[Nomad77]

@Spaniard You better go to a convent and find a nun and if you are really living in the US I feel sorry for you.

[Phoenix]

I might add a unique screen I found - she mentions the other girls around who you could get with, or tries to hook you up with friends, even though she appears interested herself and passes other screens.

This is her warning you that she won't put out in the time-frame you are looking for.

[Dalaran1991]

Guys guys guys we forgot the attention whores. These look like Maybe girls even YES girls on everything EXCEPT when you escalate HARD

-Let you touch her but no matter what you do you cant get to more private zones like her neck or ears
-Dont kiss you
-Turn cold or act weird after you escalate.
-Always text you back on time except for the texts that mention going out/setting plan. Instead she ignores them
-If social circle, always position herself so you cant escalate. Ive had girls asking me out only to come to group events
-She flirts and escalate IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE BUT NOT IN PRIVATE. Big time slut attention whoring. She just wanna make other guys who are into her jealous and simply using you as a tool

In some settings especially day game you will find that people tend to be nicer, thats why a lot of girls will look like Maybe girls. This is my only problem with day game. Unless you are a smooth motherfucker and escalate smoothly and quickly you will get drag into chasing mists with girls texting/talking to you showing a lot of IOI but in fact have no fucking desire to swallow your cock.

[saeta119]

If you're at a party and if you take a picture with a girl you're interested, if she is not leaning towards you and maybe even pulling away. Next her.

When you're dancing and if her eyes are not just centered on you, like nothing else matters but just to look at you, then she's not into you yet.

[MongolianAbroad]

(09-09-2014 02:47 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@Spaniard You better go to a convent and find a nun and if you are really living in the US I feel sorry for you.

Haha, yeah, it is what it is, man.

I spent four months earlier this year in Manila, Davao, and Iloilo City. It was AMAZING and I highly recommend the experience to any sane, healthy, confident, American man.

You'll find sluts and nice girls in both countries, women are women, but the difference is that your value in the Philippines is exponentially greater than in America, so you can find what you're looking for far, far, far, far, far faster than you can in America, simply by meeting many women.

Even there though, the kind of girl I'm looking for is still rare.

I'm looking for something very specific, I'm only willing to girlfriend up a girl if she's a net positive in my life.

No bullshit, zero-drama, a healthy, undamaged girl.

They're rare.

[Pride male]

She tells you to fuck off.

[Nomad77]

Yes, the attention whores can be difficult to catch at first. Also even regular girls love attention so they can lead you on too. What is difficult to fake though is sexual eye contact. Like I told that girl in Starbucks: when you are attracted to someone your eyes become bigger, it's subconscious reaction that happens automatically, the way your eyes are right now. Body language also: are the sitting or standing close to you, how comfortable do they seem with your touch.

Another class of girls that are also NO girls are the asexual and LSD (low sex drive) girls. You can spend an enormous amount of energy trying to turn these girls on. One very good indicator is that when you touch them you don't feel anything. They are sexually neutral.

[R Smoov]

Her voice is deeper than yours

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

(09-09-2014 02:40 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

6. She's had a one night stand. If a girl's ever had a one night stand, she's worthless to me. I don't do hookers, but at least hookers have the decency to charge. Think about it.

11. She spends her weekends at nightclubs. It's unlikely it's the first time she's been out to a nightclub, which means she spends her weekends getting drunk, then hooking up with a random guy or guys. She's basically had a slow-motion train run on her. Unless she's that rare girl I've never met that goes to nightclubs every weekend to pray the rosary at said nightclubs, she's a NO girl.
6. She's had a one night stand. If a girl's ever had a one night stand, she's worthless to me. I don't do hookers, but at least hookers have the decency to charge. Think about it.

These two are crucial for any long term consideration. As much as I try to be non-judgemental for game purposes, there is something about the one-night-stand that stirs me up.

For me, a girl who does this is a whore. For some reason, I feel more respect for an actual prostitute than for a girl who meets a man and sleeps with him the same night. It has something to do with the quickness of it, I don't feel the same emotional response towards a high count per se if it comes from relationship (hypothetical, high counts don't come from relationships).

