[Thomas the Rhymer]

An unusual amount of brain area deals with the control of facial features. We have evolved to be genetically programmed to make a good deal of use of our faces, as well as pick an immense amount of unconscious information from other people's faces. Because the brain controls the face, if you damage enough brain, you will alter the control of the face. Since such a large area of the brain is dedicated to the face, almost any damage to any area in the brain is likely to alter face control.

Indeed, when a patient is seriously ill with some brain damaging disease, their facial expressions will often become bizarre, cold, or grimaced. Uncontrolled schizophrenia will melt the brain to the extent that schizophrenics are left with a cold, blank lifeless face; patients with advanced AIDS, where the HIV virus has started nuking the brain, develop a peculiar tortured grimace. These are just two of the obvious examples, but many minor causes of brain damage or brain dysfunction can cause alteration of facial control.

I would like to discuss one possible cause of brain damage that is unique to women - the phenomenon of microchimerism. This is the ability of the female body to absorb other people's genetic material and to incorporate the material into her own body. Recent studies have found that microchimerism can even manifest in the brain.

What does this mean? It means that if a female is pregnant with a child, or receives a blood/organ transfusion, or receives some other genetic payload (such as a man's semen), then her body may end up absorbing some of that DNA, splice it into her own genetic code, and she will end up carrying it with her, for as long as the cell that absorbed the genes will live and breed.

There is also evidence that microchimeric DNA can even splice itself into the DNA of brain cells, although how the gene material manages to migrate across the blood brain barrier remains, for now, a mystery.

Now, the consequences of microchimerism are still not understood, so from this point on I'm giving my speculation. My speculative hypothesis is this: that microchimerism causes inflammation which causes damage to the tissue surrounding it.

Why should this be? Well, the human immune system will naturally try to destroy any cell that carries DNA that doesn't match the host's code. This makes sense because unmatched DNA is usually from bacteria or viruses or parasites; or the human cell has gone cancerous or is itself infected with a virus/parasite. In other words, foreign DNA usually means the presence of foreign invader, and the immune system will attempt to destroy any cell that harbors foreign DNA to protect the body.

So presumably, when these microchimeric DNA strands insert themselves into brain cells, the immune system cells of the brain will become alarmed and try to nuke them. In essence, some brain damage occurs due to the presence of microchimeras.

Now consider this: the wider the variety of foreign DNA, obviously the greater the amount of possible targets that will activate the immune system, which will lead to a greater amount of immune inflammatory activity to kill the affected cells. A few rogue strands of DNA might go unnoticed, but if you pile a lot of junk DNA into the brain, the immune system will react.

Since women who undergo unprotected sex expose themselves to this danger of microchimerism, a woman's best bet is to have unprotected sex with as few partners as possible. The less variety of DNA she absorbs, the less likely the immune system will go into alarm mode. On the other hand, if she absorbs a lot of DNA from a wide variety of lovers, she is more likely to trigger off the immune system, simply because there are more potential triggers for the immune system to detect (i.e. the larger and more varied the sample size, the greater the statistical chance of the immune system picking up something abnormal and then trying to destroy that abnormal thing).

So in other words: less unprotected sex = less brain damage. More unprotected sex = more brain damage.

Now, since a large part of the brain controls the face, the microchimeric DNA has a pretty good chance of landing in a face control area when it splices its way into the brain. Meaning that facial control is altered, meaning that facial tone and expression is altered.

I am struck at how fresh-faced teenagers may after a few years develop what's called the thousand cock stare, while wholesome religious females who only ever love and marry one man seem to retain a girlish charm to their faces for several decades. I now suspect that the thousand cock stare is in face due to brain damage, because of exposure to massive amounts of a wide variety of DNA from semen forcing it's way into the brain and triggering off inflammatory brain damage, leading to an altered facial tone.

So next time you cum inside a girl after having unprotected sex, remember that you are literally
BANGING HER BRAINS OUT!

