[Laner]

(11-08-2014 02:07 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 01:58 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

I assume that's Australia? I know a lot of underachieving Chinese rich kids end up in Australia. They spend all their time shopping, buying houses, and driving around in race cars.

In America it's very different. All the asians from the middle to upper tier has the full intent of sending their kids to the ivy league. That's why cultural pressure is so different for the fobs in America. I remember there were slackers too but they were far outnumbered by the STEM types. The typical thing would be the rich millionaire fob parents would buy a condo or house outright with cash. Have their kids enrolled in multiple tutor/study programs to have them catch up. Then they would be on the fast track to the best schools by the time they were in their second year of high school.

They're definitely spending a lot of money on dope threads, but I've never seen any international students driving race cars, or buying houses, which is for their parents generation.

There's definitely a lot of cultural pressure on them here too. The international students spend all their spare time in the library (honestly so does everyone whose not doing a bullshit major), they're not slacking.

Its different here in Vancouver. Many times these kids have no choice and are sent here. Most times it would be the third tier kid, or the third smartest. First smartest are sent to the US top tier if possible. The second or third is sent to a place with long term security. Canada and Australia usually. The are enrolled in English classes, probably this new UBC college but are really here to gain citizenship, keep some real estate warm and make connections within the community.

A guy I used to work with was banging a sexy, tiny Chinese girl in his building. She was sent here at first against her will, but she had no choice. In reality leaving her shit hole in China was a godsend, and her quality of life shot up 1000%. In her words, she developed a size fetish (my workmate was 6'8" and 260 solid pounds) and had this fantasy of leading my mate through her home village in China like some Canadian moose. She never had a clue where her father got his money, nor why it never seemed to run out and no matter how many shopping trips to Leone or Holt Renfrew she could manage, the cash taps were always open, never dry.

I have a hundred stories like this.

[WesternCancer]

Some of you guys don't really have the right perspective.

Vancouver is roughly 50% visible minorities, many of which who speak a second language and/or are first gen immigrants (who keep many of their cultural practices)

The population is roughly 30% Chinese, many of these are millionaires who buy houses and other luxury items (http://business.financialpost.com/2014/0...housing/).

At UBC you see supercars DAILY. Driven by 18 year olds. http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/02/unive...xury-cars/

There are also the second + gen minorities who are "whitewashed" They're just like you and me

UBC had a big discussion/controversy a while back that divided everyone on campus. I can't remember what it was called but it asked whether or not racism/cliques/groups etc form based on race. The ivory tower professors claimed no, yet most students believed there existed a significant divide.

I'm willing to bet you could fuck a girl from anywhere in the world in Vancouver, however its hard to break into those groups.

First gen immigrants stick together with others from the same country/city

Second gen minorities are looked down upon by the first gen immigrants, they are white washed, but they still share the same background, language, and cultural frame of reference so all the chinese kids who grew up in Vancouver stick with other chinese-canadians etc.

Theres an overlap with the minority-canadians, but white kids always end up being friends with other white kids because they don't understand the overbearing asian parent, or the indian dad stereotypes, or the different festivals to celebrate. Of course theres some overlap between all categories, but everyone naturally segregates themselves because it is a lot easier to do so socially.

That being said. Vancouver has a national identity as a multicultural, progressive etc. hub.

People may say the reason behind this school is to give chinese kids who couldnt pass the language exam the opportunity to live and study in Canada.

I personally think that may be a secondary intention, but first and foremost its just a way for the university to make a lot more money.

That being said what does this mean for Canadian/Vancouver identity as a whole. When there is so much natural segregation between cultural groups how can there be a unified Canadian identity. When you can walk down a street and essentially be in another country (in terms of items sold, only a certain language on the signs, music, etc), is that them being a part of Canada or just coming to a country where there is a lot of opportunity and a high quality of life?

I don't have a fully formed opinion on the matter, but I do think theres a point at which a country provides infrastructure/healthcare/laws that let separate cultures coexist rather than a "melting pot" or national identity. Not saying this is good nor bad

[berserk]

Why don't the Chinese in particular don't interact with locals? I find this really strange. European, American, South American, African, all of them who I've met as exhange students have really wanted to make local friends, but Asians seem to be extremely cliquish whether traveling, working or studying.