Although I can do ONS, when I wake up next to the girl I can't help but be a bit disgusted. Even if I went in with the plan of seeing her again, a negative emotion comes up that repels me. I almost always change my mind.

[MikeS]

I've naively wasted a bit too much time here in Bulgaria on girls who displayed some traits from no. 1 and 6 in the original post, even if I felt the date(s) otherwise went pretty well (I'm slowly getting better at spotting the more discrete signals), and where they usually quickly and politely - a bit too politely sometimes - responded to texts etc.
Basically getting friendzoned, which the girls here might be more genuinely friendly about than what I imagine is usually the case in for instance in the US.

I push a bit harder now - making sure there's no doubt about my intentions. A lot fewer second dates than in my first year here, but that's obviously a good thing if those second and occasionally even third dates lead nowhere.

[simondice]

(09-09-2014 03:20 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Guys guys guys we forgot the attention whores. These look like Maybe girls even YES girls on everything EXCEPT when you escalate HARD

-Let you touch her but no matter what you do you cant get to more private zones like her neck or ears
-Dont kiss you
-Turn cold or act weird after you escalate.
-Always text you back on time except for the texts that mention going out/setting plan. Instead she ignores them
-If social circle, always position herself so you cant escalate. Ive had girls asking me out only to come to group events
-She flirts and escalate IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE BUT NOT IN PRIVATE. Big time slut attention whoring. She just wanna make other guys who are into her jealous and simply using you as a tool

In some settings especially day game you will find that people tend to be nicer, thats why a lot of girls will look like Maybe girls. This is my only problem with day game. Unless you are a smooth motherfucker and escalate smoothly and quickly you will get drag into chasing mists with girls texting/talking to you showing a lot of IOI but in fact have no fucking desire to swallow your cock.

Shit, I must have had 20 of these the past month.

-One thing to screen these girls out is how easy and smooth making plans is.
-Touching is absolutely necessary, if they are ok being touched.
-How nervous she is. If she's actually nervous, she can't fake that, which means she likes you.

[Dalaran1991]

(09-09-2014 07:13 PM)simondice Wrote:  

-How nervous she is. If she's actually nervous, she can't fake that, which means she likes you.

Heh, I wanted to start a new thread about this.

Here we deal with bitch shield and girl game so much we forgot that girls are human too and get nervous around someone they like.



Joke aside, I have seen it so many times. You break out your best game. K you did your part and she is supposed to react accordingly bc she knows ALL THE MOVES. But instead she gets nervous and chicken out.

How many times in your beta past you have, like Roosh said, "a naked girl in your lap and you wouldnt know what to do"? That happens with girls too.

If a girl is nervous that very often means she likes you. Used to think girls get nervous having guys approach them. BS. Girls are fucking ruthless and they would be pretty blunt to the guy. They save the mental energy of being nervous for the charming prince.

Calibration is so important here to tone down your game and not scare the cat.

[horn]

Calibration is so key. I honestly think the hottest girls get the most nervous when they realize they like a guy.


She's a NO girl if she's under 18!

[MongolianAbroad]

(09-09-2014 02:55 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 02:40 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

6. She's had a one night stand. If a girl's ever had a one night stand, she's worthless to me. I don't do hookers, but at least hookers have the decency to charge. Think about it.

11. She spends her weekends at nightclubs. It's unlikely it's the first time she's been out to a nightclub, which means she spends her weekends getting drunk, then hooking up with a random guy or guys. She's basically had a slow-motion train run on her. Unless she's that rare girl I've never met that goes to nightclubs every weekend to pray the rosary at said nightclubs, she's a NO girl.
6. She's had a one night stand. If a girl's ever had a one night stand, she's worthless to me. I don't do hookers, but at least hookers have the decency to charge. Think about it.

These two are crucial for any long term consideration. As much as I try to be non-judgemental for game purposes, there is something about the one-night-stand that stirs me up.