[Foolsgo1d]

So this is why the hotter the girl, the crazier she is? Either her or her mother took too much of the white stuff to her noggin.

[Travesty]

This is why I believe if you are an honorable man you should not pump and dump good girls. It's really unfair to her and society. To go further you really shouldn't fuck her unless you feel long term chemistry.

I'm guilty of this and making an a real effort to not let it happen again. I regret the times I've done it and am glad when I restrained myself. There was a 20yo virgin girl in college I dated for a few months and did not bang because I knew I didn't want to be with her. One of the best sexual decisions I've made.

There's so many hot sluts out there in the first place.

[MrXY]

Fascinating theory but:

[Texas_Tryhard]

What you describe is not microchimerism, and this post is full of science words being used to describe things that have no supporting evidence. Research microchimerism a little more before posting about it. Gobblygook.

[Parlay44]

Women have a term for it ...Mommy Brain. I've had women admit to me that they've gotten much stupider after having kids. That's why it's in men's best interest to bang and impregnate young beautiful women. Their more likely to fall into and accept traditional gender roles. Remember in biblical times women were married off or betroved as soon as they started bleeding.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Interesting idea - could be true to a degree.

I ardently believe that pleomorphism as advanced by Antoine Bechamp vs. Pasteur's germ theory is the more prevalent mechanism in our biology. That means that there are micr-bacteria and viruses which change and transform into more advanced forms depending on the basis and health of the body tissue.

We also know now that women likely absorb serotonin and tryptophan via sperm "donations" to the mouth or vagina, so why should it not be impossible for them to also absorb strands of genetic material of the very same sperm.

Now since pleomorphism is strongly combated by the medical establishment for good profit-based reasons we won't see much progress on the matter here - especially coupled with the entire gender and feminism craziness, that tries to convince us that men and women are exactly equal sexually.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Thomas, first, it's nice to see you around here again. I hope you had an enjoyable and productive self-imposed break -- I've missed seeing your name in various threads.

Second, I doubt your theory is true because I've seen some older sluts who have fucked hundreds if not thousands of men, and appear to me to be some of the healthiest and happiest creatures that ever walked the earth. Here is an extreme example: this is Yumi Kazama, a celebrated and notorious Japanese whore and porn actress. I think she's fucked and sucked about as many men as any female on earth (she is extremely busy and active) and this is what she looks like at **40**:



If you met her and talked to her, you'd think she was a charming, gorgeous and luscious whore and you would need to get your cock in one or all of her holes as soon as possible, but there would be no question of "damage" or a "thousand cock stare".

I believe that sex and fucking are actually great for pussy, and keep it healthy and in good trim. In fact, I think fucking should be the main and virtually only physical exercise that a beautiful female does to stay in shape. Other than that, she should just walk around, do some light housechores, a little cooking and cleaning, and eat a light, healthy and mostly vegetarian diet. That is what these high-level Japanese whores do.

The fact that so many sluts and whores are indeed so often damaged after many years of that lifestyle is, in my opinion, due to activities ancillary to that sort of life: hard drinking, drugs, a bad and irregular diet, and unnatural and irregular sleeping and waking hours. Women are made to be creatures of the day, and they do best when they rise with the birds after sleeping the sleep of a baby. They can have a light breakfast and do some chores, and then they are ready to fuck and suck all day long and go to bed in the evening to do it all over again. What really ages them is not the sucking and fucking but bad lifestyle choices -- they do terribly with booze, drugs, bad late night food and the like.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(09-01-2014 01:49 PM)Texas_Tryhard Wrote:  

What you describe is not microchimerism, and this post is full of science words being used to describe things that have no supporting evidence. Research microchimerism a little more before posting about it. Gobblygook.

Wikipedia article on microchimerism, focusing more on fetal-maternal transfer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchimerism

Science article detecting male DNA in female brains:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ado...ne.0045592

Science article finding microchimerism in females who have never had kids, which leads to hypothesis that semen is the source of the foreign DNA:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16084184

I always appreciate criticism, but I'd appreciate something more constructive than merely calling it 'gobblygook.'

