
. A local beer "Tsingtao", is $2 for a 600ml bottle and actually tastes pretty decent.
A 330ml bottle of beer at the The W starts at $10, a simple Jack & Coke $15.
Restaurants can range from $2-$6 per meal at McDonald's/the local Chinese beef dumplings joint, to all you can eat and drink high end Japanese food for $30 and of course $100 plus on the 100th floor of IFC Tower.
Gym:
For a decent to higher end facility $40-$60 per month (just outside the city center), $80-$200 (in the city center).
Keep in mind one of beautiful things about China is that you can almost always haggle sales personnel into the ground. Yes, even at some reputable "branded" businesses.
I recently scouted a gym called "Total Fitness" (a huge chain here) - I walked in just to quickly get some info on the membership fees, type of equipment, amenities etc and leave. I was in and out in 2mins but, one of the sales guys literally followed me down the hall, 5 floors down into the metro, while dropping the price from $80 to $40 per month, thirsty much? lol
All I said was "Mingtian, mingtian, bu jingtian." "Tomorrow, tomorrow, no today" in Mandarin...
By the way Shenzen is only marginally more expensive than GZ.
See you in Feb buddy.