I'm fairly certain it's a culture thing, since Singaporeans are practically western in the way they socialize or are at least able to socialize in a western/international way. Same with HK chinese who also blend in fine. Thai's, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese to some extent too, seem very detached.

It's strange because when I was an exchange student in Bangkok, the Chinese were quite friendly and open, and the Thai's very closed and quiet in classes and socially.

It's also if you get some of these chinese exchange girls alone, they'll be in your bed quickly, but you would never guess it from how they act.

My guess here is that it's basically cultural cockblocking, the chinese guys feeling that embracing western culture in the West would lessen their social standing due to other values there and their girls would date out more, so they make sure to keep tight social control of their groups.

[Quintus Curtius]

It's all about these "universities" chasing the money. The Chinese have the money. So they're being catered to by the US and Canadians.

These universities don't care about training, educating, or mentoring the younger generation in their own countries. They don't see them as their future. They see them as a resource to be exploited. As I have said time and time again, you got sold out. They're going to take as much money as they can from these spoiled little Mandarins and use it to line their pockets. These school administrators are vampiric blood-suckers: bullshit jobs that pay a lot. It's one big racket.

For the rich ruling classes here who have sold out their countries, money trumps patriotism.

[Mentavious]

(11-08-2014 02:32 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 02:20 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 02:13 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

If Canada is similar to the U.S. in this respect--that is, if we're going to have different admissions standards for them ("Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African Americans who got 1100"), we might as well let them have their own college--especially if they're paying an order of magnitude more of tuition.

The funny thing about affirmative action is that it penalizes intelligent american born asians the most. The intelligent and rich fobs can just jet back to their homeland and get all the prestige with accolades in China. Not to mention they can transfer knowledge and experience from the U.S. straight into Chinese companies. Whereas the U.S. is busy blocking a percentage of the smartest American born students from receiving the best education due to racial politics.

America's social policies are backwards and probably hurt competitiveness in the long run.

You say that as if it's almost like an accidental bug, but it is a feature of America's racial spoils system that is working as intended.

Sad but true. In a perfect world the student population at Ivy League schools should be 70% Asian

[Wutang]

(11-08-2014 04:40 PM)berserk Wrote:  

Why don't the Chinese in particular don't interact with locals? I find this really strange. European, American, South American, African, all of them who I've met as exhange students have really wanted to make local friends, but Asians seem to be extremely cliquish whether traveling, working or studying.

I'm fairly certain it's a culture thing, since Singaporeans are practically western in the way they socialize or are at least able to socialize in a western/international way. Same with HK chinese who also blend in fine. Thai's, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese to some extent too, seem very detached.

It's strange because when I was an exchange student in Bangkok, the Chinese were quite friendly and open, and the Thai's very closed and quiet in classes and socially.

It's also if you get some of these chinese exchange girls alone, they'll be in your bed quickly, but you would never guess it from how they act.

My guess here is that it's basically cultural cockblocking, the chinese guys feeling that embracing western culture in the West would lessen their social standing due to other values there and their girls would date out more, so they make sure to keep tight social control of their groups.

It's not just a Chinese thing I see similar thing with Koreans and Indians. And I'm not just talking about FOBs but people who were either born in North America or at least grew up in North American and speak perfect English without an accent. I think this is a big reason you see a disproportionately large amount of Asian guys in the PUA/game scene. Lots of these guys grew up with 90% of their social interaction coming from whatever ethnic clique they are part of so they to attend what is basically a remedial class in socializing. When I would do cold approaches I noticed it was the Asian girls that would always tend to give the deer in headlight reactions - compared to girls from other ethnic groups I would say on average Asian girls tended to have lower people skills. Oh and I was doing this as an Asian American so I can only imagine how they would have reacted if i was say a big black guy.

On an (slightly) unrelated note I think this factor (lower amount of social skills at least when it comes to dealing with people outside of their circles) is a reason for why Asian guys and Asian girls have widely differing experiences when it comes to dating in North America. Girls can get away with being shy and unassuming (hell isn't this a reason some white guys have yellow fever, cause they prefer these traits) but for guys it's a death knell when it comes to appearing attractive to the opposite sex.