For me, a girl who does this is a whore. For some reason, I feel more respect for an actual prostitute than for a girl who meets a man and sleeps with him the same night. It has something to do with the quickness of it, I don't feel the same emotional response towards a high count per se if it comes from relationship (hypothetical, high counts don't come from relationships).

Although I can do ONS, when I wake up next to the girl I can't help but be a bit disgusted. Even if I went in with the plan of seeing her again, a negative emotion comes up that repels me. I almost always change my mind.

Absolutely.

Hypothetical here, two 22 year old girls:

Girl A: Has been with 3 guys, all relationships, all a year-ish long.

Girl B: Has been with 3 guys, all one night stands.

Which do you prefer?

Now, even one one-night stand is too many, and the fewer partner count the better, but as a thought experiment, we'll continue.

For me, there's no question at all, I prefer girl A. Why?

Well, girl A has learned something about being in a relationship, which can be a positive.

Girl B, on the other hand, has issues. It's unlikely she'll ever resolve them, and I'm not a fan of playing the role of amateur psychologist.

Girl B's one-night stands show that either she's not interested in being in a relationship with a man or she's got so many issues that none of the males involved in the one-night stands were willing to come back for more. It could also be a combination of the two, but in any case, the best option is to steer clear of this girl.

It is what it is, girl B is a NO girl, and I choose girl A.

[speakeasy]

(09-09-2014 02:40 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

These are all NO girls for girlfriend status, I'll pretty much date a girl until these flags appear, so I may sleep with a girl that has one or more of these flags if I'm unaware of them at the time, or if I'm in a careless mood at the time.

1. She has a tattoo. A tattoo points to a lack of long term thinking, an uncultured upbringing, and rebelliousness, all three of which are negative traits which I have no use for.

2. She's flaky. This is indicative of an inability to understand the value that I bring to the table. In all likelihood, 5 years from now, she'll have birthed a bastard and be overweight and shapeless. 5 years from now, I'll do the same thing I did the previous five years, which is acquire more and more income-producing assets and stay in great shape. If a girl is incapable of seeing a mere 5 years into the future to see the value I bring to the table, she's too short-sighted to be a girlfriend.

3. She's got baggage from a prior relationship. This could be, for example, being divorced or a single mom, but it could also be the girl that won't do this or that because "her prior boyfriend did so and so and now she's traumatized." Bull. That doesn't fly with me, I don't do damaged women, I demand all of her or nothing at all.

4. Her parents are divorced. If a girl's parents are divorced, she didn't learn how a healthy relationship works. Dysfunction breeds more dysfunction, and I have no use for dysfunction in my life. I'm only interested in healthy, happy girls with bright eyes.

5. She's got a smartphone addiction. If a girl plays with her phone when a group is having a conversation instead of participating in the conversation, or at least listening to the conversation, she's lost something of her humanity.

6. She's had a one night stand. If a girl's ever had a one night stand, she's worthless to me. I don't do hookers, but at least hookers have the decency to charge. Think about it.

7. She's a vegetarian. If putting meat in her mouth disgusts her, that's not a good sign. I eat a pound of filet mignon, t-bone, salmon, trout, or chicken breast every day and I don't want someone judging me every time I take a bite.

8. She's wearing heels that are too high. Some girls look like they're little girls wearing their mother's high heels for the first time, and not in a cute kid way. It's a bad look and shows a lack of class.

9. She's smoking a cigarette. This is indicative of a lack of long term thinking.

10. She's using drugs. This is indicative of a lack of long term thinking AND imbecility.

11. She spends her weekends at nightclubs. It's unlikely it's the first time she's been out to a nightclub, which means she spends her weekends getting drunk, then hooking up with a random guy or guys. She's basically had a slow-motion train run on her. Unless she's that rare girl I've never met that goes to nightclubs every weekend to pray the rosary at said nightclubs, she's a NO girl.

