[Vaun]

think about how much of a douche bag one has to be, in order to be;

(01-10-2015 01:09 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

ordered to stay out of Volusia County

[Merenguero]

(09-13-2014 06:06 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:48 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

The more time passes, the more I am convinced that this guy should have been sentenced.

He'll see the inside of a prison sooner or later, more likely sooner than later. You can quote me on that.

He hasn't been tried yet, but his day may very well have come.

[philosophical_recovery]

(01-10-2015 04:07 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

think about how much of a douche bag one has to be, in order to be;

(01-10-2015 01:09 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

ordered to stay out of Volusia County

[JoyStick]

Dude is involved in another shooting.

http://www.weartv.com/news/features/top-...VD3uflVikp

[Atlanta Man]

(05-11-2015 01:45 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Dude is involved in another shooting.

http://www.weartv.com/news/features/top-...VD3uflVikp

Apparently he and one of his friends got into it and his friend shot at him. This is utterly insane that this amount of violence surrounds this man's interactions with people. I honestly do not know what to make of it, does trouble follow him? Is he just unfortunate? He does not strike me as gangster, and he has had a good upbringing on paper, I mean his father was a Judge his brother is very well spoken and never had issues with the law or violence...I just don't understand how these things keep happening around him. He should be a lawyer, toiling at a firm given his father's background.

I have have violence occur in my life and it made me abhor violence and avoid situations that may result in violence. My situation with violence really colored all my interactions post situation and made me actively think before I do. He faced a murder charge, that should shake him to his core and make him more apprehensive about who he associates with and how he behaves. I just don't understand how a reasonable man could continue to be involved in gun related incidents in a first world country. It is just bizarre....If you did not link to the news report I would not have believed it.

[AneroidOcean]

(05-11-2015 04:35 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 01:45 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Dude is involved in another shooting.

http://www.weartv.com/news/features/top-...VD3uflVikp

Apparently he and one of his friends got into it and his friend shot at him. This is utterly insane that this amount of violence surrounds this man's interactions with people. I honestly do not know what to make of it, does trouble follow him? Is he just unfortunate? He does not strike me as gangster, and he has had a good upbringing on paper, I mean his father was a Judge his brother is very well spoken and never had issues with the law or violence...I just don't understand how these things keep happening around him. He should be a lawyer, toiling at a firm given his father's background.

I have have violence occur in my life and it made me abhor violence and avoid situations that may result in violence. My situation with violence really colored all my interactions post situation and made me actively think before I do. He faced a murder charge, that should shake him to his core and make him more apprehensive about who he associates with and how he behaves. I just don't understand how a reasonable man could continue to be involved in gun related incidents in a first world country. It is just bizarre....If you did not link to the news report I would not have believed it.

The answer is that he's not a reasonable man. In the murder charge incident the police told him not to get out of his SUV and approach the kid. What did he do? He got out and approached the kid.

That is unreasonable behaviour and it's only continued.

[jariel]

(05-11-2015 04:45 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

The answer is that he's not a reasonable man. In the murder charge incident the police told him not to get out of his SUV and approach the kid. What did he do? He got out and approached the kid.

That is unreasonable behaviour and it's only continued.

The number of people who stood up for him, even sent him money, I mean that shit is funny, yet sad, the idea that you'd send money to and stand by someone who killed a kid, and nobody gave a fuck because the kid was Black, but the authorities have spent forty years spending tax dollars trying to get justice for Etan Patz.

Those same people talk about "Inner-city Chicago" until they're blue in the face, but I don't see Blacks from all over the country sending money to gangbangers who deal drugs and kill children so they can pay off their credit card debts and other expenses like people did for Zimmerman.

What the fuck ever.

[Alpharius]

Like I said, this is not the behavior of a healthy person. He should never have gotten out of his car and got into a fistfight with a teenager. He should have kept his head down and his hands clean after his trial. Instead he's gotten in trouble again and again for getting out of control.

Is anyone still defending him at this point?

[Atlanta Man]

Zimmerman just needs to go somewhere safe, not interact with people, take some time and put things in perspective. He needs to do a personal inventory, be brutally honest with himself, not date, not put himself around negative situations or negative people and focus on himself and finding some balance. His life has become unmanageable, he really needs to step back and reflect whatever is going wrong and causing all this. He definitely should not date for a while because he seems to do poorly in emotionally charged situations and he should avoid alcohol for the time being. He has to address what is going on with him by himself(and perhaps a psychiatrist) and his decision making process and make the change. He is entering third world levels of constant, excessive violence. It is not good. It is actually kind of alarming, from an outside perspective...

[Atlanta Man]

I just hope no one gets hurt, these are all real people with real lives.

[Fortis]

My sympathy for Zimmerman is gone. Every year something new is going to "happen" to him until he ends up killing a white person or getting killed.

[MasculineOfCenter]

(05-11-2015 05:04 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

Like I said, this is not the behavior of a healthy person. He should never have gotten out of his car and got into a fistfight with a teenager. He should have kept his head down and his hands clean after his trial. Instead he's gotten in trouble again and again for getting out of control.

