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(09-01-2014 10:50 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

You can let a girl know you are sexually interested in her by just the way you look her. You can communicate very strong sexual interest with just your eyes. I had to do this recently picking up a dancer after dance show. Her family and friends were there and lot of older people, plus it was sort of business related but she got the message.

Nomad,

Could you give a play-by-play of how you subcommunicate intent, how do you do the magic eye contact?

Maybe it's just running across maybe / no girls, but in my case, sexual eye contact appears to be hit-or-miss right now and I'm looking for a system. Once I get a hook, I get good results with doing the "what's your name" handshake and holding onto it until she lets go to gauge her interest, but sometimes I get stuck in friendly but superficial conversation.

[Nomad77]

I don't know how to explain it exactly but basically you have to feel the sexual attraction and let her know what you are feeling with your eyes. It's the same way we can communicate sadness, anger, or joy with only our eyes. Our eyes are very good at reflecting our emotions but we need to be feeling something first.

[The Beast1]

(08-31-2014 02:59 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

This should really be a newbie thread.

The friendzone only exists if you let it. One of my major successes over the past few years has been resolving all my friendzone relationship, either with a bang or cutting ties. I'd say it's been about 50-50. I've also had some success being a non-judgmental friend and getting a nice rebound bang when she drops the current guy. I don't recommend any guys having one-itis attempting that strategy - it's more something that started to happen after I stopped giving a shit about sleeping with any particular girl.

^^^ This ^^^

Gold advice standard here. I had a slooty red head tell me that she'll never sleep with me after she went on a long story about her sexual escapes. After she left, I deleted her phone number out of my phone and haven't talked to her since. I have "friend zoned" many women after I slept with them, but vice versa I don't see the point in keeping them around. Most people aren't worth the trouble beyond having access to a wider social circle.

I also stopped caring about getting laid and just live in the moment. When a girl is ready to sleep with you, she'll make it happen and give the IOIs needed to escalate.

[polar]

Gotcha. When I can feel that it's on, I have some attraction, and I have that thought spinning in my head - "you're cute," or "you're my type". On a date I might have something like "you're going to be mine" or "I am going to do terrible things to you," maybe stare a bit and lock eye contact.

That being said, sometimes pre-approach or at the beginning of an approach I sometimes feel those "I'm scared" or anxious eyes (pupils shrink), and that just acts like pussy repellent, the approach is usually over before it begins.

While on a related topic, it seems like dark sunglasses are often hit or miss. Once I stop a girl, taking them off at least for a minute to share eye contact seems to help.

[Nomad77]

Girls are always going to be reacting to you. This is what inner game is all about: controlling your emotions and projecting an authentic and non-threatening vibe.

[Dalaran1991]

(09-04-2014 11:19 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I don't know how to explain it exactly but basically you have to feel the sexual attraction and let her know what you are feeling with your eyes. It's the same way we can communicate sadness, anger, or joy with only our eyes. Our eyes are very good at reflecting our emotions but we need to be feeling something first.

Good advice and you gave me this before Nomad. However this is also my biggest hiccup in game.

You see, this emotional communication through eyes and body language is "emotional", and this is why its problematic. So many people are emotionally disconnected, uncalibrated and fragmented today. Roosh said 25% of US women have mental problems? Well in Europe for women alone is fucking 27%.

You ever had a bad day and then there s this chick who keep coming on to you and blather on about how she is going on vacation with her dog and shit? Or when everyone is happy but some self-important bitch just keep pulling people down with those "help me Im poor" eyes?

Or, the most common problem of all: girl suddenly discovers that you are sexually attracted to her, and she goes haywire "omg this guy like me what am I gonna do? I have to text stephanie"

Granted I did have more success as I develop my sex gaze.

Maybe Im running into this bc I keep meeting young 20s chicks in a crazy city like Paris. I dunno.

[Nomad77]

One of the things you have to learn to to become non-reactive. Just think of them as silly little kids that don't know shit and you are the adult. As the adult your job is teach them how to behave and view the world and you do that by being the example. Just let me do and say whatever they want and just don't react to it all the while looking at them in this comforting but sexual manner. Ever notice whatever you mood is that you happen to become more like the person you are with? This is called emotions transference and it's real. So what will happen whether they like it or not is that you will transfer your emotional state to them. Not 100% but depending on how strong that state is, it could be a significant amount.

Bottom line, hold your frame and don't let their behavior get to you too much. This is especially important with younger girls. Remember, you are the adult and their are the kids.