12. If she's dancing on a platform in a club and everyone in the club can see her underwear. That's a NO girl for me.

13. She utters nonsense like "Suck my dick." It's just weird. I like feminine girls. That's not feminine.

14. Her voice is not feminine. I like a girl to have a soothing voice. The girls I've dated that I've been most into could basically sing (not professionally) without trying almost, and in a way that made me want to just hear their voice.

15. She has a short attention span. I'm not a clown, my purpose here isn't to keep women entertained. Girls with short attention spans just aren't my thing.

You live in America? I just ran some numbers. In our population of 350 million or so, you have exactly 4 girls to choose from. None of which live within a thousand mile radius of you.

[MongolianAbroad]

(09-12-2014 02:22 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 02:40 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

These are all NO girls for girlfriend status, I'll pretty much date a girl until these flags appear, so I may sleep with a girl that has one or more of these flags if I'm unaware of them at the time, or if I'm in a careless mood at the time.

1. She has a tattoo. A tattoo points to a lack of long term thinking, an uncultured upbringing, and rebelliousness, all three of which are negative traits which I have no use for.

2. She's flaky. This is indicative of an inability to understand the value that I bring to the table. In all likelihood, 5 years from now, she'll have birthed a bastard and be overweight and shapeless. 5 years from now, I'll do the same thing I did the previous five years, which is acquire more and more income-producing assets and stay in great shape. If a girl is incapable of seeing a mere 5 years into the future to see the value I bring to the table, she's too short-sighted to be a girlfriend.

3. She's got baggage from a prior relationship. This could be, for example, being divorced or a single mom, but it could also be the girl that won't do this or that because "her prior boyfriend did so and so and now she's traumatized." Bull. That doesn't fly with me, I don't do damaged women, I demand all of her or nothing at all.

4. Her parents are divorced. If a girl's parents are divorced, she didn't learn how a healthy relationship works. Dysfunction breeds more dysfunction, and I have no use for dysfunction in my life. I'm only interested in healthy, happy girls with bright eyes.

5. She's got a smartphone addiction. If a girl plays with her phone when a group is having a conversation instead of participating in the conversation, or at least listening to the conversation, she's lost something of her humanity.

6. She's had a one night stand. If a girl's ever had a one night stand, she's worthless to me. I don't do hookers, but at least hookers have the decency to charge. Think about it.

7. She's a vegetarian. If putting meat in her mouth disgusts her, that's not a good sign. I eat a pound of filet mignon, t-bone, salmon, trout, or chicken breast every day and I don't want someone judging me every time I take a bite.

8. She's wearing heels that are too high. Some girls look like they're little girls wearing their mother's high heels for the first time, and not in a cute kid way. It's a bad look and shows a lack of class.

9. She's smoking a cigarette. This is indicative of a lack of long term thinking.

10. She's using drugs. This is indicative of a lack of long term thinking AND imbecility.

11. She spends her weekends at nightclubs. It's unlikely it's the first time she's been out to a nightclub, which means she spends her weekends getting drunk, then hooking up with a random guy or guys. She's basically had a slow-motion train run on her. Unless she's that rare girl I've never met that goes to nightclubs every weekend to pray the rosary at said nightclubs, she's a NO girl.

12. If she's dancing on a platform in a club and everyone in the club can see her underwear. That's a NO girl for me.

13. She utters nonsense like "Suck my dick." It's just weird. I like feminine girls. That's not feminine.

14. Her voice is not feminine. I like a girl to have a soothing voice. The girls I've dated that I've been most into could basically sing (not professionally) without trying almost, and in a way that made me want to just hear their voice.

15. She has a short attention span. I'm not a clown, my purpose here isn't to keep women entertained. Girls with short attention spans just aren't my thing.

You live in America? I just ran some numbers. In our population of 350 million or so, you have exactly 4 girls to choose from. None of which live within a thousand mile radius of you.

Haha, hey man, if every lemming around us is jumping off a cliff, does that mean it's the wise thing to do?

Nooooooo!

I do believe there is an objective standard for the ideal woman for girlfriend (or more) status. I don't believe society can wake up one day and say, "Oh, it's 2014, didn't you get the memo? Dating a slut with no culture will make a positive contribution to your overall happiness!"

