[keysersoze]

Currently, I know several girls from class and around campus who really aren't slutty at all. I don't have the patience or urge to work on them for longer than a couple dates, so I'm trying to get them to put out rather quickly. They're all girls from classes, my pre med organization, or neighbors in my apartment who are very attractive but seem to be the nerdy types and haven't quite broken into the sphere of casual college sex.

There seem to be a bunch of other girls who I'm just a bit "stuck" on as well, in regards of how to escalate.

Here's a little background:

Girl 1: transfer from different university, doesn't get out much, claims to be socially awkward and not into partying. I'm helping her with a chemistry class and we're planning on "hanging out" sometime when we're free, but nothing is set.

Girls 2 & 3: Same person pretty much. One is Indian and one is lebanese. They are very into their academics, but come from strictly religious families. I have great rapport with both from classes and such, but I'm having a hard time strategizing how to bang them. It makes me feel kind of bad actually, because they're really nice and a year ago I would've loved to make either my girlfriend, but I don't have time for that anymore.

Girls 4, 5, and 6: Cute girls all from my apartment complex. I can talk to and flirt with them, but on the weekends when I tell them to come to party, they all respond with "I have too much schoolwork", "I work", "I don't feel like drinking", etc. They're just not really into partying and sit in their rooms and watch netflix and maybe have some wine in the comfort of their apartments.

Girls 5 & 6: They're neighbors who live in the apartment directly across the hall. I've almost hooked up with both of them separately. They both have boyfriends. In fact, I had girl 5 alone on my couch after a night out a few weeks ago, there was definitely attraction and I kissed her, but since then she's been avoiding me. Interesting conundrum.

To sum this up: There are several girls who I've been working on, and who I've established definite attraction with, but without the aid of alcohol/partying, I'm stuck. How do I bed a conservative girl? All advice is appreciated.

[Nomad77]

Go watch a movie with them and take a bottle of wine. The real question should be why? If you just want a hook up why bother with girls that are inherently difficult? Just go out and find girls that want what you are looking for. I have a bit of experience with these type of girls: the juice is rarely worth the squeeze.

[Sharkey]

Nomad has a point. Especially with the ones in your apartment... And if you're fucking/fucked them, imagine bringing home some smokin' hot girl from the bar and said neighbor just so happens to be outside. Don't shit where you eat. Do these girls live with their boyfriends?

[keysersoze]

For the question of why:
1. They're very attractive and my 20 year old male instinct says I need to have sex with them.
2. Sluts are fun, but part of me is really inticed with the prospect of having sex with a girl who doesn't fuck around.

I think the "don't shit where you eat" advice is good, but I can't help wanting to try. It's not like we work together. However, with Nomad's advice, I do think it's time to close the door on the religious ethnic girls.

As the weather cools we're definitely approching the girls' beloved cuddling, Netflix, wine season. I'll play this card and see where it gets me.

[keysersoze]

They don't live with their boyfriends. They each go to different schools, about a half hour away.

[WestIndianArchie]

This is very delicate territory.

Girl #1 - sounds like a long shot from your description

Girl Indian - You may be the first girl to tempt her, and if an Indian girls seems naive, she probably is

Girl Lebanese - She's probably Christian, and is not opposed to drinking some wine with dinner. If you can get her alone, it's basically warming her up, and then pulling away. I suggest dinner someplace private

Girl 4 & 5 & 6- ehh, definitely maybe/no girls to use Nomad's nomenclature. But where I differ, is that I don't think you're making the offer strong enough. There may not be that instant physical attraction, and they need to see more of you to convince themselves you're the shit. So the key here is really building the social proof in your complex that you're spot is the Bee's Knee's, or whatever you kids say today. And by social proof, I mean you need other chicks running in and out of your spot. A house party if you can manage it.

Girls 5&6 - Long game, social proof, jealousy, boyfriend destroy...give them means, motive, and opportunity, and you can bang them. If they smoke some weed, you might be able to get a 3screw popping.