Although I admit that much of what I've written is speculation. It's an interesting hypothesis to me though.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(09-01-2014 02:16 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

I think she's fucked and sucked about as many men as any female on earth (she is extremely busy and active) and this is what she looks like at **40**:

I don't know, those look like crazy eyes to me (would still bang). For me, the telltale sign is the peculiar laxity of the eyelids - the loss of the innocent bright eyed look.

Compare Kardashian's eyes to Hepburn's.
Kardashian has a peculiar relaxedness to her eyelids, that I personally have come to associate with sluts. It indicates decreased tone, which I speculate may be due to brain damage to the face tone control centres of the brain:


Hepburn's eyelids have normal tone, giving a bright eyed innocent look:


Although at this point I suppose we should discuss exactly what everyone thinks constitutes the 'thousand cock stare'. Tuthmosis once mentioned it, but he basically said 'You know it when you see it.' as I recall.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-01-2014 02:16 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

... this is Yumi Kazama, a celebrated and notorious Japanese whore and porn actress. I think she's fucked and sucked about as many men as any female on earth (she is extremely busy and active) and this is what she looks like at **40**:



If you met her and talked to her, you'd think she was a charming, gorgeous and luscious whore and you would need to get your cock in one or all of her holes as soon as possible, but there would be no question of "damage" or a "thousand cock stare".

.. What really ages them is not the sucking and fucking but bad lifestyle choices -- they do terribly with booze, drugs, bad late night food and the like.

Yup - sounds more like it. Especially Japanese women have a lighthearted feminine and submissive approach towards sexuality. Most Western Pornstars would be completely masculine and jaded if they did as much men as those Japanese starlets do.

A lot is in the head and the mental attitudes connected - also lifestyle - food, drugs etc. I personally know a few Escorts "behind the scenes" - they spent years getting drunk at 10 am and perforating their noses by all the blow they did. They did all of that to mentally survive the parade of dicks. On the other hand a Japanese girl might be all happy and submissive about it - even having an orgasm regularly on the set. This can only be explained by the fact that she actually has remained a girl inwardly - relishing her submissive femininity - and keeps her body in good health.

[Texas_Tryhard]

(09-01-2014 02:27 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(09-01-2014 01:49 PM)Texas_Tryhard Wrote:  

What you describe is not microchimerism, and this post is full of science words being used to describe things that have no supporting evidence. Research microchimerism a little more before posting about it. Gobblygook.

Wikipedia article on microchimerism, focusing more on fetal-maternal transfer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchimerism

Science article detecting male DNA in female brains:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ado...ne.0045592

Science article finding microchimerism in females who have never had kids, which leads to hypothesis that semen is the source of the foreign DNA:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16084184

I always appreciate criticism, but I'd appreciate something more constructive than merely calling it 'gobblygook.'

Although I admit that much of what I've written is speculation. It's an interesting hypothesis to me though.

Although I was quite curt, understand that I could spend all day constructively criticizing ideas with no supporting evidence, and I don't like to waste my time doing that unless the opposing party supplied some themselves. Since you have kindly supplied your sources, I'll give a more constructive reply. For the record, I had in fact read the PLoS paper before replying, although I hadn't bothered to download the Science paper, which I've now read.

"Microchimerism (abbreviated Mc) is the presence of a small number of cells that originate from another individual and are therefore genetically distinct from the cells of the host individual."

In this case, you're making the extraordinary claim that haploid cells (or haploid DNA) are somehow able to find its way into a woman's brain (or brain cells) and induce inflammation. The mechanism of microchimerism in the brain is thought to require the unique circumstances of pregnancy to allow for transfer across the blood-brain barrier.