No, it doesn't work that way.

We can do like every other American and go blindly forward accepting that "that's just the way it is," OR we can hit on WAY more girls in America to find the few without issues AND explore options abroad as well.

In the end, guys end up pairing up with the girl they think is the best they can do. The bottom of the male sex ends up not pairing up at all, and their lineage ends there, in a dead branch.

So if a man thinks he's worth a woman of this caliber, and if he actually has the goods to back it up, he's got a fair shot at creating that reality, either in America, or a plane flight away in another part of the world.

A man who believes he deserves something will find a way to get it.

Bang away, gentlemen, but understand that you're setting yourself up for unnecessary difficulties and drama in life by getting involved more than casually with women that exhibit these red flags.

The red flags are real. Ignore them at your own peril!

In any case, before a man can exert his will upon the world, and by extension, the women of this world (in order to secure a quality woman for himself), he must first exert his will upon himself, and most men fail in this first step, so for most men, none of this even applies, because they are not at that level yet.

A high level of self control/self discipline comes before any of this.

[Blobert]

(09-09-2014 02:40 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

13. She utters nonsense like "Suck my dick." It's just weird. I like feminine girls. That's not feminine.

Yeah, that's a tranny.

[XXL]

(09-08-2014 09:14 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

2. She's not contributing to the conversation. She just replies to your questions with short answers. If it's on the street she looks like she's about to walk away. If she is not interested in having a conversation with you, she certainly won't be interested in fucking you!

That's a tricky one in my opinion.

Girls [and people in general] have firewall towards people they don't know at all so initial skeptic or evasive reaction is to be expected. This means that with cold approach charming persistence is crucial. Beside that, in the first moments of a conversation they often have problem talking normally as it's bit overwhelming for them to keep up with talkative cool guy straight away. And finally, they get really passive and run out of things to say and do when they get really attracted to the guy [comfort stage].

Quiz.. how many times we walked away from a girl because she seemed boring? Yup, pretty much all of us It's easy to misinterpret that passive behavior however girls just get nervous, don't know what to say and what to do with their hands, etc.

I'm not saying it's always the case. It just happened to me many times that I thought it was going nowhere but staying there and enduring that awkwardness on girl's part opened my eyes about what was really happening.

[Brodiaga]

A couple more signs that she is a"No" girl, particularly when it comes to online dating and screening potential dates.

1. Arrogance and/or negativity. A Russian saying goes, "If you want to find out what a person is really like, give them power". Some girls develop a shitty attitude as a result of all the attention they get from thirsty dudes online. For example, they'll list 30 criteria you have to meet in order for her to even consider going out with you. Or they'll come across as arrogant when they reply to your messages. A bitch on Tinder told me recently something like "Give me one reason I should keep messaging you". To which I replied "With this kind of attitude, you shouldn't". The bitch unmatched me, of course, but I was glad that I avoided wasting my time and money going out on a date with a girl who has an attitude problem.

2. Reluctance to give you her number before the date. I went out on a date with an OKC girl who didn't want to give me her number before we met. She said that she would give it to me later if we like each other. I found it odd but met up with her regardless, wasted an evening on a date and didn't even get a kiss in the end. If a girl doesn't trust you enough to give her number, chances are she won't trust you enough to go home with you either. Just next her, plenty of other girls out there without trust issues.

3. Any other signs of being excessively selective and methodical when it comes to dating. Sometimes they are easy to spot, sometimes not, but you want to avoid the kind of girls who go out on dates regularly, look for their perfect match and don't put out 99% of the time. A friend of mine told me about a female friend of his GF who does that. Basically, she keeps going on dates with guys who wine and dine her, doesn't put out, then comes back home and enters their parameters in an excel spreadsheet. She hasn't slept with any of these guys in the past few months. How do you avoid bitches like that? Some of them will mention in their profiles something about having too many thirsty guys filling up their inbox. Others will have a long list of requirements or mention that she's very experienced when it comes to online dating.