[Deluge]

Where I'm at the Chinese internationals don't interact with other people at all, they're completely in their own world. The ones I've met from Malaysia though don't stick together, but they come with perfect English and a more Western mindset unlike the Chinese. With the 2nd and 3rd generation though the social circles are all jumbled up, there's no ethnic segregation.

[Sidney Crosby]

I think what pisses off the locals the most is how they flaunt their corruption money. Oh, son your Maserati got impounded? Borrow my Cayenne.

[Laner]

(11-08-2014 07:26 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

I think what pisses off the locals the most is how they flaunt their corruption money. Oh, son your Maserati got impounded? Borrow my Cayenne.

This is even more true in the Chinese communities. Many are becoming more vocal about the bad image it gives all Asians, not just the Chinese. Even the local Chinese call the new rich "Beverly Hillbillies" for their lack of class in regards to money.

These guys game works in the same way as their parents raised them. Just throw money at a problem until it goes away. Problem kid, throw them money. Cant get laid, throw her money. Get in trouble, throw it money.

[Sebastian]

Trust me they all want to hang with 'Americans' But after feeling awkward
(eg: getting looked down) few or many times.
They just give up.
'I just made friends naturally back home. why should I put an effort and still get rejected?'

There is a house party going on campus and those chinese guys (who's open to interacting with other races) shows up at the door. How many people are going to welcome them? (no it's not international house night)
I see the reason right there.

For this new campus issues, it's like they are opening a Club just for chinese people. They can't accept more chinese people to their current club since Locals won't like that (who says 'we like diversity?' no you don't) and it will eventually kill the whole club. so they are building a Special club just for them.

Instead of telling them 'hey we can't have too many of you in our original campus. you know why....'

but 'hey we are building a campus just for you guys. You will see people like you blah blah and you can Stay there'

(11-08-2014 06:18 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

Where I'm at the Chinese internationals don't interact with other people at all, they're completely in their own world. The ones I've met from Malaysia though don't stick together, but they come with perfect English and a more Western mindset unlike the Chinese. With the 2nd and 3rd generation though the social circles are all jumbled up, there's no ethnic segregation.

[Deluge]

I think sticking to your own as a foreigner is normal. Look at Western expat communities in Asia. When you're in an alien culture and there's a lot of people around from your own culture and it's natural to stick to them.

[Saladin]

(11-08-2014 08:35 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

I think sticking to your own as a foreigner is normal. Look at Western expat communities in Asia. When you're in an alien culture and there's a lot of people around from your own culture and it's natural to stick to them.

My mindset has always been to meet local people when you're living in a certain country.

When in Rome....

Obviously if you're in a country for a couple weeks you're not going to make any friends... but if you're in a place for months or years you need to put in the effort to pick up some culture, the language, meet locals.

[WesternCancer]

(11-08-2014 04:40 PM)berserk Wrote:  

Why don't the Chinese in particular don't interact with locals? I find this really strange. European, American, South American, African, all of them who I've met as exhange students have really wanted to make local friends, but Asians seem to be extremely cliquish whether traveling, working or studying.

From what I've experienced all ethnicities follow the same pattern of cliquey-ness, but certain ones are more open to meeting others outside their group. I assume its associated with what kinds of people you're meeting and what the culture they're coming from is like.

Irish kids fill the campus in the summers pretty much only to party. They all stick together with all the other Irish kids (who they never knew before the trip). Of course they're going to be more open to meeting people outside their group.

The second thing you have to take into consideration is what is the average person thinking when they try to go make friends.

No matter what their ethnicity is the average person is worrying about what the other person/group will think of them and how they will gain acceptance all the while trying to avoid any painful emotions like rejection.

Whats the easiest thing to do if you're a student at a new university, or a recent immigrant, or even just someone who's moved across town or are starting a new chapter in their lives

They seek out people with similar hobbies, interests, and more importantly culture/background.

First generation immigrants stick with first generation immigrants because of their shared experiences and recent connection to their homeland.