For this 'hypothesis' to hold any possible chance of being true, you should at least have evidence supporting it. In this case, your evidence consists of (in order of the sources you presented):

1. Microchimerism is a thing.
A: I don't dispute this. Microchimerism is in fact a thing.

2. Microchimerism can be found in female brains.
A: I don't dispute this. Microchimeric cell populations were found in females.

3. Not all microchimerism IN CIRCULATING BLOOD can be explained by full-term pregnancies.
A: Agreed.


However, you used these three pieces of evidence to jump into a fantastical hypothesis that has no supporting evidence. The hypothesis relies on a framework made of multiple points that haven't been shown (three which come to mind presented below):

1. Haploid DNA from sperm cells are capable of being inserted into the genome of a human.

2. These cells are then capable of transferring across the blood-brain barrier in the absence of the pregnancy-mediated changes in its filtering capacity.

3. These chimeric cells cause inflammation.
Additional info: In both of these studies, they tested whether microchimerism was more prolific in study subjects with diseases that are disruptions in either autophagy (Alzheimer's disease, although this is a simplification) or inflammation (Rheumatoid arthritis). Alzheimer's disease patients actually had less chimeric cells and there was no difference between patient populations in the rheumatoid arthritis study. Although this hardly rules out anything, it does make inflammation in the brain more unlikely.

Additionally, you can hardly call the author's claims in the Science paper support, and certainly not some hypothesis, just a 'possibility' (their words). They give multiple potential explanations that are much more probable, with evidence suggesting that they actually take place (below quote). And even if sex was a potential explanation, all three of the above points still hold true, because circulating blood is not the same as the brain.

Quote:

"Among women who only had daughters or were nulligravid, one potential explanation for male microchimerism could be a nonrecognized (male) miscarriage. Fetal traffic into maternal blood has been reported as early as 4 to 5 weeks postconception, and recent studies suggest the incidence of early pregnancy loss is much higher than previously thought. A second potential source is from a “vanished (male) twin.” A vanished twin is thought to be a relatively common phenomena resulting from spontaneous resorption of one sac or embryo in a twin pregnancy. Twin loss occurs most often in the first trimester and is usually completely reabsorbed into the placenta without being noticed at birth. A third possibility is from an older male sibling transferred by the maternal circulation to the fetus of a later pregnancy. Another possibility that has not been investigated is whether male DNA can be detected in a woman’s circulation from sexual intercourse without pregnancy."

I can come up with a ton of interesting hypotheses, but before I'd share them with others, I'd at least give them the scrutiny they deserve. After all, not everyone has the benefit of years of study into scientific fields, so if you endeavor to share your thoughts with the forum, you may be the only one qualified to apply the proper skepticism to them. People are relying on your assumed expertise, at least somewhat, and I hope you agree that this is a burden as well as a blessing.

[Cr33pin]

(09-01-2014 02:44 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

Compare Kardashian's eyes to Hepburn's.
Kardashian has a peculiar relaxedness to her eyelids, that I personally have come to associate with sluts. It indicates decreased tone, which I speculate may be due to brain damage to the face tone control centres of the brain:

Where are the eyes in this pic? I don't see them so I can't figure out what your talking about.

[runsonmagic]

Now I'm worried the same can happen to men, and I'm going to go nuts from all the crazy I've banged.

[Sonsowey]

Is there any evidence that microchimerism in any way affects the host?

[gringochileno]

Very interesting post. Thanks especially for providing links to sources in the literature. I'll have to look more closely at those before I can claim to have a well-formed opinion, but my initial reaction is that any contribution of microchimerism-caused inflammation to the "thousand cock stare" phenomenon is likely to be minor since we already have highly plausible social, environmental, and evolutionary-psychological explanations that appear to be sufficient on their own. Definitely something I would be excited to learn more about though.

Also, this is nitpicking but you claimed in your OP that receiving a blood transfusion could be a vector for introducing foreign DNA. Red blood cells don't have nuclei or chromosomes so this should not be the case to a significant degree, correct?

[Parlay44]

(09-01-2014 04:53 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

Now I'm worried the same can happen to men, and I'm going to go nuts from all the crazy I've banged.