[dholland662]

I think we can summarize these under the umbrella of "not romantic." It may help think of new ways.
Tattoos, flaking, no contact, vulgar. All are not romantic.


One I have noticed is not changing fb status to "in relationship."
Really facebook behavior is a great window into how she is around others (friends and family). For better or for worse.

[Nomad77]

Guys some of you misunderstand what I mean by a NO girl. This is not a girl that you are looking to have a relationship with. This is a girl that is not even interested in you or interested in going out with you. This thread is about detecting these girls as quickly as possible so you don't waste your time with them. This is especially a problem today with all the attention whoring and validation that is going on.

[Yatagan]

(09-13-2014 06:13 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Guys some of you misunderstand what I mean by a NO girl. This is not a girl that you are looking to have a relationship with. This is a girl that is not even interested in you or interested in going out with you. This thread is about detecting these girls as quickly as possible so you don't waste your time with them. This is especially a problem today with all the attention whoring and validation that is going on.

Yeah, this is a thread about IONIs (Indicators of No Interest).

[BadgerHut]

(09-10-2014 02:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:13 PM)simondice Wrote:  

-How nervous she is. If she's actually nervous, she can't fake that, which means she likes you.

Heh, I wanted to start a new thread about this.

Here we deal with bitch shield and girl game so much we forgot that girls are human too and get nervous around someone they like.



Joke aside, I have seen it so many times. You break out your best game. K you did your part and she is supposed to react accordingly bc she knows ALL THE MOVES. But instead she gets nervous and chicken out.

How many times in your beta past you have, like Roosh said, "a naked girl in your lap and you wouldnt know what to do"? That happens with girls too.

If a girl is nervous that very often means she likes you. Used to think girls get nervous having guys approach them. BS. Girls are fucking ruthless and they would be pretty blunt to the guy. They save the mental energy of being nervous for the charming prince.

Calibration is so important here to tone down your game and not scare the cat.

Bigtime. The old PUA talk about "IOIs" ignores the fact that some girls give totally detached, cold signals when they are interested, because they're the type that gets nervous around guys they like and instead of getting giggly they shut down.

[Soothesayer]

(09-08-2014 09:14 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

1. If a girl is complicated, difficult, or flaky from the beginning, you can be 100% sure she will continue to be exactly this way. No amount of fucking is going to change her. So if you meet a girl like this, just walk away immediately. It will save you a lot of headache and aggravation. I would have to say almost 90% of my aggravation about women have come from allowing myself to be pulled into interaction or having some sort of relationship with these girls. And the sex was never worth all the BS I had to put up with.

I must have read that ten times. Its such a statement of truth it should be in the BIBLE, but I've had to learn the hard way. Some of us are stubborn like that. If a girl exhibits defiance, feminism, superiority and just general bad manners, she WILL NOT CHANGE. And you can't change her. Too many guys think that once they have the girl in the humble abode for a few weeks (or years, heaven forbid), it will get better. It never does.

Most western girls are far more mercenary than most guys. take every bad habit you saw her exhibit on a dinner date--now multiply that times 100. That's what you'll get if she moves in and she will keep chipping away until that Jericho wall falls. I remember reading something by Steinbeck years ago. King Arthur I think it was. A young knight-in-training (Squire) asks an old woman who is an expert at warfare (she killed a male knight and went into hiding, training lads in secret) what most women want. She says, "They all want the same thing: control over a man."

Why do you think the Devil tempted Eve first?

[Brodiaga]

(09-14-2014 03:53 PM)Soothesayer Wrote:  

I must have read that ten times. Its such a statement of truth it should be in the BIBLE, but I've had to learn the hard way. Some of us are stubborn like that. If a girl exhibits defiance, feminism, superiority and just general bad manners, she WILL NOT CHANGE. And you can't change her. Too many guys think that once they have the girl in the humble abode for a few weeks (or years, heaven forbid), it will get better. It never does.

They do change, but always for the worse, or just show their true colors.

In my experience, the first few times you sleep with a girl are the best moments you'll ever have with her. After that, it's all going downhill.