Second generation children of immigrants, or children of more 'traditional' parents will stay with like. Their biggest shared experience would be the clash between the parents' old world values and what they are experiencing in their birth country.

Is the same reason sports fans stick together, or basic bitches who like pumpkin spice lattees and ugg boots. Why you never really find Christians hanging out with Muslims. Its simply less of a social risk (avoiding painful rejection) to stick with someone who is just like you.

[Deluge]

(11-08-2014 08:39 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 08:35 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

I think sticking to your own as a foreigner is normal. Look at Western expat communities in Asia. When you're in an alien culture and there's a lot of people around from your own culture and it's natural to stick to them.

My mindset has always been to meet local people when you're living in a certain country.

When in Rome....

Obviously if you're in a country for a couple weeks you're not going to make any friends... but if you're in a place for months or years you need to put in the effort to pick up some culture, the language, meet locals.

Yeah but most people don't actually do that. Even the exchange students at my university (who are mostly from the U.K and Western/Northern Europe) mostly hang out with the other exchange kids. They get introduced to each other at exchange welcome events in the weeks before semester starts and are likely to live in the same halls so they become their own insular group even though they all speak good English and are culturally similar to everyone else.

[El Chinito loco]

(11-08-2014 07:59 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 07:26 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

I think what pisses off the locals the most is how they flaunt their corruption money. Oh, son your Maserati got impounded? Borrow my Cayenne.

This is even more true in the Chinese communities. Many are becoming more vocal about the bad image it gives all Asians, not just the Chinese. Even the local Chinese call the new rich "Beverly Hillbillies" for their lack of class in regards to money.

These guys game works in the same way as their parents raised them. Just throw money at a problem until it goes away. Problem kid, throw them money. Cant get laid, throw her money. Get in trouble, throw it money.

In the asian media the kids of the noveau rich are referred to as ""princelings or princesses" and another common nickname given to spoiled children is "shao huan di" which translates out to little emperor.

This isn't just a Chinese thing though. A lot of the kids of the noveau rich in SE/NE Asia are bratty if not outright psychopaths.

A few examples I can think of:

Justin Lee (Son of wealthy Taiwan CEO) : This upstanding citizen decided to drug, rape, and video tape numerous (40+) Taiwanese actresses/models for shits and giggles. A guy like this can get 10's legitimately but decided to act out sick fantasies instead.

Vorayuth Yoovidhya (Thai redbull heir): He hit a cop with his ferrari and dragged his body a few dozen feet without stopping. Then he fled to his gated estate in Thonglor and tried to pay off his housekeeper or whatever to take the fall. He was all coked up. I'm pretty sure i've seen this guy in person in a Thai nightclub before.

Crown prince of Thailand. I won't go too much into it but you can google this dude's exploits in thailand and abroad. He's almost legendary for his "people skills."

There are just too many incidents to list. A lot of these rich kids make the secret misdeeds of the Kennedys or Duponts look petty.

[berserk]

(11-08-2014 08:44 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 04:40 PM)berserk Wrote:  

Why don't the Chinese in particular don't interact with locals? I find this really strange. European, American, South American, African, all of them who I've met as exhange students have really wanted to make local friends, but Asians seem to be extremely cliquish whether traveling, working or studying.

From what I've experienced all ethnicities follow the same pattern of cliquey-ness, but certain ones are more open to meeting others outside their group. I assume its associated with what kinds of people you're meeting and what the culture they're coming from is like.

Irish kids fill the campus in the summers pretty much only to party. They all stick together with all the other Irish kids (who they never knew before the trip). Of course they're going to be more open to meeting people outside their group.

The second thing you have to take into consideration is what is the average person thinking when they try to go make friends.

No matter what their ethnicity is the average person is worrying about what the other person/group will think of them and how they will gain acceptance all the while trying to avoid any painful emotions like rejection.

Whats the easiest thing to do if you're a student at a new university, or a recent immigrant, or even just someone who's moved across town or are starting a new chapter in their lives

They seek out people with similar hobbies, interests, and more importantly culture/background.

First generation immigrants stick with first generation immigrants because of their shared experiences and recent connection to their homeland.