Is anyone still defending him at this point?

The man's clearly off the deep end at this point, but his acquittal shouldn't have been at all controversial. None of the evidence suggested that he "got into a fistfight" as you and unfortunately many others were led to believe. Trayvon's autopsy showed no injury other than the gunshot, meaning he was most likely never struck. That along with eye-witness accounts of Trayvon straddling Zim, and Zim's screams heard for around a minute straight on the 911 tapes, paint a pretty clear picture that this was a jumping/beat-down rather than a "fight."

The media's propogation of such misinformation may even be contributing to Zimmerman's behavior since then, though obviously, he should still be held responsible for his actions.

[Alpharius]

(05-11-2015 06:12 PM)MasculineOfCenter Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 05:04 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

Like I said, this is not the behavior of a healthy person. He should never have gotten out of his car and got into a fistfight with a teenager. He should have kept his head down and his hands clean after his trial. Instead he's gotten in trouble again and again for getting out of control.

Is anyone still defending him at this point?

The man's clearly off the deep end at this point, but his acquittal shouldn't have been at all controversial. None of the evidence suggested that he "got into a fistfight" as you and unfortunately many others were led to believe. Trayvon's autopsy showed no injury other than the gunshot, meaning he was most likely never struck. That along with eye-witness accounts of Trayvon straddling Zim, and Zim's screams heard for around a minute straight on the 911 tapes, paint a pretty clear picture that this was a jumping/beat-down rather than a "fight."

The media's propogation of such misinformation may even be contributing to Zimmerman's behavior since then, though obviously, he should still be held responsible for his actions.

My bad, he was instructed to stay in his vehicle after profiling some kid, he doesn't follow directions, gets out of his vehicle close enough to this kid he thinks is dangerous that the kid can get the drop on him - and then instead of getting back in his car, gets beat, then kills a young man who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that's the sequence of events from HIS point of view.

Hindsight shows that this is a guy who has a tendency to overreact and violently lose control, if we take his obviously biased account of what happened out of the equation, it paints a dark picture of what really happened that night.

[Sherman]

The facts of the Zimmerman case were put to the test of a jury trial and he was found not guilty.

His behavior after the event has no relevance to the Trayvon case.

He didn't do the shooting. He was the one who was shot at.

I don't see much here except for an incredible scrutiny of one person and the reverberations and unstable vibrations that can result from a perturbation of the social media echo chamber.

[MasculineOfCenter]

(05-11-2015 06:34 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

My bad, he was instructed to stay in his vehicle

He was told nothing about staying in his vehicle. The dispatcher said "we don't need you to [follow him]".

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after profiling some kid

There's no evidence that he racially profiled.

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he doesn't follow directions

As stated above, he was only told that he didn't need to follow Trayvon, to which he responded "ok." No evidence suggests that he followed Trayvon beyond that point. He was very close to his truck when the confrontation happened, so may very well have followed directions.

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gets out of his vehicle close enough to this kid he thinks is dangerous that the kid can get the drop on him

No evidence suggests that he approached Trayvon rather than the other way around. Again, he was nearby his truck when the whole thing went down. No one really knows who approached who.

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and then instead of getting back in his car, gets beat,

Tough to get back in the car when someone's on top of you beating your head into the pavement.

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then kills a young man who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time

Getting on top of someone and beating him is not "being in the wrong place at the wrong time." It's a serious threat at that person's life and, by law, grounds for lethal self-defense.

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And that's the sequence of events from HIS point of view.

No, that's the sequence of events as propogated by agenda-driven media. Zimmerman's account is that he just went to see what street Trayvon ran down, when Trayvon circled back, hid in the bushes and sucker-punched him. I don't believe that story 100%, but that's his point of view, not what you outlined.

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if we take his obviously biased account of what happened out of the equation, it paints a dark picture of what really happened that night.

None of what I cited in my previous post had anything to do with his account. I brought up physical evidence and witness testimony.

[samsamsam]

Let's be fair, you only have one guy's side of the story.

And based on all the constant shit he gets into, you can't think possibly that maybe Zimmerman had some other intentions that just to follow Trayvon? That maybe he wanted to actually get some action? You won't allow that as a possibility? You will say this is the evidence and testimony. But it is convenient that some testimony will never be heard (Trayvon's).

Now to be fair, this could all be from the stress of the scrutiny of that trial. That all the shit he is getting into is a result of the shooting and trial. But it isn't like he volunteering to work minorities or anything to show how remorseful he is. At least the kid from the frat song situation met with various minority leaders and tried to reconcile.

But I think he had a loose screw at the Trayvon event and he forced the action. Then his screw had a litter of baby screws subsequently.

[Phoenix]

Zimmerman, like everyone else of any background, remains innocent of any wrongdoing, by law, until proven otherwise. His guilt can only be produced by the facts and law, and not by the socially divisive narratives of the Left.

