[DarkTriad]

You have to internalize this stuff so you're no longer "acting alpha" you ARE alpha. You can build up resevoirs of respect, lust and love, but the game never ends whether you realize you're playing it or not. Every you act like a shmuck, you're going to chip away at the love and respect she has for you. It sucks, but that's life. Do you want to be aware of it, or just someday wonder why your marriage went to shit and your wife divorced you "out of nowhere".

[Wahawahwah]

Nomad - Its all about knowing who you are, what you want out of life.
Look, no man out there is gonna click with every single hot girl out there.

Game is an added skillset to your life, its not merely something you do to get girls.
And every single person's game on this forum, and in life is different.

You know what kind of girls turn you on right? Filter them out and go after them, don't go after a girl just because she's hot.
Go after girls you KNOW fit your mold. Go after girls who turn you on. Go after girls you think you will enjoy being around. And be ruthless about it.
You only get one life man.

There is a time and place for acting in the initial part of the pickup and throughout the relationship, I agree.

But essentially, at the end of the day, if you constantly find yourself at odds with the girl you're with, you've got to ask yourself would you be better off with someone else?

You don't like rough sex right? Give the girl some rough sex occassionally, but make it clear to her that you don't get off it too much. Find a girl who DOES get off to who and what you are, and then game wont be such a big burden.

You WILL respond better to girls who you find are interesting and vice versa.

Game, in its purest form, is immersion. It is who you are, as a man.

[monster]

(09-27-2014 12:31 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

The problem is that your "gaming personality" is different from your "authentic personality".

You are not free to be authentic. You are a performer, performing game.

I think this thread could easily have been retitled "The Problem with Life is that You Have to Keep Living." There's a lot of shitty things about life, but what do you do: you can't give up, you have to get back up and do it all again.

...The Exit Door Leads In...you're back in through the out door...there's no escape.

I agree with the disparity between 2 different perspectives: the 'game' you and the 'real' you and that I think it's up to you to reconcile the two to make one 'whole' you. Similar to the disparity between the 'ideal' life and the 'real' life...you're real life is never going to be the ideal, but it's about acceptance of the chaos to find something resembling inner peace or contentment.

This is a hard acceptance to make...very hard. In fact, the inner struggle between what you want and how things are is essentially the basis of every damn song lyric, book, movie, law, etc out there. But it's really the only thing we have to reconcile the divide and reach beyond the division to find self-acceptance and happiness (whatever that may be).

[WestIndianArchie]

The truth about game

1. Regular guys who are not strategic about dating women
- don't get a lot of notches
- settle for girls that they think are appropriate for them
- their relationships still fail

2. Regular guys who discover game
- get more notches
- aim and get hotter girls
- their relationships still fail
- think of game like it was sales. The thought of constantly selling something, and never just chilling is repulsive

3. Guys who internalize game
- get even more notches
- aim and get hotter girls
- relationships still fail (per Nomad77, you only bring 50%)
- they stop thinking about game as something external, but just who they are

4. Guys with game who get the Red Pill
- get even more notches
- aim for and get hotter girls
- their relationships still fail, but they aren't destroyed by it

The Red Pill man is aware that a woman is her own person. Her emotions and reasons for doing things are her own.

She can't be communicated to.
She can't be reasoned with.
She can't be controlled.
She can't be persuaded.

Cowboys have a saying, You can bring a woman to the library, but you can't make her think.

That's the essence of woman.

She'll do things in the moment that hurt both her short term and long term interests.

She'll hurt her friends and family.
She'll hurt her own children.

Of course she'll defy you, lie to you, ignore you, hurt you.

So the issue isn't about being always "on".

Or polarizing chicks from the very beginning, and only pursuing those who aren't repulsed by your honesty/vulnerability.

Those are hacks to the game. It's essentially "Just Be Yourself" on steroids.

The guys pushing that philosophy typically don't have long term relationships.

Why?
- if tricks and schemes don't work
- if being authentic doesn't work

What works?

Nothing.

There is no easy going woman. It's a myth. A fairy tale that mothers tell their children before they go to sleep at night.

There are plenty of guys who claim to have met her, or are currently in an LTR with her. But little by little she's changing. She's getting used to them, bored with them, bored with her life. And in the West, where women have lots of freedom, they can always hit the reset button.

No woman is ever satisfied.
At best, she may just be resigned to her fate.

The situation will always be dynamic, never static.

Whatever strategy you adopt
- to relax and be "yourself"
- to always be "on"

Your actions can't ever secure the future that you want, because her staying by your side, being a good partner, making your life better - is up to her.

But if she wants the same, a loyal guy, a good partner, a guy that can make her life easier and better - all she has to do want it.

