[la_mode]

Always had a thing for Shirley since that song came out.

[soup]

Op has no idea what he's talking about on this subject

[soup]

(08-21-2014 11:16 PM)soup Wrote:  

Reads like op has no idea what he's talking about on this subject

[Socrate]

Interesting topic.
My "happiness" (for lack of a better world) has always been stable, even when great things happened to me or bad things. Somehow I stay pretty neutral on average.
Recently I know that my motivation has dropped, and that's the first time in my life I'm experiencing it. The biggest reason is probably because my business is stagnating. I just lost a lot of motivation, and I have an extremely hard time motivating myself to fix it.
I'm actually very surprised myself by this behaviour, and I'd like to ask you guys if you've experienced it, and how did you fix it? I just signed up to a gym (before I was doing gym at home, but I ended up fucking around). I'm sure it's not depression, and I'm sensing that everyone around me my age (28) is experiencing some doubts about their life.
I just want a boost so I can get back to the state where I was before. Just writing it down is helping actually, ha!

[TravelerKai]

(08-21-2014 11:16 PM)soup Wrote:  

Op has no idea what he's talking about on this subject

Some people really cannot understand mental illnesses for a litany of reasons. I have ADD, yet no one in my family believes it or gives a shit about it. I could not drive a car for years without medicine. It's like I grew up in an Italian mob or something. All of them virtually think mental illness is bullshit and crazy people are just crazy people. They are educated too which is the sad part.

Hell I saw that radioactive shit-pile of topics dismissing ADD/ADHD on RVF, and I wanted to reply to them, but decided it would be like trying to describe a sandy beach with a hot sun to a polar bear that lives in the North Pole. Why bother. There is a reason why the wikipedia page for says it is a controversial issue. Not because the psychologists/psychiatrists don't think it exists, it's because it is not easy to discuss this due to the social issues related to it.

[rlongo924]

Used to think it wasn't until someone I know dealt with it.

Most definitely a disease. It's honestly kind of scary to be around because it's basically like your own brain is turning on you.

Very strange.

[soup]

(08-22-2014 09:40 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 11:16 PM)soup Wrote:  

Op has no idea what he's talking about on this subject

Some people really cannot understand mental illnesses for a litany of reasons. I have ADD, yet no one in my family believes it or gives a shit about it. I could not drive a car for years without medicine. It's like I grew up in an Italian mob or something. All of them virtually think mental illness is bullshit and crazy people are just crazy people. They are educated too which is the sad part.

Hell I saw that radioactive shit-pile of topics dismissing ADD/ADHD on RVF, and I wanted to reply to them, but decided it would be like trying to describe a sandy beach with a hot sun to a polar bear that lives in the North Pole. Why bother. There is a reason why the wikipedia page for says it is a controversial issue. Not because the psychologists/psychiatrists don't think it exists, it's because it is not easy to discuss this due to the social issues related to it.

I think the reaction around here has to do with the fact that there are probably a lot of people out there who aren't really dealing with serious mental health issues, but feign or believe they are sick in order to get attention or drugs.. or like a lot of women who are denying there nature and putting off kids and are un-happy about their lives.

There are people out there who have debilitating mental illness. Just because there are poseurs doesn't mean that all people are making the shit up.

As redpill, we are supposed to be the ones who can understand more clearly or sympathize more than the other side (which tends to only see things through their own emotional state like a baby).

[TravelerKai]

(08-22-2014 09:47 AM)soup Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 09:40 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 11:16 PM)soup Wrote:  

Op has no idea what he's talking about on this subject

Some people really cannot understand mental illnesses for a litany of reasons. I have ADD, yet no one in my family believes it or gives a shit about it. I could not drive a car for years without medicine. It's like I grew up in an Italian mob or something. All of them virtually think mental illness is bullshit and crazy people are just crazy people. They are educated too which is the sad part.

Hell I saw that radioactive shit-pile of topics dismissing ADD/ADHD on RVF, and I wanted to reply to them, but decided it would be like trying to describe a sandy beach with a hot sun to a polar bear that lives in the North Pole. Why bother. There is a reason why the wikipedia page for says it is a controversial issue. Not because the psychologists/psychiatrists don't think it exists, it's because it is not easy to discuss this due to the social issues related to it.

