[Sebastian]

I've been going to salsa class for couple months now. you can learn valuable skills as a man while dancing with ladies. They rotate the partners often so you will get to meet all women in class. I highly recommend it.

There is this girl I danced with few times in class. (exotic looking redhead)

She has been friendly when dancing with me which is nothing special.

Today was totally different. She was looking into my eyes whole time while dancing.
It was like the stare you get from a girl when you are about to make a love to her on bed. She didn't move her eyes at all. it was so intense that I had to look elsewhere pretending I am looking at steps since It got me so nervous.

The problem is she comes with a guy in a same car (this is small town. everybody has a car)
Usually couple stays with each other whole time but some couple dances with other people.
I haven't seen them interacting like a couple.

I can simply ask if they are together but I am also curious what if she would still come out to meet me at a coffee shop even though they are together.

When she said 'see you next week' with a bright smile, the guy didn't seem happy about it. So it's possible he is just hanging with her hoping to get her sometime.
It puts me in weird position to ask her number in front of him after class.

What would you do in this situation?

ask her if they are together? if she says yes, then forget about it?
or just ask she would meet me at this coffee shop sometime this week?

[edtf]

The guy might just be a beta orbiter, who is inviting her to take salsa lessons together in order to try to build rapport and get with her. She probably sees him as just a friend and a free ride to save gas money, and might be attracted to you. Steer the conversation towards what she likes to do, and if its something you like to do too, then invite her out sometime. If she says yes, grab her number for the purpose of getting in touch with her to set it up.

for example, if she likes outdoors and hiking, you can invite her out to a trail hike. or if she likes wine, tell her about a wine tasting you were going to hit up and that she should come along.

[Dalaran1991]

Wait until JJG reads this and let you in on a world of wisdom.

Been dancing salsa non-stop 4 times/week for 6 months now. Things like this happen to me on a regular basis. Girls would be dancing exclusively with you, do all the sexy moves, eye fuck the hell out of you etc. You will have a shit ton of blank IOI. I call it blank because in salsa girls feel free to get sexual and flirty without any social repercussion.

And yes, cockblocking from other guys is a problem. No girl ever goes to salsa without a date.

In your case you have to totally ignore the guy. Be polite but focus your attention on the girl and ESCALATE hard. I can't stress this enough man. Yesterday I just came back from another dance with this cute long redhead who's been giving me a rain of IOIs. She's been evasive so far so I escalate hard. She doesn't squeeze. I got fed up and leave to dance with other girls. She was quickly cock-attention jumping half of the guys in the room. Waste of time.

If she is receptive with your escalation, suggest venue change. In salsa you NEED compliance test. Lotta girls go there just to dance and feel sexual and those will not leave with you. A girl that likes you enough will at least agree to venue change.

[Wayout]

Girls come to social dances to feel sexy,get some attention,get sexual with strangers without consequences....etc! But they come home to their boyfriends/husbands who sit all night home playing video games. Been doing this for over 10 years with much effort...only got 2 lays from it! Thanks God i love to dance!
ROI is worse than walking around cold approaching girls and asking for sex!It only looks promising!

[Dalaran1991]

(10-29-2014 05:07 AM)Wayout Wrote:  

Girls come to social dances to feel sexy,get some attention,get sexual with strangers without consequences....etc! But they come home to their boyfriends/husbands who sit all night home playing video games. Been doing this for over 10 years with much effort...only got 2 lays from it! Thanks God i love to dance!
ROI is worse than walking around cold approaching girls and asking for sex!It only looks promising!

Wouldn't dish dance game altogether. There's a way to rig the system to your advantage. It's not a coincidence all my dance teachers are fucking alphas and have tight game, and they sure didn't start out as instructors right away. They work their way up and game the system.

Good news: dance game works great on girls who don't dance. Once a girl gets embedded in the dance scene, it's like she has the female equivalent of Mystery Method.

[Sebastian]

What happened with those blank IOI girls? they were eye fucking you whole time and when you asked them out or went for the number, did they freeze??

Btw, it's a regular class. it's bright inside and people act properly.
Maybe I can grab her hand tight and keep her closer to me but that's all I can do.

If I want to get her number, he will see it.
(he will get bitter for bringing her to class, she might feel guilty etc)
So I will just casually invite her to coffee shop to meet me.

I am still thinking if I should throw 'how come you don't stay with your BF' to see her reaction though.

Whatever happens, I will update the result next week so other people interested in taking dance class, can prepare themselves.

(10-29-2014 03:37 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Wait until JJG reads this and let you in on a world of wisdom.

Been dancing salsa non-stop 4 times/week for 6 months now. Things like this happen to me on a regular basis. Girls would be dancing exclusively with you, do all the sexy moves, eye fuck the hell out of you etc. You will have a shit ton of blank IOI. I call it blank because in salsa girls feel free to get sexual and flirty without any social repercussion.

And yes, cockblocking from other guys is a problem. No girl ever goes to salsa without a date.

In your case you have to totally ignore the guy. Be polite but focus your attention on the girl and ESCALATE hard. I can't stress this enough man. Yesterday I just came back from another dance with this cute long redhead who's been giving me a rain of IOIs. She's been evasive so far so I escalate hard. She doesn't squeeze. I got fed up and leave to dance with other girls. She was quickly cock-attention jumping half of the guys in the room. Waste of time.