The sheltered Indian chick seems like the hardest nut to crack.

And by tough nut to crack, I mean getting sober and signed consent that they are interested in all manner of sex with you, because college dudes should be primarily focused on giving chicks the female equivalent of blue balls so that there is no question of consent.

It goes without saying that all of the advice on RVF assumes enthusiastic consent, because that is proper game.

WIA

[Cattle Rustler]

There is no such thing as a conservative girl, they're all sluts.

You just need to find and release their inner slut.

[Bilboswaggins]

Hmm, maybe you could throw a ''board game'' night or something along those lines and invite all of them to your place. Get some wine and see which of these really put out. Gives them an innocent reason to come over and once the alcohol is going down, it's much easier. You could lose some prospects though. Also, multiple girls at your place is high-value and the girls who really want you start competing. Your essentially letting them make the move. You could ask hotter prospects to help you cook something beforehand or help you clean up afterwards so you can build some tension.

[keysersoze]

(09-22-2014 02:30 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

This is very delicate territory.

Girl #1 - sounds like a long shot from your description

Girl Indian - You may be the first girl to tempt her, and if an Indian girls seems naive, she probably is

Girl Lebanese - She's probably Christian, and is not opposed to drinking some wine with dinner. If you can get her alone, it's basically warming her up, and then pulling away. I suggest dinner someplace private

Girl 4 & 5 & 6- ehh, definitely maybe/no girls to use Nomad's nomenclature. But where I differ, is that I don't think you're making the offer strong enough. There may not be that instant physical attraction, and they need to see more of you to convince themselves you're the shit. So the key here is really building the social proof in your complex that you're spot is the Bee's Knee's, or whatever you kids say today. And by social proof, I mean you need other chicks running in and out of your spot. A house party if you can manage it.

Girls 5&6 - Long game, social proof, jealousy, boyfriend destroy...give them means, motive, and opportunity, and you can bang them. If they smoke some weed, you might be able to get a 3screw popping.

The sheltered Indian chick seems like the hardest nut to crack.

And by tough nut to crack, I mean getting sober and signed consent that they are interested in all manner of sex with you, because college dudes should be primarily focused on giving chicks the female equivalent of blue balls so that there is no question of consent.

It goes without saying that all of the advice on RVF assumes enthusiastic consent, because that is proper game.

WIA

This is why I'm on this site. Thanks WIA.

#1: She's socially awkward, but she's sexy, shows a lot of interest and wants to hang out. She's just pretty Christian I think and refuses to come to parties.

#2 (Indian): Not keen on her honestly after thinking about it. I feel like I'd be manipulating something sacred and valuable and I have no desire to be with her.

#3 (Lebanese): Just talked to her today, we're going to study for an exam this week. I'll escalate a bit, get personal, and suggest some sort of private dinner with wine.

#'s 4,5 & 6: You're absolutely right. Because they all live so close, I haven't been very firm and I've been playing the laid-back approach. I had a party at my place, with kegs on Friday. We're definitely the "party people" of the place so to speak. They just don't seem super into that and I didn't want to invite them all over, just to get with one. (I'll share that story in a bit).

#'s 5 & 6 (really 7 & 8): Definitely in this one for the long-haul I suppose. I think I'll just have to catch one of them at the right time.

Thanks for the reminder about the consent stuff. Wow, come to think of it, I actually had a buddy get screwed over by hijab wearing girl. Falsely claimed rape, caused a shit storm investigation, fucked his image and dignity, then recanted. Needless to say, she was kicked out of school.

[keysersoze]

Copied this from my personal gaming log in the Newbie Section. I use it to share my experiences and journey.

Here's the details of my Friday night party and Saturday:

Quote:

After a tough few days recovering from my bender in Columbus, the week really took off.

One day in the elevator on my way up to my apartment, a sexy girl walks in. I teased her about her tattoo and asked, "does that actually mean something or does it just look cool". She blushed and said she just liked the way it looked. I had about 30 seconds to woo her, so I continued with some jokes and mentioned I was having a party Friday night. She told me her room number and I said I'd stop by.