Second generation children of immigrants, or children of more 'traditional' parents will stay with like. Their biggest shared experience would be the clash between the parents' old world values and what they are experiencing in their birth country.

Is the same reason sports fans stick together, or basic bitches who like pumpkin spice lattees and ugg boots. Why you never really find Christians hanging out with Muslims. Its simply less of a social risk (avoiding painful rejection) to stick with someone who is just like you.

I realize the earlier post could seem like an attack. It's not at all. I am speaking from quite a lot of experience with exchange students at several unis and both home and abroad.

I agree with everything you wrote in general.

It's still my experience that Chinese/Asians in the west are less outwards oriented than people from other regions and here I am talking about people from very diverse backgrounds.

Yes, everyone stick together, but I think there is a cultural aspect of group vs individual that is overlooked and I think group shaming is much stronger in Asian cultures than in other cultures. What I mean, is that every girl from every country in the western hemisphere are going on exchange and loosing all shameful inhibitions in regards to sex. What happens in Europe, stays in Europe. I've seen and experienced the bountiful fruits of American girls on exchange.

I don't see this as much with Asian (female) students. They are not present at parties, they are not at dorm room meetups, they are not getting local boyfriends (as much).

I don't believe that Asian girls are fundamentally different from any other girl who loses her inhibitions when travelling, so my conclusion is that they are still subject to social in-group shaming even when abroad.

Now, I did once get a Chinese girl home who was on exchange. She was actually very eager once separated, but you would never have guessed it if you watched how the group she was in operated - centered around themselves and barely interacting outside. Yet, removed from the group, it was all but 5 minutes and she suggested we get back home.

Again, no Asian hate here, just speculation.

[Deepdiver]

2015 Update interesting article I am honestly surprised that more European or Asian Schools did not make the top 10 or even 20 cut:

http://news.yahoo.com/us-institutions-do...50515.html

US institutions dominate China ranking of top universities:

Shanghai (AFP) - US universities ruled the top 10 spots in a global ranking conducted by a Chinese research centre with Harvard taking the crown for the 13th year.

The top 10 universities were virtually unchanged from last year with Stanford and MIT again coming in second and third, according to the Academic Ranking of World Universities released by a centre under Shanghai Jiaotong University.

The University of California at Berkeley, Princeton University and the California Institute of Technology remained in the same places -- ranking fourth, sixth and seventh respectively.

Columbia University and University of Chicago came in at eighth and ninth.

University of Cambridge and University of Oxford, the only two non-American universities in the top 10, were fifth and 10th.

The only difference was that last year Chicago and Oxford were tied for ninth place while this year the US establishment held the place alone with the British institution slipping a notch.

The Center of World-Class Universities under Jiaotong University surveys 1,200 universities and picks the top 500 every year.

Though the Chinese organiser claims the ranking to be "the most trustworthy", European officials have in the past criticised it for being biased against Europe's universities as it underemphasise the humanities and stresses sciences.

Only two other non-American institutions, both from Europe, made it into the top 20, with University College London climbing two places from last year to 18th and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich dropping to 20th from 19th but still remaining as the highest-ranked continental European institution.

The organiser, which initially intended to benchmark the performance of Chinese universities, said the result was based on transparent methodology and third-party data.

It said the result was calculated based on several parameters, including the number of alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals.

For mainland China, Shanghai Jiaotong University itself advanced four places to come in 118th and Peking University climbed to 115th and remained as the highest-ranked school in the country.

In the Asia-Pacific region, the University of Tokyo was 21st and Kyoto University, also in Japan, remained in the same place as last year to come in 26th.

###

Interesting that a buddies niece by marriage - his brother worked for GE in China and married a mainland Chinese woman who's father owned a large injection moldings plant that made interior parts for Audi and BMW and now lives in North Carolina RTP area - the niece went to Harvard so must have had decent grades to get in. She was incredulous at the waste of time and money of the US two party vs a one party system as it seemed to her that our political parties were basically always campaigning or fund raising... of course China's one party system seemed so much more competitive and efficient to her. Does not look like China going to a parliamentary system any time soon (like Japan).

[MKDAWUSS]

Which Chinese are we talking about? PR China or Rep. China?

