[Loveless]

After 5 years in NYC I feel that night game is dead in the city that never sleeps. I have gone out in every neighborhood of Manhattan (won't speak for the other boroughs) and have gotten nowhere for as long as I can remember with cold night game approaches. This includes dive bars, dance clubs, lounges, etc.

I have a large circle of friends here from school, work etc. Some of my friends are self-professed players. I believed their stories about banging 4 girls in 1 weekend or getting BJs in the park. But what I didn't realize until now is that all these bangs are coming from internet game. NYC is overrun by internet game at this point. My friends barely have the balls to do a cold approach in a bar but can get tons of ass from OKC and the like. I have had a lot of success with it myself lately. But I still go out and approach at night.

I usually go out in jeans and a black v-neck, use the "you look like you are having the most fun of anybody here" opener, and try to get girls to move to another bar with me or to my place if I am feeling them. At the least, I go for a number. The opener draws girls in for a bit, but for as long as I can remember, I stall out a minute after the opener 90% of the time.

What I want to know from those on this forum with NYC experience is what is working for you.

What neighborhoods and bars give you the most success?

What clothes and style gives you the most success?

What openers and routines give you the most success?

How do you select the best targets?

I feel like most people will just say my game is weak. But I definitely put in the effort and feel like I have an above average ability to ramble. Looking forward to this input.

[Distant Light]

I've posted a few times about NYC around here, the nightlife sucks outside of the "high end" scene. (both models/bottles and hipster haven) Even WORST is the fact that the whole "models and bottles" business model is becoming more of a niche than the standard due to edm becoming mainstream.

Past 3 years, I've been enjoying the nightlife BUT I realize majority of NYers never even experience the "high end" scene due to door polices being much more tough many years ago. I personally don't like the new direction where people can buy tickets to get into the bigger venues (relative to NY clubs) or if they're a cute chick who's connected, can still potentially get in.

Before it used to be AMAZING to know the venue your hitting would have only hot women, sadly things are changing.

P.S...I only really hangout in mpd and soho...most people say I'm abit of a hipster...don't use openers/routines I just know how to have alot of fun. An I don't select targets, I just socialize and see which chicks "peak my interest"

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-06-2014 03:19 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

I've posted a few times about NYC around here, the nightlife sucks outside of the "high end" scene. (both models/bottles and hipster haven) Even WORST is the fact that the whole "models and bottles" business model is becoming more of a niche than the standard due to edm becoming mainstream.

Past 3 years, I've been enjoying the nightlife BUT I realize majority of NYers never even experience the "high end" scene due to door polices being much more tough many years ago. I personally don't like the new direction where people can buy tickets to get into the bigger venues (relative to NY clubs) or if they're a cute chick who's connected, can still potentially get in.

Before it used to be AMAZING to know the venue your hitting would have only hot women, sadly things are changing.

P.S...I only really hangout in mpd and soho...most people say I'm abit of a hipster...don't use openers/routines I just know how to have alot of fun. An I don't select targets, I just socialize and see which chicks "peak my interest"

Yeah DistantLight - but you are a good-looking Black Hipster, which easily puts you into the very top category of men. Night Game in many places around the world is becoming a very top-level endeavor of men, where guys have to have extremes of Looks, Game & Wealth - sometimes even all 3 factors necessary.

I think the Smartphone and Dating apps like Tinder gave most women such a boost in opportunities, that women are using Night Game even more for attention whoring and the occasional shot to fuck a man way above their realistic LTR-level. They simply have more reasons to ignore the rest.

[Clint Barton]

Build a social circle of fun friends from different industries who are in the know. Got into Up and Down last night(former Darby space) with a friend and we skipped the the mob outside due to his connect with some photographers. He definitely works the room to make connections and not just hit on girls. Anytime I want to roll with him to places like this or Goldbar or No. 8, I just have to hit him up.

Great talent inside Up and Down and the layout/vibe made the girls approachable.

To answer your questions:
What neighborhoods and bars give you the most success? Lower east side. Pianos and Hotel Chantelle. Try pianos on sun-wed night after 10p or HC on the weekends(packed). For a good hip hop scene check out bobs or Fat Buddha.

What clothes and style gives you the most success? Whatever I'm feeling comfortable in. Sometimes suited up, but mostly jeans, nice boots, and a henley.

What openers and routines give you the most success? Simple "hey what's up" or "can I get a light" or "hey how's your night going" or "what you trying to get into" to open. Don't really have routines I just keep talking, maybe about my recent travels, what both of us did earlier in the evening, age guessing, ethnicity or where shes from guessing(if she's white I'll guess she's from Ethiopia or Ecuador or some bullshit), light teasing about any garbage that comes from her mouth, all while touching her and trying to isolate her. Escalate escalate escalate.

How do you select the best targets? Cute girls in groups of 3 or less. Helps to have a good wing.

NYC to me is the best place in the states to game. Lots of diversity and talent of women here. Volume of nightlife is best in the US too. Gotta put the work in, find your fave spots and put them on lock, and hopefully you've got great logistics for those spots.