Unfortunately, I can game all I want, but I have to choose who I invite to my parties to try to fuck carefully. I can't have an apartment full of girls who I've been trying to get with. I decided to invite two- the tattooed girl from the elevator, and the French/Filipino/Black girl who I made out with, but failed to bang my second weekend at school. Lets call her T.

Friday
We got the keg and started drinking early. I went to tattoo'd girl's room and invited her up later. She came, as did T and her friend, who asked me to put their bags in my room when the arrived. They got in my room and the roommate was all enamored with how cool my room is, and even made comments about my MCAT study books, saying intelligence is attractive. The friend also sat on my bed and noted about its springiness, and how perfect it is for sex, placing erotic thoughts into T's head. At this point, my value in her eyes is sky high.

Anyways, the girl from the elevator arrives, so I had to choose between her and T. The tattoo'd elevator girl only knew me, which forced her to latch on to me a bit. I'm getting really good at escalating, as I improvised and traced her tattoo with my finger when we went into my room (really don't remember how I got her in). I could tell she was nervous and turned on by my confident touch, so I kissed her, then pulled away. Now, T came back into my room to grab her bag before leaving. I thought, "fuck, she's not gonna be interested after seeing my on my bed with another girl". Ha.

Back to tattoo girl- at this point we're kissing, I'm teasing her, and things are getting sexual. I asked her the perfect question of "do you have other tattoo's?" and of course she had a sexy rib tattoo, which gave me reason to take off her shirt. After that it was over- I locked the door and banged her. +1.

Saturday
I drank all day with my buddies for the football game, took a nap, and recouped. There was a party right down the street and I invited T to come with me. She came up to pre game and have a few drinks at my place first, where I utilized my new skills of venue change and the arm hook when walking move (thanks to Roosh). Textbook stuff at this point. We proceeded to go to the party, hung out there for a bit, but the cops came and shut it down. Nothing like a little red&blue siren adrenaline rush for a girl to really start clinging to you. We bounced to a friends place, had a few more drinks, then we decided to go up to my apartment.

We got into my room, and I don't quite know why, but everything I said was fucking electric. She told me to tell her something interesting about myself and I knocked this question out of the ballpark. After my spiel, I finally saw the look- the doe-eyed, starry gaze of a woman as her pussy gets wet. She then pounced me and I fucked her. She moaned so loud my poor roommates all mustve been woken up. I completely dominated her. She even left her necklace at my place when she left this morning, probably as insurance that I have to see her again, which I plan on doing.

Also, I think it's worth mentioning that she was definitely more turned on and aggressive toward me after seeing me with another girl, not turned off.

[Seaver]

A good bet would be that some of them aren't all that conservative, they
just aren't into you.

"I have too much school work" is a pretty common way to blow someone off without actually rejecting them.

[keysersoze]

(09-22-2014 05:34 PM)Seaver Wrote:  

A good bet would be that some of them aren't all that conservative, they
just aren't into you.

"I have too much school work" is a pretty common way to blow someone off without actually rejecting them.

You're absolutely right. I'm know some aren't really into me. The only thing is, I go knock on her door on Saturday night to come out, and she answers the door with sweats, no makeup, books on the table, with clearly no plans of going out. Some chicks really aren't into partying, or only go out on occasion.

I could go into detail, but I'll just say that the girls I've described in this thread have all given serious indications of attraction, in some way or another.

[WestIndianArchie]

(09-22-2014 05:15 PM)keysersoze Wrote:  

#1: She's socially awkward, but she's sexy, shows a lot of interest and wants to hang out. She's just pretty Christian I think and refuses to come to parties.

#2 (Indian): Not keen on her honestly after thinking about it. I feel like I'd be manipulating something sacred and valuable and I have no desire to be with her.

#3 (Lebanese): Just talked to her today, we're going to study for an exam this week. I'll escalate a bit, get personal, and suggest some sort of private dinner with wine.