I think the reaction around here has to do with the fact that there are probably a lot of people out there who aren't really dealing with serious mental health issues, but feign or believe they are sick in order to get attention or drugs.. or like a lot of women who are denying there nature and putting off kids and are un-happy about their lives.

There are people out there who have debilitating mental illness. Just because there are poseurs doesn't mean that all people are making the shit up.

As redpill, we are supposed to be the ones who can understand more clearly or sympathize more than the other side (which tends to only see things through their own emotional state like a baby).

Spot on. A real redpill person should always try to have a discerning eye and remain skeptical and objective as possible.

Another common problem is that people get locked in on mental disorders being attributed to intelligence and IQ. In the past people would get shocked if I told them I had ADD, by saying ridiculous shit like, "But you are so intelligent, I would have never thought you had that! Are you sure!?" My family members all like to say dumb shit like, "You should just try harder." Gets to a point now where I honestly do not give a shit what anyone thinks about ADD/ADHD or any mental disorder anymore. The cognitive dissonance is beyond thick and makes it hard for me to not hate them personally. I would rather avoid it and let them figure it out on their own someday or die ignorant.

[The Father]

I've been sad, just like everyone else. I've also been clinically depressed - and didn't know it. I just knew I had no desire to do much of anything, say much of anything. It was a chore to drag myself out of bed.

I've had clinical depression 3 times. The first time was a LONG time ago, before modern meds were available. So I didn't take meds. I just waited it out. For 3-4 months I was miserable, and found no joy in life. Everyday was gloomy. Then one day, I woke up, and the sun was shining and the birds were chirping and I was happy again. I literally remember waking up one day and thinking "hey wait a minute...something feels different...I feel ALIVE again!". My brain chemistry changed back to normal.

My own theory, based on my episodes with depression, is that what sometimes happens is this: You have a real incident that upsets you: Wife leaves you, you lose your job, whatever. And you are major-league upset. If that state persists for a while, your brain chemistry can change. Now here's the really insidious part: Long after you've gotten over the catalyst incident, your brain chemistry is STILL messed up! It may fix itself, as it has for me. Or you may need meds to fix it (I tried that in my third episode with depression; didn't work for me. YMMV). But the thing to understand is, the incident that messed with your state of mind is long gone...but the consequences of the physiological response to that incident linger!

By way of analogy, let's say you got poison ivy on your forearm. What do you do? Scratch, scratch, scratch. Now you've got a nice raw wound on your arm. Now what do you do? Scratch at it, pick at the scab, etc. LONG AFTER the causal incident has passed (you walking through poison ivy), the adverse physiological reaction persists.

The good news is, at least for me, is that it always seems to pass. Years, even decades, can go between incidents. Others may have a more severe case. I guess I'm lucky.

The interesting thing is, unlike sadness, I didn't KNOW I was clinically depressed - I had to be diagnosed. The first two times, I didn't feel "sad" - I was just listless. For example, I normally tend to overeat and if I don't watch myself, I get fat. It has been that way my whole life. I'm really fit now - but only because I eat clean and count calories. My tendency is to want to stuff my face. But once when I was depressed, I stopped eating and lost tons of weight. So not like me. I just lost all desire to do anything pleasurable - including eat.

The first two times I was depressed, I was listless, uninspired. The third and last time, I was anxious. I even told the doctor "I'm NOT depressed - I've been depressed before. This time, I just have panic attacks". He said that "depression and anxiety are related - they aren't really different". He was right - I had all the other signs of depression - couldn't sleep, wouldn't eat, etc.

I'm not droning on about this because I think anyone is interested in my medical history. I'm doing it because I want anyone out there reading this to know they are NOT a freak because they feel this way. Know a few things:

1) It will pass. For almost everybody, it does! It gets better. Don't do anything stupid based on your current mindset - in 6 weeks, your mindset will be different
2) You're not "weak" because you have depression. Likewise, you aren't weak if you are diabetic or break your arm. Your body is malfunctioning, either because of something genetic or as a reaction to an outside stimulus. It doesn't make you less of a man.
3) Go see a doctor. Fuck, women see a doctor 10x more than men - yet men pay the freight for most of the healthcare in this country! If you broke your arm, you'd get it set in a cast. This isn't that much different. Go. Heck, you're paying for it, might as well use it!

(08-21-2014 03:05 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Some people do have "clinical depression", which to me means that their brains are just wired to be unhappy.