I wouldn't worry about it unless you've been receiving some back door deliveries.

[K Galt]

While there may very well be something to this microchimera idea, I think we could look at 3 other more mundane sources for the development of the 1000 cock stare.

1) Diet. That alone could account for the difference between the Japanese slut versus the Anglo-ho. Japanese eat a lot of fish, seafood and vegetables (an anti-inflammatory diet), while Anglo-hos eat fast food, processed junk food, restaurant fare, GMO grain based snack and dessert food and a lot of sugar - a highly inflammatory diet. Diet plays a significant role in mental health, and the 1000 cock stare is no doubt an indication of mental health. A person with a healthy diet can withstand far more stress and harder lifestyles than a typical Anglo-ho on the S.A.D.

2) Plain old stress and anxiety fluctuations. The 1000 cock Anglo-ho riding the carousel is in a constant state of anxiety, self esteem panic, and on a constant roller coaster of emotions from getting pumped and dumped over and over and over again. Throw in a couple of bastard kids from different men, and you're talking a daily life of stress and pressure.

3) Total sluts that have 3 digit N counts are simply mentally off to begin with - and more likely than not, already came from a broken home with a slutty mother as her role model. She may have had the beginnings of the 1000 cock stare before she even hopped on her first cock at 12 or 13 years old...

And that's not even considering the hormonal issues from such a slut being on birth control for decades at a time.

But, hey...good thread. It certainly is something interesting to contemplate. Regardless of cause, I'm sure we can all agree, any Anglo-ho with the obvious thousand cock stare, is good for nothing but a pump and dump - if even that.

[BortimusPrime]

(09-01-2014 08:35 PM)K Galt Wrote:  

3) Total sluts that have 3 digit N counts are simply mentally off to begin with - and more likely than not, already came from a broken home with a slutty mother as her role model. She may have had the beginnings of the 1000 cock stare before she even hopped on her first cock at 12 or 13 years old...

This theory strikes me as being a tad more plausible than genetically engineered brain damage bukkake.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(09-01-2014 07:17 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Also, this is nitpicking but you claimed in your OP that receiving a blood transfusion could be a vector for introducing foreign DNA. Red blood cells don't have nuclei or chromosomes so this should not be the case to a significant degree, correct?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17198844

It is speculated that it is due to leftover white blood cells, which do have DNA.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(09-01-2014 04:16 PM)Texas_Tryhard Wrote:  

Since you have kindly supplied your sources, I'll give a more constructive reply.

There, that wasn't so hard!

(09-01-2014 04:16 PM)Texas_Tryhard Wrote:  

I can come up with a ton of interesting hypotheses, but before I'd share them with others, I'd at least give them the scrutiny they deserve.... People are relying on your assumed expertise, at least somewhat, and I hope you agree that this is a burden as well as a blessing.

Where's the fun in that? Some of the most amazing discoveries in science have been due to people coming up with crazy ideas.

You're right that I have no evidence that haploid DNA can migrate to the brain. But the more I learn about the human body, the weirder I realise it is, and I wouldn't be surprised if DNA can actually do that. The female body has a unique tolerance to foreign genetic material - that's why the fetus isn't nuked the moment it forms inside a woman's body.

An alternative possibility is that a man's semen will accumulate in a woman's pelvis, where it is slowly broken down by the immune system (it's not like semen can just vanish into thin air) and the inflammatory molecules created from can then diffuse throughout the body, including the brain, and trigger off cell death. But the DNA idea sounds so much more cool to me though.

[Feisbook Control]

I think K Galt and Lizard are on the right track. Carousel riders were quite possibly damaged to begin with and also have unhealthy lifestyles in general.

A couple of random points on Japanese porn.