#'s 4,5 & 6: You're absolutely right. Because they all live so close, I haven't been very firm and I've been playing the laid-back approach. I had a party at my place, with kegs on Friday. We're definitely the "party people" of the place so to speak. They just don't seem super into that and I didn't want to invite them all over, just to get with one. (I'll share that story in a bit).

#'s 5 & 6 (really 7 & 8): Definitely in this one for the long-haul I suppose. I think I'll just have to catch one of them at the right time.

Thanks for the reminder about the consent stuff. Wow, come to think of it, I actually had a buddy get screwed over by hijab wearing girl. Falsely claimed rape, caused a shit storm investigation, fucked his image and dignity, then recanted. Needless to say, she was kicked out of school.

I met that #1 girl about 8 years ago. We're facebook friends. She's still SINGLE. My god the Jugs on that broad. I'd excuse her feet (which were bony looking even in her mid 20's). She's kinda hit the wall, but just the memory of wanting to smash that, makes me still want to smash. Fuck I move back to the bible belt though.

For the chicks turned off by the "Life of the Party" Image, next little soiree/colloquy you have - go for a potluck or a theme dinner. Replace the kegs with boxes of wine, (cause that's what Jesus drank! and believe me, skin of bronze/hair of wool dude knew how to keep the party live)

On the Indian girl tip, remember her people came up with the sex manual called the Kama Sutra. There's a genetic raging slut in every woman, but especially an Indian one. The problem you face is usually a latent cultural holdover from Victorian English colonization. I digress.

WIA

[Sketness]

tell her that God told you that she would come into your life.

Im serious, the more religious she is the more she will eat that bullshit up. After all she wouldn't want to go against God.

[keysersoze]

(09-23-2014 12:24 AM)Sketness Wrote:  

tell her that God told you that she would come into your life.

Im serious, the more religious she is the more she will eat that bullshit up. After all she wouldn't want to go against God.

Lol that would be pretty funny.

But at this point, I still have some remaining semblance of a conscience and I'd feel pretty shitty about ruining a girl's intimacy and innocence for the rest of her life, if she truly plans to go that route.

[keysersoze]

(09-22-2014 08:47 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I met that #1 girl about 8 years ago. We're facebook friends. She's still SINGLE. My god the Jugs on that broad. I'd excuse her feet (which were bony looking even in her mid 20's). She's kinda hit the wall, but just the memory of wanting to smash that, makes me still want to smash. Fuck I move back to the bible belt though.

For the chicks turned off by the "Life of the Party" Image, next little soiree/colloquy you have - go for a potluck or a theme dinner. Replace the kegs with boxes of wine, (cause that's what Jesus drank! and believe me, skin of bronze/hair of wool dude knew how to keep the party live)

On the Indian girl tip, remember her people came up with the sex manual called the Kama Sutra. There's a genetic raging slut in every woman, but especially an Indian one. The problem you face is usually a latent cultural holdover from Victorian English colonization. I digress.

WIA

As far as the partying and social events go, some neighbors complained about noise and partying at our place so we have to lay low for a while, unfortunately. Probably the weird neighbors next to us who we didn't invite.

I'll either have to resort to "come over and watch a movie" type game or dates outside of my apartment.

[WalterBlack]

TL DR: come across as a non-player family man to get the bang.

In my experience to bang conservative girls I had to play the long game and make it seem like you are not a player. You have to come across a decent guy who comes from a good family and has good morals. At no time come across as beta!

I’m British and I live in Los Angeles, so I play a bit off the foreigner factor and the family man vibe. Some of these women don’t even drink so I invite them for a coffee walking distance from my apartment. I always meet about an hour before closing time & when I’m there I make hints about how different British food is from American food.

Once I feel that they are comfortable enough with me I ask them if they would like to come over to my place to try some food or snacks that they they’ve probably never eaten before - I have a quite a lot of British snacks and chocolates at my place. Sometimes they refuse to come to mine no matter what so I next them.