[El Chinito loco]

(08-15-2015 04:00 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

The Center of World-Class Universities under Jiaotong University surveys 1,200 universities and picks the top 500 every year.

Though the Chinese organiser claims the ranking to be "the most trustworthy", European officials have in the past criticised it for being biased against Europe's universities as it underemphasise the humanities and stresses sciences.

...

It said the result was calculated based on several parameters, including the number of alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals.

This is a fair point and a problem with many of these rankings. Instead of focusing on award winning alumni they should actually figure out what proportion of grads go on to be successful in real life. Don't just focus on the extraordinary alumni but the student base as a whole.

A lot of the innovators and the richest men in the world never even finished school to begin with.

China is correct about their rankings though, a lot of humanities majors these days are comprised of largely worthless bullshit coursework.

Nowhere is this more apparent than in the U.S. and Canada where people are being indoctrinated in backwards drivel which is leading to an entire generation of socially stunted people.

[Bad Hussar]

(11-08-2014 07:36 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Most of the foreign Chinese here are buying central city apartments as investment properties rent out. It's actually a good thing for most people, the huge new apartment buildings they're building here are built solely to cater to Chinese demand, and the glut of apartments is driving down rents in the city centre. I don't understand why they keep buying them with falling rents and no capital growth but their appetite is voracious.

...

Absolutely. They are about (no, don't know exactly when...) to get crushed, but their irrational optimism has resulted in a lot of buildings rising up where, based on sane economic considerations, there should be empty lots or low-rises. Maybe boom-bust is the only way stuff gets done. Tech companies from San Francisco should take a close look at Vancouver. It's not feasible now, but after the real estate bust they could do worse than move a lot of their staff up there. It's a good location for techies. Can$ is in the toilet and likely to remain there for some years. Low rents now, and lower still when the empty downtown investment condo's are repossessed by the banks. Also, much more reasonable sale prices in a year or two, so family oriented staff should be able to buy if desired as well.

But on the original post:
UBC should really be building this university as a satellite in China itself. Like many US universities have done in the Gulf. They are going to run into legal issues if they really make it a "Mainland Chinese only" institution. That would almost certainly be against some Canadian law. Probably the Canadian Charter of Rights itself. If they need money that badly they should be selling more of their lands. Move the freeloading professors out to Surrey.

[reachman]

(11-08-2014 12:40 AM)komatiite Wrote:  

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...-1.2826142

Weird story- the University of British Columbia in Vancouver is opening a $127 million college on campus with the caveat that the only students who are allowed to enrol are Chinese citizens. Obviously this is infuriating the entire rest of the campus, as dorms, research, renovations etc will be passed over for the construction of this college that will give Chinese kids a year to acclimate to the Canadian university experience.

Tuition is 50K a year.

Obviously its a cash grab for UBC (University of a Billion Chinese?) but this makes me feel bad for young Canadians who get into UBC. None of these kids are going to bother integrating into the campus culture, and will fuck off back to China with a good education from a top Canadian school. Especially since it`s clear most of the Chinese kids will likely enrol in hard science degrees, and Canada clearly could use some top scientific minds developed due to our general lack of innovation (besides natural resource sector breakthroughs like SAGD in the oil sands, what have we really innovated? Nortel and Blackberry set telecommunication standards, but then collapsed when American innovation improved upon the initial idea).

Imagine all of the Canadian kids who will have to compete with Chinese kids for grade curve GPA, get into classes, which could be tricky, since Chinese students are notorious cheaters.

I know lots of top US schools love Chinese students because they pay, but I think the complete blockage of Canadian citizen applicants is unprecedented.

Stumbled across this thread for the first time.

Vantage College is focused on intensive improvement in the area of English language skills. So it is only relevant for students who do not meet the English language requirements to enter university. After the 1 year program at Vantage, students would then transfer into "regular" UBC. Or so goes the plan....

[Tytalus]

UBC has been catering to Asian students since the late 90's, I know because I went to UBC in '02.