Not necessarily. Some people ARE wired to be unhappy - most of us have dated those women But some people are fine UNTIL an incident impacts them. Look, all of us have spent too much time in the sun: Some of us get tan and a little sore, but some of us blister and react REALLY badly. It's the same with this. Some people's wives leave them and they are sad but they get on with it. Some people see their wife, with whom they were happy, and their kids, whom they love, walk out of their life unexpectedly and they literally go to pieces. They were fine until that incident.

[scorpion]

I think that depression (and ADD, and many other modern psychiatric diagnoses) are real, in the sense that they describe a real phenomenon that people suffer from. But on the other hand, I think they are massively overdiagnosed for the benefit of big pharma. I also think that these disorders are much more "nurture" than "nature", and are largely a result of the grossly unnatural way in which most human beings live today (i.e. crammed into cities, waking up to an alarm clock every day, electronic media overdoses, constant stress, shallow relationships, lack of community and spirituality, etc...).

We live extremely unnatural lifestyles compared to our ancestors. It should be no surprise that many people don't adapt well to our modern way of life, and in fact, most of us probably suffer at least low-grade levels of many of these disorders.

[Ensam]

(08-22-2014 04:31 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

We live extremely unnatural lifestyles compared to our ancestors. It should be no surprise that many people don't adapt well to our modern way of life, and in fact, most of us probably suffer at least low-grade levels of many of these disorders.

I've now come around to this view point. Depression is real and serious but that doesn't mean it needs to be medicated. There's increasing research that exercise is as effective at treating depression as psychotherapy or medication.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3674785/

Quote:

In summary, exercise appears to be an effective treatment for depression, improving depressive symptoms to a comparable extent as pharmacotherapy and psychotherapy. Observational studies suggest that active people are less likely to be depressed, and interventional studies suggest that exercise is beneficial in reducing depression. It appears that even modest levels of exercise are associated with improvements in depression, and while most studies to date have focused on aerobic exercise, several studies also have found evidence that resistance training also may be effective. While the optimal “dose” of exercise is unknown, clearly any exercise is better than no exercise. Getting patients to initiate exercise ---and sustain it – is critical.

People tend to think of the mind as only existing above your shoulders but there's now a lot of evidence supporting the idea that a significant amount of your personality exists in the portion of your nervous system below your neck. I think proper exercise, and particularly focused training on a specific sport or skill, is the body equivalent to the kinds of self talk that cognitive behavioral therapy teaches.

[Jackreacher]

Depression is a dis-ease. Yes it falls perfectly into that category. It IS a "self" made condition(albeit unintentionally self induced), I can personally attest to that and it can be extremely debilitating. The main reason is the mind produces the chemicals similar to that of physical pain which explains why medicines like Tylenol, Aleve, Advil have been effective in mitigating some of the angst depression causes. Depression can be one of the worst things to occur in a human beings life, especially in late ages where they can fall to suicide more readily in part because older adults don't have the same emotional/physical fortitude of someone younger nor any awareness or such a malady and when they suddenly experience this disease, drowning in their own emotional suffering almost powerless to do anything they may feel the only way out of the distress is death. For those who haven't experienced this it sounds completely alien, I'm very happy for those who haven't it is not something one should wish on anyone, but thankfully there are ways to eliminate it completely in most cases and without any medication.

[Ziltoid]

Surprised to see nobody has mentioned melancholic vs. atypical depression yet.

Melancholic depression: You don't eat or sleep much. While you likely feel shitty and sad and anxious, more than anything, you just feel nothing. Though a bit zombielike you're usually a pretty functional human being in most regards, but you feel total grayness. You lose interest in hobbies, family, friends. You could win the lottery and not give a fuck or feel any better.

Atypical depression: You overeat and oversleep. You're mentally and physically overcome with negative feelings, and you're not very useful in everyday life. Being around people literally causes you discomfort, your self-esteem is non-existent and you socially withdraw.

Melancholic depression is an actual disease... Something in your brain chemistry is so biologically screwed up that you cannot feel normal. These people probably actually need medication.