I read an article a while ago which claimed that every year, there are nine thousand new videos released in Japan. Every year, there are six thousand new recruits (a staggering number, when you think about it), but most only ever make one video. The veterans in the industry are a small number. Also of real surprise to me was that the vast majority of those movies use a pool of about seventy veteran male porn stars. At some level then, those women might not have had sex with nearly as many men as Western porn stars, though they've obviously had sex with the same pool of guys lots of times. Of course, that doesn't take into account extra-curricular activities.

With regard to veteran (female) Japanese porn stars, am I the only one who has noticed that Maria Ozawa is starting to hit the wall in a big way, much bigger than most Japanese porn stars? She's going to look fucking awful by the time she's 40, I think (she's 28 now). An obvious difference between her and most others is obviously genetic: she's half Caucasian. There's also another very interesting fact about her. The overwhelming majority of Japanese porn stars are scouted. Maria Ozawa purposely sought out the industry herself. I don't know her family history (other than that she's half French-Canadian), but I suspect there's something in there that's off. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she had a big drug habit either.

With regard to other veterans, I would be interested to know how many others were crazy to begin with, sought out the industry, etc.

Other issues to consider might be the nature of the difference between the industries. From my understanding of it, there's a fair crossover between straight and gay porn in the West. Peter North, for instance, got started in gay porn, I believe. Thus, there might be a higher rate of disease being passed on from the gay community to those women. Further to this, whilst Japanese porn seems to be changing now, it used to be that the kinky stuff tended not to be directly sexual (e.g. a lot of bondage, coprophilia in really extreme cases). Anal has always been a much bigger thing in Western porn, and Western porn seems to be a lot more rough in general. Some of that stuff -- like Brazzers -- I can't even watch. I don't know how people find that stuff erotic at all.

The majority of Japanese porn seems to be focused upon the women being demure and so on. It's less damaging psychologically, though I'm not quite sure how bukkake fits into this theory. Coupled with a different set of attitudes to sex generally, it's why it's not such a big thing for Japanese women to do porn a couple of times for some pocket money, and move on, hence the high turnover rate. Western porn seems like it requires women to be more damaged to enter to begin with (so there's a higher -- or lower?! -- barrier for entry), and that it's much more damaging in the long run in general.

[gringochileno]

(09-02-2014 12:30 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(09-01-2014 07:17 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Also, this is nitpicking but you claimed in your OP that receiving a blood transfusion could be a vector for introducing foreign DNA. Red blood cells don't have nuclei or chromosomes so this should not be the case to a significant degree, correct?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17198844

It is speculated that it is due to leftover white blood cells, which do have DNA.

Huh okay, good to know. If the mechanism is leftover WBCs, I wonder why it still applies to leukoreduced blood products. (okay, I'm done derailing.)

[Deluge]

Let's assume for a minute that Thomas's speculation is true.

Does this mean that microchimerism could be transmitted to men too via pussy juice or exchanged saliva during kissing

[rawhide]

(09-01-2014 01:50 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Women have a term for it ...Mommy Brain. I've had women admit to me that they've gotten much stupider after having kids. That's why it's in men's best interest to bang and impregnate young beautiful women. Their more likely to fall into and accept traditional gender roles. Remember in biblical times women were married off or betroved as soon as they started bleeding.

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a pregnancy hormone produced by the placenta after implantation. It's levels rise rather high during the middle of pregnancy and the HCG drug, which is used in fertility treatments and hypogonadism is, in fact, derived from the urine of pregnant women.

It turns out that mouse studies show HCG is associated with Alzheimer's Disease.

Makes you wonder if "Mommy Brain" has a basis in reality.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20844010


Even though the thousand cock stare and seemingly premature aging of inveterate sluts is real, that original post is horseshit.

But brilliant pseudo-scientific horseshit.

We should spread it around to discourage sluts, or potential youth sluttery. It's like those "Scared Straight" programs where they'd take juvenile delinquents into prison and let the hardened inmates scare the fuck out of them. I'm sure a lot of guys are enjoying today's target rich environment, but I'd rather put in more time and work to bang women where I'm not their 23rd notch.