If she is receptive with your escalation, suggest venue change. In salsa you NEED compliance test. Lotta girls go there just to dance and feel sexual and those will not leave with you. A girl that likes you enough will at least agree to venue change.

[Dalaran1991]

(10-30-2014 01:23 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

What happened with those blank IOI girls? they were eye fucking you whole time and when you asked them out or went for the number, did they freeze??

Btw, it's a regular class. it's bright inside and people act properly.
Maybe I can grab her hand tight and keep her closer to me but that's all I can do.

If I want to get her number, he will see it.
(he will get bitter for bringing her to class, she might feel guilty etc)
So I will just casually invite her to coffee shop to meet me.

I am still thinking if I should throw 'how come you don't stay with your BF' to see her reaction though.

Whatever happens, I will update the result next week so other people interested in taking dance class, can prepare themselves.

Yes. They froze. I ignored and game as usual. Still froze. After that it gets awkward. I couldn't care less so next.

Just now get two texts from two girls who love dancing with me asking why I didn't come to dance yesterday. One is a girl who likes to cock-dive all the guys at dance, been using me to take her to new venues. Another is a more enjoyable but much more prudent girl.

I don't give a damn if he sees you grab her ass. If you want to be a good dancer you have to be aggressive. Look at the top dancers in your venues you will see what I mean. If u want to game her u need to be even more aggressive. If he's her boyfriend, great she will tell ya so you don't waste time. He will not start a fight with you (better that he does, it will paint him as the asshole for the entire class).

I'm nowhere near the best dancers but girls of all levels flock to dance with me because I have that gung ho attitude. I come and grab girls to the floor. I flip and lift them in the air while the betas who get one dance every lesson tell me, while leaning against the wall "you can't do that men", not noticing that the girls are in awe. Don't be that guy.

Asking her to coffee don't do shit. Every single girl who enjoys a dance with you will agree to have a drink with you. I don't even get numbers anymore because girls hand them to you on a silver platter. The danger is this: they are milking you for attention whoring. When they have fun dancing or dance with a skilled guy they get attention and status. They will go out with you but will stop at anything sexual. Huge waste of time. You need to let the cat out of the bag right away.

I tell my girls straight up with a DHV line "I look for a profound connection in my partner. If you want me just for dancing there are a hundred guys out there. Come back when you are serious".

I highly recommend you PMing JJG. He's an excellent dance gamer and a solid contributor.

[heavy]

I wouldn't ask her if they are together.

Before leaving her presence for the night, get her number and say you should get together. She'll let you know directly or indirectly if she doesn't want to (regardless of her having a bf/fb/orbiter/whatever). You are merely expressing interest, it's up to her to let you know if she reciprocates. Don't over-think it.

She sounds like a girl willing to take the lead and use her feminine charm for attention and getting what she wants. I'm guessing she has one of two situations:

1. She's not interested and is basically being friendly to you. If this is the case and she turns you down, she'll be smooth about it. She's cool enough to brush it off and not think anything of it if she's not interested (whether it's because she's just not interested or she has a bf or whatever). She's also popular around town, so work the social circle game with her...it can't hurt.

2. She's interested in you and willing to be somewhat conspicuous about it (not her characteristics I mentioned above). I would say you don't need to push and lead her as much as other girls.

This is based on very little info, but deep direct eye contact with a mere acquaintance makes me think she's that kinda girl (I love these types).

Quote:

If I want to get her number, he will see it.

Dude, learn how to short-term memorize a phone number.

Edit: I decided yesterday I'm going to start going to our swing dancing class downtown...add a new tool to the shed.

[El_gato]

I have been dancing salsa solidly for the past year now. Definitely a good way to meet quality woman and raise your game. If you like dancing then bonus. I am currently in a casual banging relationship with a girl I met 5 months ago. I originally chatted her up to use her as bait and not look like the other thirsty dudes out at socials. I initially had low IOI from her and didn't care. One night she met me and had short tight cutoffs on and tight t- shirt. Got my interest and the rest is history.
I would say the salsa scene is 6/10 way to game but not ideal . I agree with the statement that the better you can dance the more you can game. I am now at intermediate level and can feel the excitement newbie girls have when dancing with me. There should be an opportunity to game with the girls new to the scene.
My advice is to always gage the IOI by the level of conversation you have with the girls - some broads don't talk much and are there just to dance. When you get an IOI, ask them out to go dancing sometime - at studio socials first then escalate to a bar after comfort zone is established (and you are both texting on a regular basis)
Going for fast game will most likely lead to dissapoinent - run a slow game with multiple dance partners at multiple studios. Don't come off as thirsty - enjoy the dancing - improve you skills - and get to know lots of girls while gaging their IOI . With respect to the red head's guy friend - he is beta orbiter / bodyguard - some girls don't like going to socials alone and need the beta male on their arm.
Don't be like the other guys who confuse dancing with an IOI - my shag friend gets hit on all of the time and doesn't like it. She is sleeping with me because "I slid silently into her life"
Feel free to PM me for more dialogue