Atypical depression is prettymuch known to be a reactive thing... It's situational. Either you had a completely fucked childhood that you haven't overcome or your adult life has not panned out to be fulfilling and engaging. Rather than confront the unpleasant truths and root causes of things, most people would rather just swallow some pills to numb themselves. Since it's situational, if you were to change your situation for the better, your depression would improve or go away. But it's not like your family, friends, or any doctor would ever push you to pursue something beyond your dead end job or to develop game (or for that matter, acknowledge that society is fundamentally sick and fucking you up as a result).

Then we act mystified as to why suicide rates are so high.

[cmrocks]

I definitely think it's real. It's also way over-diagnosed and a lot of people use it as a crutch to be a lazy piece of shit.

I went through a pretty serious bout of depression during my 2nd and 3rd year of university. I don't remember exactly what happened at the time but I just slipped deeper and deeper into a depression. I dropped in weight from 175 lbs to 145 lbs. Near my tipping point, I wouldn't leave my house for days on end. I remember my tipping point as sitting on the floor, below the desk in my room and crying; for no apparent reason. At that point, I called my Mom and we talked about things for a while. She convinced me to go to the walk in clinic at the university health center. I got an appointment to see a psychologist and she made me take some tests and evaluations and sent me home with some stuff to read. I saw her the following week and she put me on a low dose of an SSRI anti-depressant.

The way she explained it, my depression was brought on by a series of traumatic events in my life that happened too quickly and didn't give me time to recover mentally. Within a year, my parents divorced, two girls broke my heart and I was fired from a summer job that I loved. Because I was feeling depressed, I stopped going to the gym and I started eating less and eating poorly; adding to the problem. All that, coupled with not doing well in school and having no direction just beat me down to the point where I could no longer cope.

Getting on medication helped stabilize how I felt after about a month. My psychologist also stressed that I had to start exercise again and improving my diet. She made me keep track of the hours I exercised and what I ate. It took about 3 months until I started feeling good again and probably 6 months until I felt great again. You don't realize how badly you felt until you're out of your depression. I was looking at the world through an entirely different set of eyes.

I remained on medication for about 1.5 years which was probably longer than I needed but I didn't want to risk it and I was on a very low dose by then. I stopped taking medication about 5 years ago now and I've been great ever since. It definitely "cured" the problem that I was having.

With that being said, I have to be careful. If I stop exercising for an extended period of time or let my diet slip or anything like that, it doesn't take long until I start feeling down again. I'm just now able to recognize it and stop it before it becomes an issue. For example, two months ago, I separated my shoulder and was unable to really exercise for a month. I was bored so I started smoking a lot of weed. It didn't take long until I was feeling miserable. I recognized that and snapped out of it. I still wasn't able to do much in the way of exercise but I went on long walks and easy jogs (the bouncing motion of running killed my shoulder) and I also went to the gym to work leg press and abs. Just something to stay active.

In summary, I think depression is very real but I think people bring it on themselves. It's definitely a disorder with a positive feedback loop to it where the symptoms cause you to do things that make the problem worse. For me, regular exercise (I'm talking like 4 hours a week here, nothing excessive), eating healthy and leading an overall balanced life got me out of my depression and have prevented it from returning.

[soup]

(08-22-2014 04:31 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I think that depression (and ADD, and many other modern psychiatric diagnoses) are real, in the sense that they describe a real phenomenon that people suffer from. But on the other hand, I think they are massively overdiagnosed for the benefit of big pharma. I also think that these disorders are much more "nurture" than "nature", and are largely a result of the grossly unnatural way in which most human beings live today (i.e. crammed into cities, waking up to an alarm clock every day, electronic media overdoses, constant stress, shallow relationships, lack of community and spirituality, etc...).

We live extremely unnatural lifestyles compared to our ancestors. It should be no surprise that many people don't adapt well to our modern way of life, and in fact, most of us probably suffer at least low-grade levels of many of these disorders.

Agreed.

There are definitely people out there who are born with real propensity towards depression and it has nothing to do with politics or Feminism or the world not being caveman style or old school.

I'd be interested to know any evo-psych rationales for why depression exists.

[nerdjack80]

I hope the Government is proud of itself.... keep lining your pockets with thousand and thousand of the tax payers money... go ahead... I hope no one in your family gets sick and is turned away. Better yet, kill themselves because there was no help. This world has gone to pot and quite frankly I'm glad I'm on the finally stages of my life rather then just starting out. People everywhere are turning into selfish, incompetent idiots. Good luck everyone... I hope the next decade of people do something drastic to stop the people in power!!!