[Ensam]

No. I was in NYC a few weeks ago and went home with the 3rd girl I talked to. Easiest lay I've gotten in a while. I was suited down though.

[Fortis]

I didn't get that impression at all when I was last in NYC, but I am not much of a city slicker, so take my perspective with a grain of salt.

[slubu]

I'll echo everyone else..absolutely not.

My friend just took a girl home last night that he met out at a club in lower east side. I woke up this morning in a girl's bed I had met previously out a club and left her doorman'd apartment to walk home. Clint, myself, Spider, warder and a bunch of others I know in NYC both on and off the forum pull regularly from night game.

NYC also has meaning behind numbers. I've gotten plenty of numbers to bangs here from night game. It is not like LA where a number is as good as toilet paper you used to wipe your ass that morning.

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I usually go out in jeans and a black v-neck, use the "you look like you are having the most fun of anybody here" opener, and try to get girls to move to another bar with me or to my place if I am feeling them. At the least, I go for a number. The opener draws girls in for a bit, but for as long as I can remember, I stall out a minute after the opener 90% of the time.

Your dress is fine, but if you are saying you stall a minute after the opener then you need to work on your banter. The opener really doesn't matter, but if you want the easiest one it's to ask for a light. Get some low nicotine based cigs if you don't smoke. But this is not even necessary, see Clint's responses for openers.

It's a numbers game to a point but the beauty is in NYC the numbers are endless. Approach until one bites, make her laugh, move her around the bar, then just be aggressive. We are in America after all. I've had several girls tell me they couldn't believe how fast I asked them after meeting to come home with me (sometimes within 20-30 minutes) but guess what they came. Also, all girls I've brought home I've made out with at the bar/club before suggesting the move to my place.

Keep in mind, we are dealing with 6-7s here mostly. The elusive 8s are still hard to ONS, at least for me.

With ALL that said, is it worth it is a whole other conversation. But it's definitely not dead.

[Vaun]

To echo Clint's comments, New York is what you make it. The common bars everywhere are as lame as they have ever been, they really haven't changed much in 20 years. Getting laid is easy if you try, but you have to be comfortable in your environ and I'd rather go out and have fun with friends than go out solo and 'hunt.' Especially if you have nightly obligations for work during the week, going out for me is seeing friends and reconnecting with them, than going out every night for a drink or two. I will go to clubs for fun with friends but thats about it, I have never been into rolling solo because after a week of 60-80 hrs of work and travel, if I am not meeting friends I'd rather completely chill.

Here is the thing though, its easy to put stock in your local bars and online as the only source, but I keep my eyes open and approach every single day from the moment I step out of my apartment. I regularly approach(unintended) right in front of my building. I met a model who I date now this way, two weeks ago and we have a common close friend. No BS. If I looked to the worn out hipster bars in my neighborhood as my only source to meet women, along with Tinder and online, I would become one of those depressed dudes I meet all the time in this city.

You have to approach everywhere, or be able to, anywhere, anytime, every day. There are more beautiful women in this city than anywhere in the world, just walking around shopping, drinking coffee, interested in meeting a cool guy. Especially this week with Fashion Week! Dress for you and no one else, but at least be fashionable and leave the douche gear at home(sqaure toed shoes, crew neck white under shirts, clothes that are too large, etc), get a stylist or a personal shopper and up your look. Suited game is contrived in clubs in my opinion, unless you are coming from the office where you just closed a big ass deal.

[Clint Barton]

Yup this thread is on night game in NYC in bars/clubs but as Vaun said keep your eyes open. I've met girls late night at McDonalds, hot dog stands, diners, outside the bars once the streets are full with everybody after 4am, etc.

I think suited up is fine as long as you are comfortable in your look and your game is congruent with being suited up.

[silviophonic]

Just want to chime in and say BROOKLYN is where it's at as far as night game, day game, clubs, bars, girls, etc. in NYC, especially if you are down with the hipster vibe (so bros in baseball caps need not apply ). Manhattan can still be fun, but it's expensive and you need to know where to go. The center of gravity has definitely moved across the river.

I can break this down more if I had time, but someone should do a proper datasheet on Brooklyn. It's where the HBs roam free..

That said:

[BDawg]

Had fun drinking beer and hanging out in the East Village last night.

Wound up meeting a Rockette, an established heterosexual dance choreographer and comedian Judah Friedlander.

Being friends with the bartender pays off exponentially.

Manhattan is very style sensitive so, learning the basics of menswear gives you traction and conveys information to the target that you have class.

The targets I look for are both attractive and receptive..

Clubs and bars are great places to take a date after you've fucked them, but they can't hold a candle to day game where you can catch all the signals and can move on more quickly to the next quarry.

As Arthur Schopenhauer wrote, "[t]he ordinary man plods through the dark world with his lantern turned on the things he wants; the man of genius sees the world by the light of the sun."