The reason why UBC (and btw, the entire University&College) is competing so hard for Asian cash is the fact that the local provincial BC government has been starving them and the rest of the University system of funding for years. Also, there is a law in BC that tuition rates cannot go up by more than 2% or 3% a year, so schools can't charge what it costs them to do business even with the block funding by the provincial government. BC leads Canada in the use of sessional or adjunct faculty by a large margin.

Why is this? Healthcare costs. Over 60% of the BC provincial budget goes directly to the Ministry of Healthcare - I shit you not. We have a healthcare ministry that happens to also be a provincial government, not the other way around. All the other ministries are being drained so Healthcare, the #1 thing people vote about over here, stays in shape.

The economy here is lousy, and so the government does not have "new revenue procurement" options. They also refuse to reform how we deliver healthcare to a Swedish model (which ironically is actually more capitalist than what we have here) which would lower costs.

[komatiite]

^Yeah healthcare must be such a drain out there. Just from personal experience, I know so many people who have families that retired out there on the island, Kelowna, Van etc. It's not going to stop anytime soon- my bud is a contractor in a town by Nanaimo and he was saying that there are hundreds of Albertans flooding out there in that 50 to 60 age range who had good careers in the oil biz but don't want the stress of trying to break even under the new NDP regime in Alberta and are just retiring and building dream homes out there.

Odd how in Canada you can buy a case of beer, a bag of weed and a pack of smokes but you can't spend a dime on your own healthcare.

[reachman]

(08-22-2015 02:38 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

UBC has been catering to Asian students since the late 90's, I know because I went to UBC in '02.

The reason why UBC (and btw, the entire University&College) is competing so hard for Asian cash is the fact that the local provincial BC government has been starving them and the rest of the University system of funding for years. Also, there is a law in BC that tuition rates cannot go up by more than 2% or 3% a year, so schools can't charge what it costs them to do business even with the block funding by the provincial government. BC leads Canada in the use of sessional or adjunct faculty by a large margin.

Why is this? Healthcare costs. Over 60% of the BC provincial budget goes directly to the Ministry of Healthcare - I shit you not. We have a healthcare ministry that happens to also be a provincial government, not the other way around. All the other ministries are being drained so Healthcare, the #1 thing people vote about over here, stays in shape.

The economy here is lousy, and so the government does not have "new revenue procurement" options. They also refuse to reform how we deliver healthcare to a Swedish model (which ironically is actually more capitalist than what we have here) which would lower costs.

I agree. Funding cuts have hit BC universities hard. International students pay much higher tuition which is why UBC wants international students.

I realize this thread discussed Chinese specifically. To clarify regarding Vantage College, it is small at this point - only had 187 students last year. There are more than just Chinese students at Vantage. The website had video bios of 3 students, a latina from Honduras, a latino from Ecquador, and a Chinese girl. But the Chinese girl spoke good English and moved to the US for high school.

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(08-22-2015 02:55 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

^Yeah healthcare must be such a drain out there. Just from personal experience, I know so many people who have families that retired out there on the island, Kelowna, Van etc. It's not going to stop anytime soon- my bud is a contractor in a town by Nanaimo and he was saying that there are hundreds of Albertans flooding out there in that 50 to 60 age range who had good careers in the oil biz but don't want the stress of trying to break even under the new NDP regime in Alberta and are just retiring and building dream homes out there.

Odd how in Canada you can buy a case of beer, a bag of weed and a pack of smokes but you can't spend a dime on your own healthcare.

Yeah, Vancouver Island and parts of the Metro Vancouver area - White Rock for example have been popular retirement spots. Perhaps the number of transplanted retirees will grow. I don't have numbers so can't say. I'm in my early 33s, lived my whole live in Vancouver. When I was a kid there were friends of my elderly relatives who retired in Vancouver. Well a lot of people had moved from other provinces.

Health care, that's a complex subject man. I won't go into much detail. Actually the term "free" healthcare is somewhat of a misnomer. As there are 2 types of insurance Provincial Government medical and extended medical. In BC a single person pays $70 per month in premiums for the provincial government medical but it covers only certain services. Hospitals, doctors, a few other services. Extended health is usually through your employer for things like dental, eyes, massage, physio etc. Most people I know pay out of pocket for aspects of their health care. but I realize it depends which area of health care we are discussing.