[Moma]

Nomad, this is good advice especially about treating the lizards like kids. This is true as they have never allowed themselves to fully emotionally develop. If your kid asks for candy and you know it's too late, you don't waste time engaging in a logical debate, you ignore him/her and kiss the crown of their head and send their ass to bed.

Now, to expand, I notice you have mentioned on multiple occasions with lizardly interactions that the desire must be there in order to communicate intent without too much faking. I concur but my question is, why waste time with lizards one doesn't desire? It should be a given that for one to engage in a lizard, one must have the strong desire to take her into bed and poke her belly out.

[Nomad77]

A lot of guys don't go after girls they really want. The waste a lot of time on girls that just want attention. They get nervous around girls they really want.

[44delta]

The friend zone can only happen if you really fuck up and / or don't bail when you know you should. At one time, I ended up there fairly regularly. Nowadays, I do two things that make it impossible to be freind zoned:

- I communicate intent very clearly, and start escalating from the beginning, by body language and touch. There's some variation on when this begins (first 10 seconds? 20 minutes in?), but once the program starts, it runs like clockwork.

- I have a three-date policy. If I haven't blown a load by the third time we meet, she's gone. This obviously has the benefit of avoiding wasted time, but it also ties into the general willingness to walk that a man with options has. That attitude leaks out, and they can see it.

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I concur but my question is, why waste time with lizards one doesn't desire?

Once in a while, if I find myself with one that I'm not really interested in, and don't have anything better to do, I'll game her just for practice or to try new ideas. It's kinda fun for both of us, and I can "friend-zone" us afterward just as easily as she can, with no more hard feelings than all the guys she did it to.

[Moma]

(09-06-2014 09:27 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

A lot of guys don't go after girls they really want. The waste a lot of time on girls that just want attention. They get nervous around girls they really want.

Expand on this. Fat lizards want attention but most guys don't go for them.

[Nomad77]

Let me give you are real life example. I went out last night with three guys. These guys would see some girl and go wow! she's hot! I would then go and open the girl and try to bring them in. They would always just stand there and not say anything. Many times they wouldn't even come over to the girls when I called them. And these girls were usually at a 7 at the most. Later in the night the eventually stated dancing with some girls. These girls were 4-5 at the most. All these girls these guys really wanted they didn't feel they could get or deserve. They went after girls the felt they could get instead. So I wasted all of the that time and energy trying to help them get girls they didn't think their were worthy of in the first place.

Most people do not go after what they really want in life, they go after what they think they can get.

[Moma]

(09-07-2014 10:49 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Let me give you are real life example. I went out last night with three guys. These guys would see some girl and go wow! she's hot! I would then go and open the girl and try to bring them in. They would always just stand there and not say anything. Many times they wouldn't even come over to the girls when I called them. And these girls were usually at a 7 at the most. Later in the night the eventually stated dancing with some girls. These girls were 4-5 at the most. All these girls these guys really wanted they didn't feel they could get or deserve. They went after girls the felt they could get instead. So I wasted all of the that time and energy trying to help them get girls they didn't think their were worthy of in the first place.

Most people do not go after what they really want in life, they go after what they think they can get.

I think your example given is misconstruing desire for application. Everyone desires the 7's but there is a big problem with thirst management. Sometimes if guys go after a lizard with desire, it can be seen as thirst which will turn off the lizard especially when she has beaucoup options in cities like Miami.

The key is to maintain the desire with a cold technical acumen where you know what you want and telegraph it with your eyes and an aloof fashion but not necessarily with pleads for her to come home and get her vagina burst.

This is simple but not easy. There is no absolute formula for this. The thirst is really mitigated by [u]having multiple options[/u] and being quite good looking (presenting a good body helps if your face isn't up to par). Nothing conveys lack of interest/concern like ACTUAL LACK OF INTEREST AND CONCERN.

The only reason hawt lizards can play off guys like suckers and simps is because the field is tilted in their favour. They get 200 messages daily begging to suck their pussy for free on Facebook, another 200 from twitter and another 200 from instagram.

But if you ever meet a lizard without options, she will be as thirsty as a guy is.

I had a lizard once crying on the phone in Toronto because she wanted dyck. Her options were exhausted and I was her bounceback from a failed previous relationship.

Back to the abundance theory, if you have many lizards in the pipeline, then if you go and holla and she is wasting your time, you merely let the other lizard option kick in.

Personal example, I had three options last night to go out to an event. I had two events and another lizard just wanted a quiet date. One lizard called it off so I texted the next lizard in command that I was going to meet her. I chose the second lizard because she is of means and I actually wanted to connect with her on a business level. The third one portrays herself as an intellectual so I naturally want to poke her stomach out.