[AneroidOcean]

(05-11-2015 07:10 PM)MasculineOfCenter Wrote:  

None of what I cited in my previous post had anything to do with his account. I brought up physical evidence and witness testimony.

When you respond and reference witness testimony and physical evidence, why don't you link to your sources so everyone can read it in it's entirety?

Here's the 911 call by Zimmerman:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/spe...911-calls/

[Chevalier De Seingalt]

I think it's important to remember that the guy still lives in Florida. Shooting, road rage, getting shot at by friends, this is all pretty much just "a day in the life" down there.

[tarquin]

Maybe El Mech shot Zimmerman as a story for his 10,000th post.

[MasculineOfCenter]

(05-11-2015 07:34 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Let's be fair, you only have one guy's side of the story.

Along with physical and witness evidence.

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And based on all the constant shit he gets into, you can't think possibly that maybe Zimmerman had some other intentions that just to follow Trayvon? That maybe he wanted to actually get some action?

Pretty unlikely that someone out for "action" would make sure the police were on their way first.

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You won't allow that as a possibility?

Of course it's a possibility. But our standard for convicting someone of a crime is many steps higher than a "possibility" that they're guilty.

AneroidOcean Wrote:  

When you respond and reference witness testimony and physical evidence, why don't you link to your sources so everyone can read it in it's entirety?

Everything I've cited is on Wikipedia, which of course then links back to original sources. In fact, I strongly encourage anyone who still disagrees with the jury's verdict to read the Wikipedia page on this incident. I seriously think seeing an unbiased summary of evidence will change a lot of minds on this case.

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Here's the 911 call by Zimmerman:

The 911 call I was referring to, with Zimmerman's screams, was made by a neighbor.

[jariel]

(05-11-2015 09:46 PM)MasculineOfCenter Wrote:  

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Here's the 911 call by Zimmerman:

The 911 call I was referring to, with Zimmerman's screams, was made by a neighbor.

The analysis on the screaming was inconclusive, but one person had a gun, and the other person had some candy and a can of tea is in hand, logic should tell you who would have likely been the person doing the screaming.

I'm over people doing mental gymnastics to support Zimmerman, nobody does nor did the same "well he was found innocent in a court of law" rationalizing back-flips for O.J., and then people want to say, "But it's not about race".

The bottom line is this, if dude had gone home to his homely chick and a bag of Funyons instead of following a kid around the neighborhood, then the kid would still be alive and we would have never heard of either one of them.

Guys want a world of sympathy when they catch fake rape charges and shit, but shrug their shoulders when a kid gets killed after being stalked in a neighborhood just because his skin was the wrong shade and he wasn't recognized as someone who lived in the neighborhood.

Duplicity is a bitch.

[MasculineOfCenter]

(05-11-2015 10:08 PM)jariel Wrote:  

The analysis on the screaming was inconclusive,

I'll give you that, but evidence points to it being more likely Zimmerman's voice, for reasons I'll get to later.

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but one person had a gun, and the other person had some candy and a can of tea is in hand, logic should tell you who would have likely been the person doing the screaming.

You left out a pretty crucial detail. One person was being beaten, and the other was doing the beating, during the time the screaming occurred. Who would scream for help as they're beating someone's head into the ground?

Aside from that, Zimmerman's family stated immediately that they were sure those screams were his, while Martin's family initially said those screams weren't Trayvon's, and changed their minds later.

And on top of that, here's a direct quote from the Wikipedia page:

"The only eyewitness to the end of the confrontation stated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and punching him, while Zimmerman was yelling for help."

In light of all this, it's more likely that the screams are Zimmerman's.

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I'm over people doing mental gymnastics to support Zimmerman, nobody does nor did the same "well he was found innocent in a court of law" rationalizing back-flips for O.J.

I'm not doing any mental gymnastics, nor claiming that a court decision is infallible. I'm providing facts and hard evidence.

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Guys want a world of sympathy when they catch fake rape charges and shit, but shrug their shoulders when a kid gets killed after being stalked in a neighborhood just because his skin was the wrong shade and he wasn't recognized as someone who lived in the neighborhood.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman "stalked" Martin because of his race. Given the circumstances (night, hoody with hood up) he probably had trouble discerning what race Martin was. His stated reason for calling 911 was that he thought Martin looked like he was casing houses.

[jariel]

Most of your evidence appears to come from Zimmerman's self-serving statements, his family full of non-witnesses, and Wikipedia.

But at the end of the day, the case has already been decided and Trayvon is dead and gone, meanwhile, Zimmerman can't keep his name out of the news, and apparently that's just accidental, he's just always a victim.

If Zimmerman were a female, a lot of the rationalizing that's gone on regarding this case would have been labeled as white-knighting, simple and plain.

[Merenguero]

It's only fitting that I'm reading about this bullocks while I'm in the gym taking a break between sets. If Zimmerman started hitting the gym hard about five years ago, and kept up with it, I really doubt any of us would even know his name.