[el conquistador]

(08-22-2014 06:00 PM)cmrocks Wrote:  

With that being said, I have to be careful. If I stop exercising for an extended period of time or let my diet slip or anything like that, it doesn't take long until I start feeling down again.

I recognized that and snapped out of it. I still wasn't able to do much in the way of exercise but I went on long walks and easy jogs (the bouncing motion of running killed my shoulder) and I also went to the gym to work leg press and abs. Just something to stay active.

For me, regular exercise (I'm talking like 4 hours a week here, nothing excessive), eating healthy and leading an overall balanced life got me out of my depression and have prevented it from returning.

This is right on.

I think there is a big difference between serious chemical imbalances that require medical treatment and people who feel listless due to poor diet, lack of physical activity, loneliness and no exciting projects in their lives that excite them.

I encourage everyone to read the book 'Spark' written by a Havard MD about the effect of exercise on brain chemistry, mood, additions etc.

The masses think that exercise is all about aesthetic changes to the body. Since reading that book I've now view physical activity as vital for regulating mood and emotions.

[RexImperator]

The brain is part of your physical body. It's affected by hormones just like everything else. Exercise and diet are crucial. Sunlight, too.

[BadWolf]

I suppose I look at most people's depression as a scapegoat for why they haven't done anything with their lives... basically its easier to tell people you are depressed than to say you're scared.

Same with Fat people calling out "Thyroid" whenever someone asks why.

It seems there are many new 'diseases' to cover for people's inability to control themselves.

[Phoenix]

Depression diagnosis is a mess. When people are told to drug themselves to fix depression it implies that it is a purely internal, uncontrollable, CNS disorder of unknown origin. That's more often than not, bullshit. I like the new development of 'adjustment disorder', a term used for 'not quite depressed enough to be depressed', so doctors can futher 'medicalize' normal human feelings.

Sure, for some people depression may be the inescapable result of a genetic disorder or permanent internal damage due to an accident etc. But for the most part, depression is caused by lacking a position in life that you believe you should have.

Having a shit life causes depression. Having big holes in your life causes depression. Giving a shit causes depression. Having no idea how to fix things causes depression. Fix your life and 9 times out of 10 you'll fix your depression.

[lowside]

(08-21-2014 09:06 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

Depression is real. Not all depression needs to be treated with medication. Good cognitive behavioral therapy combined with proper diet, exercise and sleep hygiene will probably take care of most cases. Medication is for when someone's life is in danger.

I know from personal experience that depression is very real. I also know it can be cured.

I had a similar situation as below:

(08-22-2014 06:00 PM)cmrocks Wrote:  

I definitely think it's real. It's also way over-diagnosed and a lot of people use it as a crutch to be a lazy piece of shit.

I went through a pretty serious bout of depression during my 2nd and 3rd year of university. I don't remember exactly what happened at the time but I just slipped deeper and deeper into a depression. I dropped in weight from 175 lbs to 145 lbs. Near my tipping point, I wouldn't leave my house for days on end. I remember my tipping point as sitting on the floor, below the desk in my room and crying; for no apparent reason. At that point, I called my Mom and we talked about things for a while. She convinced me to go to the walk in clinic at the university health center. I got an appointment to see a psychologist and she made me take some tests and evaluations and sent me home with some stuff to read. I saw her the following week and she put me on a low dose of an SSRI anti-depressant.

The way she explained it, my depression was brought on by a series of traumatic events in my life that happened too quickly and didn't give me time to recover mentally. Within a year, my parents divorced, two girls broke my heart and I was fired from a summer job that I loved. Because I was feeling depressed, I stopped going to the gym and I started eating less and eating poorly; adding to the problem. All that, coupled with not doing well in school and having no direction just beat me down to the point where I could no longer cope.

Getting on medication helped stabilize how I felt after about a month. My psychologist also stressed that I had to start exercise again and improving my diet. She made me keep track of the hours I exercised and what I ate. It took about 3 months until I started feeling good again and probably 6 months until I felt great again. You don't realize how badly you felt until you're out of your depression. I was looking at the world through an entirely different set of eyes.

I remained on medication for about 1.5 years which was probably longer than I needed but I didn't want to risk it and I was on a very low dose by then. I stopped taking medication about 5 years ago now and I've been great ever since. It definitely "cured" the problem that I was having.

