(Googled around the forum, didn't find a thread that tackled this head on) - this was the closest but not quite hit the spot: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-16782.html
TL;DR: I think I'm having issues with building attraction and conveying sexual intent, would appreciate advice from more experienced guys on troubleshooting.
About me for context: early-intermediate day gamer, I practice on and off. Generally approach 5-7's, focus on college age girls - street, campus, or sometimes store approaches. I can get phone numbers fairly consistently - about 20% rate over my last ~30 recent street approaches which lasted over 1 min. About 1/3 are dead, 1/3 flake after a couple of texts, and 1/3 have converted into a date in recent times. My approach anxiety is relatively under control, and I can hold a ramble for 5-10 minutes, especially on social topics. I've gotten dates and a few lays from girls I've cold approached over the last couple of years (when between relationships), but not at the quality I'd like. I get pinned as nice guy material, I seem to do better with more feminine girls, lacking the frame control needed for the dominant ones.
Typical approach: indirect (usually ask for directions, events nearby, or situational), ramble, drop bait, get her name, handshake (try to extend the hold), see if she asks for my name, and ask if she wants to grab a drink once the conversation fizzes out regardless. Much of the time the rambling / conversation stays at a social level, the girls are friendly and polite but don't pick up on the bait - no "oh wow" and asking me questions, more tolerating my questions and deflecting more personal ones (what do you do for fun, etc ) - stays shallow and superficial, like a bus stop conversation - vibes are good throughout, and I don't get branded as a creeper.
When an approach goes well, there is strong eye contact and that "it's on" moment, but often I can't get the "maybe" girls to slow down and hooked in a conversation. What seems to have happened is that I've gotten better at screening for "yes" girls and running don't-fuck-up game, but having trouble at building the "maybes" into converting. Often, if I try to insert a "actually, I wanted to talk to you because I thought you're cute," there's good vibes, but the girl bows out or gives me a dud #.
I've gone on a few dates recently, sourced from both cold approaches and online. I seem to be having similar issues on those as well - conversation often stays at a superficial / logical level, the girls don't open up emotionally and are not receptive to kino, and flake.
TL;DR: I think I'm having issues with building attraction and conveying sexual intent, would appreciate advice from more experienced guys on troubleshooting.
About me for context: early-intermediate day gamer, I practice on and off. Generally approach 5-7's, focus on college age girls - street, campus, or sometimes store approaches. I can get phone numbers fairly consistently - about 20% rate over my last ~30 recent street approaches which lasted over 1 min. About 1/3 are dead, 1/3 flake after a couple of texts, and 1/3 have converted into a date in recent times. My approach anxiety is relatively under control, and I can hold a ramble for 5-10 minutes, especially on social topics. I've gotten dates and a few lays from girls I've cold approached over the last couple of years (when between relationships), but not at the quality I'd like. I get pinned as nice guy material, I seem to do better with more feminine girls, lacking the frame control needed for the dominant ones.
Typical approach: indirect (usually ask for directions, events nearby, or situational), ramble, drop bait, get her name, handshake (try to extend the hold), see if she asks for my name, and ask if she wants to grab a drink once the conversation fizzes out regardless. Much of the time the rambling / conversation stays at a social level, the girls are friendly and polite but don't pick up on the bait - no "oh wow" and asking me questions, more tolerating my questions and deflecting more personal ones (what do you do for fun, etc ) - stays shallow and superficial, like a bus stop conversation - vibes are good throughout, and I don't get branded as a creeper.
When an approach goes well, there is strong eye contact and that "it's on" moment, but often I can't get the "maybe" girls to slow down and hooked in a conversation. What seems to have happened is that I've gotten better at screening for "yes" girls and running don't-fuck-up game, but having trouble at building the "maybes" into converting. Often, if I try to insert a "actually, I wanted to talk to you because I thought you're cute," there's good vibes, but the girl bows out or gives me a dud #.
I've gone on a few dates recently, sourced from both cold approaches and online. I seem to be having similar issues on those as well - conversation often stays at a superficial / logical level, the girls don't open up emotionally and are not receptive to kino, and flake.
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Captainstabbin: "girls get more attractive with your dick in their mouth. It's science."
Spaniard88: "The "believe anything" crew contributes: "She's probably a good girl, maybe she lost her virginity to someone with AIDS and only had sex once before you met her...give her a chance.""