WIA

[redbeard]

WIA -

[Parlay44]

I agree. Game is exhausting. To keep a woman interested as an "average guy" with game it takes constant work. Whereas if you're a male model, built like Arnold Schwarzenegger or flush with cash pussy falls from the sky and keeps itself inline.

[Nomad77]

I told one of the girls: "I always have to be strong with you. It's the only thing you respect." And she goes: "I know." Literally, it's like being in a cage with a tiger with these girls. Any sign of weakness and they start treating you like shit. Interestingly enough, she doesn't want me to end the relationship. She said, I should do whatever I feel is necessary to correct things. That I need to correct her when she is doing something wrong - great, more work for me.

At the heart of the problem is these girls have become just so self-centered. They are like little kids. They don't even know they are being inconsiderate and selfish. She was a little shocked when I started telling her all of the ways she has acted in an inconsiderate and selfish manner.

My good looking friends don't have it much easier unless the girl is two or more points below them. A girl that's at their level give them as much shit as I get.

[Moma]

(09-27-2014 02:18 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I agree Moma but the foreign girls don't stay they are tourist, they leave. The Latin girls are not into me. So that leaves the 10% white American and European girls that live here.

If you are in Miami, you have to listen to Latin music. You can't wish for Europeans and stay in Miami, you can't blame the city for that.

I wanted big assed tatted black lizards so I came to America. Miami is a pump and dump city, you can run theories forever but it's not the city you go to look for quality LTR. Every dude I know has to encounter that and deal with it. Those who don't acknowledge it are smoking.

You just gotta keep gaming FOBs. You won't have to spit as much American game at them and it will take less game to refresh your Euro team. That's the bottom line. There is NO OTHER WAY...

[Teddykgb]

FOB?

[Nomad77]

Fresh Off the Boat - girls that have just arrived in the country. You have about six months before the become Americanized.

[Moma]

(09-27-2014 05:43 PM)Teddykgb Wrote:  

FOB?

Fresh Off the Boat. New immigrants not yet polluted by the American feminist machine.

[Nomad77]

What really worries me is that the level of dominance that is now required to keep these girls inline is way out there. As a country we are now in S&M territory. And most guys out there are not going to be able to pull this off. You would need a warped personality or be psychotic to some degree. Girls in this country are really becoming a sick bunch.

I recently photographed this girl who was driven to the shoot by her best friend - this really nice guy. And this girl was treating this guy like shit! And he just sat there and took it without a word. I was burning inside. I wanted to dress her down but that would not have helped anyone or anything.

[Comte De St. Germain]

Gio and WIA dropped gold on this thread.


My game is 100% authentic and a part of myself. Want to know why? It's a part of my frame. It is my outlook and my viewpoint. The girls eat it up because it's dominant but authentic and warm. Humans in general need connections period. My millennial generation is starved of emotions and real connections. Getting someone to open up, male or female, is an amazing thing every time I see it. When you talk without filters and without masks it truly is breathtaking. Of course as game aware men we tell them half-truths. We tell those close to us the true part of us that they will enjoy and relate too, but in the end it's still authentic and it's still you. Don't show weakness but show compassion. As WIA put it the red pill is a part of us and so that we know people and truly establish connections with them however short though we don't end up hurt by them. You realize human nature. In the end being red pill is only being a more confident, dominant, and in control version of yourself. Game is showing your strengths and keeping your weaknesses in check.

[Parlay44]

(09-27-2014 06:26 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

What really worries me is that the level of dominance that is now required to keep these girls inline is way out there. As a country we are now in S&M territory. And most guys out there are not going to be able to pull this off. You would need a warped personality or be psychotic to some degree. Girls in this country are really becoming a sick bunch.

I recently photographed this girl who was driven to the shoot by her best friend - this really nice guy. And this girl was treating this guy like shit! And he just sat there and took it without a word. I was burning inside. I wanted to dress her down but that would not have helped anyone or anything.

It's true. Problem is this puts men at risk for being labelled as abusive and/or sex offenders at a woman's whim. You almost have to go beta on them so they get turned off and go away nicely.

[la_mode]

Men can't really be "themselves", unless the guy by nature has a suave Don Draper-esque personality and looks the part. Most men don't. The average male isn't even a cool guy. Just being a cool guy will put you ahead of the rest. There's always exceptions to every rule, of course.

My good friend, the former west-side Chicago pimp would always talk about the topic of "cool". He once said: "If you got a goofy ass walk, posture, or laugh, then you just ain't cool"

The same can apply to women. If only a few variables are off (or even one), your SMW can go down dramatically, so the concept of "game" is there to mitigate that.

What can get annoying for most men who know game and aren't so-called "naturals", is this feeling of always having to stay on top. There isn't much room to relax and simply decompress. Even naturals can have a hard time with it, i.e. the natural can still easily slip-up, and even the most alpha naturals have been cheated on, just at a much lower rate than the average beta-with-beta-provider-game.