With that being said, I have to be careful. If I stop exercising for an extended period of time or let my diet slip or anything like that, it doesn't take long until I start feeling down again. I'm just now able to recognize it and stop it before it becomes an issue. For example, two months ago, I separated my shoulder and was unable to really exercise for a month. I was bored so I started smoking a lot of weed. It didn't take long until I was feeling miserable. I recognized that and snapped out of it. I still wasn't able to do much in the way of exercise but I went on long walks and easy jogs (the bouncing motion of running killed my shoulder) and I also went to the gym to work leg press and abs. Just something to stay active.

In summary, I think depression is very real but I think people bring it on themselves. It's definitely a disorder with a positive feedback loop to it where the symptoms cause you to do things that make the problem worse. For me, regular exercise (I'm talking like 4 hours a week here, nothing excessive), eating healthy and leading an overall balanced life got me out of my depression and have prevented it from returning.

I actually started living the good life when I got out of my depression. So in a way, I'm glad it happened.

[Fortis]

Depression is definitely real and it can kill you, but I think that our modern society handles depression in the most retarded way possible:

"Let's give people drugs and let them live in the same way that caused the depression in the first place!"

The dialogue only comes to a change in lifestyle (in the form of some sort of trip or change of location) once the depression has gotten so bad that the person can't function in society.

I suffered from depression in my mid-late teens and it lasted until about 23, but then something strange happened: I started eating right and working out.

I made small tweaks to my lifestyle that helped clear up whatever it was that fucked me up in the first place. My early life wasn't bad in any noteworthy way, but I was a chronic under eater. I still struggle to get a good amount of quality calories, but I am 100% sure that working out and eating right changed my mental state from one of depression to one of some degree of normalcy. Obviously, being depressed for almost 10 years has changed me in ways that I am coming to terms with now, but at least I'm not depressed anymore.

I'm not making this shit up, by the way. I was diagnosed with Dysthymia, which is a severe, persistent form of low grade depression. I would just feel off for months at a time. It was brutal.

Anyone who thinks depression isn't real has probably never experienced depression and that's great. But to write it off as unreal is laughable. This isn't an attack on any member, per se, but I think our society has a very intolerant view of the very illnesses it makes possible with its bullshit and hypocrisy.

[Rigsby]

(08-21-2014 12:58 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  

I have a family member who is clinically depressed and apparently suicidal or something... I can tell you his parents used to beat the living sh1t out of him for absolutely nothing. He went to university and 4 years averaging high 90's then quit on his very last course. He went and worked at a factory and then broke up with a girl and for the last 6 years has been on 'disability' for 'depression'.

I have another friend who tells me he also suffers from 'depression' and thats why he can't force himself to get a job.

As far as I'm concerned, he's just wallowing in self pity. Why is it that poor people in 3rd world countries never seemed 'depressed' about their situation.

I can't believe people are burdening our health systems with this made up condition. Yeah your sad, we get that, but the only person that can fix that is you.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/candice-creece...42774.html

It's a real ailment. I wouldn't call it a disease as such.

Your doctor willl not recognize it. Your family will not recognize it. Your friends will not recognize it. Unless it goes in their favour, then they will champion you. If it goes against their grain they will say you are feeling sorry for yourself or won't help yourself..


It is very easy for the mind to get broken these days.

We're on a website promoting game. I respect that. It's why I'm here. But who else gives a fuck? So much shit on the news with the big brainwashing program of turning man against woman. Of turning man on to man! Homosexuality is all the rage, and if you don't like it, you are a big fat smelly homophobe. Yes, that's what you are.


Depression takes about 20 different forms. It is just another word for when the mind stops to work efficiently as it should, in its environment. But seeing as most of us are out of our environment...


Some people have it bad. They need help, not judgement. That comes best from close community contacts. People need to give a fuck.

Unfortunately, these days...

All you can do is look after those close to you, be it family, friends, random people you come into contact with.

I don't know if I answered your question. I tried.

[BadgerHut]

Yes.

[BadgerHut]

It's sort of the cognitive/mental equivalent of the effect of having really sore leg muscles or even a sprained ankle or bad hip. Your gait and mobility are just categorically different when you are healthy. A depressed state brings a reduced level of state control and cognitive ability.