If they come over, to put them at comfort at my place I don’t even sit next to them initially – I just talk for about 5 mins an talk about how much I love my brothers’ kids. My OKCupid has a profile of me with my niece, and some women love pics like that. I then say she has a little sister who’s also cute. I pull out my family album, sit next to and go through it. I don’t give a shit about showing her family photos – my relatives all live in UK. Conservative women LOVE it when you talk about family. I go through the album and escalate from there. If I get the vibe that nothings gonna happen, I don’t make a move and try to get her back to my place another time.

I’ve gotten a few bangs this way and there was no alcohol involved! The downside is that conservative women are usually very bad in bed.

(09-22-2014 08:47 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

On the Indian girl tip, remember her people came up with the sex manual called the Kama Sutra. There's a genetic raging slut in every woman, but especially an Indian one. The problem you face is usually a latent cultural holdover from Victorian English colonization. I digress.

WIA

TL DR: In my experience conservative women are crap in bed.

Regarding Indian girls - in mainstream Indian culture the Kama Sutra is irrelevant..I’m almost certain that most Indians have never read it.

I went for a drink with an Indian 6 in LA a couple of weeks ago. I managed to make out with her in my car and lick her tits. She wouldn’t let me go any further than that. She did not know how to kiss - she almost sucked my tongue out of mouth. I texted her the next day and asked her if she wanted to hang out again (I wanted the Indian notch, I’ve banged British-Indian and Indian-American girls but never one from India). I never heard from her again.

A couple of years ago when I was very beta back in UK (1990s), I met a British Indian-Muslim virgin girl via Yahoo chatrooms. I used to go on them when I was bored at work. I got her number and we spoke for a while on the phone. She lived with her parents and they were pretty strict. We eventually met at Kings Cross Station in London and we made out for while. I squeezed her tits but we ad no privacy so that was about as far as it went.

The next time we met she booked a hotel room in Manchester and she told me she wanted me in her but that she couldn’t because she had to save herself for her future husband. I fingered her pussy and arsehole and got her arsehole used to having something inside it…next time we met it was anal for her…and then a few meetings later I took her virginity. I have to say one thing – she was crap in bed! She married some guy from India – I bet the poor bastard has no idea about her past!

[Distant Light]

Hahahaha the problem is you're trying to "calibrate" to appeal to them, instead of letting your views clash and make of it whatever it makes...

Every chick in the world feels sexual tension doesn't matter how religious she is. There was a homemade porn of some nun giving a handjob to the ambulance worker. How many times in the news do school or religious places pop up with "sex". Just look at the no-fap movement how hard it is.

I say all this because, I THINK I took a chicks virginity and didn't even know it. She started crying and had me promise to her that I'd never tell anyone that we had sex. She then wanted to go on about "not looking like a slut" when in reality she didn't hookup with anyone, only slutty-like thing was ME being how I am.

Another chick stated she wanted to hookup with me despite knowing I don't believe in monogamy (and she does)

[jamaicabound]

(09-22-2014 01:04 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Go watch a movie with them and take a bottle of wine. The real question should be why? If you just want a hook up why bother with girls that are inherently difficult? Just go out and find girls that want what you are looking for. I have a bit of experience with these type of girls: the juice is rarely worth the squeeze.

I agree with the why bother sentiment. I get that as dudes we like a challenge and all but these chicks tend to be very time consuming and not that great even if you wind up getting them. I think both parties wind up no better for the meetup. The chick probably regrets it after you pump and dump her and you probably wind up feeling it was a waste of time anyway.

Another thing I question. I know on this forum and even me myself complain why aren't there any decent girls out there, why are all girls whores, etc. Then we find a good girl and are frustrated she's not a bustdown and it's gonna take some time to hookup with her. It's like were not happy there's no decent chicks and then you find a decent chick and we just want her to put out.

My personal opinion is unless I have some interest in dating the chick for a while or even an LTR, why even waste my time or hers.