Women just have to show up, not be fat, and not be too annoying, preferably at least average looking, and they'll have a revolving door of potential suitors. They don't have to "act right". Once again, ratios in the west are partially to blame. Once you look past women with multiple "baby daddy's", fat women, generally insufferable personality types, or all of the above - the US really has terrible ratios.

I do think there's been a new trend the past 5-10 years where attractive "single" women are usually seeing multiple men at all times to satisfy different needs. Women have options like no other with smartphone apps. It's never been like this before in history.

Anyone who has seen Lars Von Trier's "Nymphomaniac" (based in the 80s) will see all she had to go through to schedule her multiple liasons and make sure they didn't overlap. Now a woman just opens the phone, the facebook notifications are there, the "likes" on whatever dumb comment she made are there, the KIK/Snapchat/Whatsapp messages, the missed texts, the missed calls, the Tinder matches, the POF/OKC/match/blendr messages.

http:// [url=http://www.youtube.com/watc...0qpDg5y7Lo[/url]

It's basically that, x infinity with smartphones.

Essentially, the average woman can choose 3 men at any given time, or as many as her schedule permits. If she's crafty enough, she'll have multiple men playing the provider role (the clowns who buy her gifts, pay her phone bill for very little in return) and then other men who she bangs (who may not even necessarily be traditional alphas), some men who are somewhere in between. Unless prostitution is legalized and some immigration program is implemented specifically bringing in attractive foreign women instead of more nerds from India, the ratios will only get worse and crime committed by sexless men will continue to rise.

It's at a point in the US where alphas are competing for average women. In short, game matters more than ever.

[dog24]

I cant imagine a scenario where saying i always have to be strong with you doesnt make you look like a bitch in her eyes. Why are you so scared of raising your voice a little bit or if they are behaving that bad why dont you just tell them you know i tired of putting up with your shit, get the fuck out and i dont want to see you anymore? Seems to me that you know you have to get stronger but dont really want to do it... As much as guys in here talk about respect among males and such most guys arent gonna respect you and be nice to you unless they actually think you can knock out a couple of teeth from them if they start looking for trouble, and there is no point in trying to talk someone into respecting you, its the same with girls theres no point in talking about, if anything it only makes people who already think youre weak think of you as even weaker.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(09-27-2014 06:45 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

Men can't really be "themselves", unless the guy by nature has a suave Don Draper-esque personality and looks the part. Most men don't. The average male isn't even a cool guy. Just being a cool guy will put you ahead of the rest. There's always exceptions to every rule, of course.

My good friend, the former west-side Chicago pimp would always talk about the topic of "cool". He once said: "If you got a goofy ass walk, posture, or laugh, then you just ain't cool"

The same can apply to women. If only a few variables are off, your SMW can go down dramatically, so the concept of "game" is their to mitigate that.

What can get annoying for most men who know game and aren't so-called "naturals", is this feeling of always having to stay on top. There isn't much room to relax and simply decompress. Even naturals can have a hard time with it, i.e. the natural can still easily slip-up, and even the most alpha naturals have been cheated on, just at a much lower rate than the average beta-with-beta-provider-game.

Women just have to show up, not be fat, and not be too annoying, preferably at least average looking, and they'll have a revolving door of potential suitors. Once again, ratios in the west are partially to blame. Once you look past women with multiple "baby daddy's", fat women, generally insufferable personality types, or all of the above - the US really has terrible ratios.

I do think there's been a new trend the past 5-10 years where attractive "single" women usually seeing two men at all times. Women have options like no other with smartphone apps. It's never been like this before in history.

Anyone who has seen Lars Von Trier's "Nymphomaniac" (based in the 80s) will see all she had to go through to schedule her multiple liasons and make sure they didn't overlap. Now a woman just opens the phone, the facebook notifications are there, the "likes" on whatever dumb comment she made are there, the KIK messages are there, the missed texts, the missed calls, the Tinder matches, the POF/OKC/match messages.

http:// [url=http://www.youtube.com/watc...0qpDg5y7Lo[/url]

It's basically that, x infinity with smartphones.

Essentially, the average woman can choose 3 men at any given time, or as many as her schedule permits. If she's crafty enough, she'll have multiple men playing the provider role (the clowns who buy her gifts, pay her phone bill for very little in return) and then other men who she bangs (who may not even necessarily be traditional alphas), some men who are somewhere in between. Unless prostitution is legalized and some immigration program is implemented specifically bringing in attractive foreign women instead of more nerds from India, the ratios will only get worse and crime committed by sexless men will continue to rise.

It's at a point in the US where alphas are competing for average women. In short, game matters more than ever.

I have had girls I'm hanging out with take me as a priority and laugh at the crap guys are sending them while showing me. One recently in class was snapchatting me goofy occasional pictures of herself while sitting right next to me while we had a good laugh and her kik was blowing up. She proceeded to ignore them and tell me that I looked good today and much better than the those thirsty guys messaging her. The girl that ended my cold streak of being without a bang was telling me about the guys messaging her on Facebook while laying next to me after the bang and how stupid they are. Another girl in the middle of our date sitting next to me literally turned her phone over to ignore the texts she was getting. Trust me your competition is weak at best. They just have the number advantage over you.

[Onto]

It's very true American women are the worst to have an LTR with. It's why I'm in SEA, but the feminism is strong here in Manila also, or maybe I'm just unconsciously picking the feminists here because they are what I'm used to.

Everything we choose to take for ourselves in life comes with a price. Women are no different. The Ferrari is hot, fast, exciting but high maintenance and doesn't drive well in bad weather.

The Honda is reliable, practical, cost-effective, can perform in any weather but isn't hot and thrilling.

Each comes with it's own price. If you go to the outskirts of a foreign country you may find the perfect woman, but then you are living in a place of shitty geography, climate, economics and infrastructure. Bring her back to America and then....

Another element to all this is every relationship has the adorer and the adored. If you are in the role of the adored it's a lot less work, but the price with that is we don't get to have the intoxicating feeling that comes with being with someone we adore.

Finally, we are always attracted to women who represent our inner self in some way. As we develop inwardly, the kind of women we are attracted to and get into LTR's with change as well.

It may not seem like it, but being in crisis is a good thing because it's usually the only time we are open to something new.

[la_mode]

It's not about the competition being impressive/unimpressive (there will be more unimpressive guys by nature) - it's the sheer imbalance combined with constant open communication (before you actually had to call the person and texting was slow on T9 phones) on the smartphone that have made game more of a requirement than years past.

[BadgerHut]

(09-27-2014 12:55 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 12:35 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I have become an actor for American girls because I know that is what is going to get them but then I have to continue to act this part and I eventually just get tired.

Can't you get girls using your "authentic" personality?

Why do you have to continue "acting"?

If girls do not like your authentic personality than they are not the right girls for you. If you have to be "fake", in order to get them, they are not the right girls for you.

Target girls that have a similar personality as yourself, girls with similar interests, attitudes and hobbies. Girls that will appreciate the real you and not some fake, Hollywood version of you.

Stop "acting" and get real, this is the only way to solve this problem.

I'm not usually one for a lot of "authentic"/"be real" kind of stuff, but Giovanny is spot on here. It sounds like you haven't found a way to integrate the game concepts into a congruent vision for your life, so you regard it as a skill or a fakey personality. It takes some experimentation to get past this, but it's worth it. I went through the basics like everybody else, but now most of the game tools are just stuff I normally do, I don't even notice it as game unless I stop to think it over.

[Moma]

It's exactly the same as applying for a job in America and dealing with office politics or business in America. It's different than doing the same in Europe. If you don't adapt, you will remain unemployed or suffer losses instead of profits.

After a while of working/gaming, it should become a part of your unconscious movements. It's like speaking another language. You have to follow different rules when in different environments. Different subject-verb agreement, etc, you get the gist.

[jariel]

This is such a great thread.

When I read WIA's posts, I just feel like...



The man is a king.

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

Not every man travels for sex.

I don't travel for sex. I used to travel for sex, but my priorities have change enormously. Looking back on my dating life, the times where I have been happiest was in mini-relationships with two particular girls that stick out in my mind. With both these girls I had a mind-shattering connection. My mind felt as if on drugs, I couldn't even sleep at times. I remember both with absolute clarity years later. And, in over 5000 approaches in my lifetime, only 2 girls made the list. Most men will never experience it.

What drives me in my travels is experiencing this emotion again. I don't care if it is fleeting, I don't care if a relationship is only a few months long, I want another fix of it. Something curious is that both of these girls were Russian, which has lead me to believe it is impossible to find this in the West.

My priorities have changed to such a degree that I completely discontinued my travels to places like Scandinavia, Central and Southern Europe. For the past years I have operated solely in the FSU and, although it is harder, I accept the difficulty as the reward is greater aswell.

Judging by your posts, it is obvious you are not motivated by sex. Finding what you want is impossible in your current environment, you are aiming for something that is much much harder to find than sex. If your current situation doesn't allow you to travel, you must change your goals. Otherwise find a way to change your environment. Remember that what happens to us in life doesn't happen by chance, we have to go out into the world and MAKE it happen.

[Nomad77]

@Marry I exactly what you are talking about. I agree, and I am currently working on leaving the US.

[ThrustMaster]

I've found Rollo's "Women in Love" and "Men in Love" articles very instructive in this regard. Might be worth a re-read, or first read...