[Hardy Daytona]

To elaborate on the title, I've noticed a dip in my performance at the gym over the last several visits. Difficulty completing the last couple of sets, lack of manifest determination and some lethargy. It's like I'm battling against myself to get the performance I want.
I haven't deviated from my routine though - I'm still attending 3 times a week. But sometimes I do have to force myself.
Concurrently, I caved and fapped about a fortnight ago after a suffering a bad case of approach anxiety at a club. Since then I've been indulging every couple of days, maybe more.
I'm wondering if there's a connection. Could it be symptomatic of a lack of testosterone? Could it be diet-related perhaps? Or am I just lacking in willpower?
I can provide more information if needed.

[TheFinalEpic]

If I jerk off, I've noticed that I get lethargic and actually have to really force myself to go to the gym instead of wanting to go. As with a lot of things: for example at work, I won't make sales calls as frequently if I jerked off recently, I notice a dip in motivation to write and read or study a language, and I don't eat as well.

Could be all mental, but keeping masturbation to a very low frequency seems to make me more focused in and out of the gym, achieve better pumps, and even lift a little more weight.

[The Beast1]

Check your diet. It may be partially related to masturbation but if you replaced your hand with a woman you'd still be in the same position.

[JoyStick]

Quit jacking off and continue your workouts. See if you get beast mode again. You'll answer your own question.

[kinjutsu]

Yeah.
No Fap for a month and see how you feel.
Also eat more red meat and Avocados.

[pitt]

(08-20-2014 11:55 AM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

If I jerk off, I've noticed that I get lethargic and actually have to really force myself to go to the gym instead of wanting to go. As with a lot of things: for example at work, I won't make sales calls as frequently if I jerked off recently, I notice a dip in motivation to write and read or study a language, and I don't eat as well.

Could be all mental, but keeping masturbation to a very low frequency seems to make me more focused in and out of the gym, achieve better pumps, and even lift a little more weight.

It is not mental, it is real. When I masturbate my energy becomes very low, I don't feel like doing anything, that feeling can last 4 or 5 days, reason why I have been trying it to keep it very minimal. Masturbation is even worse than drugs or an alcohol problem, I wish there was a way to completely stop this and I get way more sex than the average person and I still can't stop it, it's crazy. Saying this, I was able to stay 6 months without doing it and I felt a big difference.

[Phoenix]

Yes. I find that when I am not masturbating in the gym my performance is much better.

[HonantheBarbarian]

Guys are going to dispute this forever

My take is that there is a good reason ancient armies forbade their soldiers to sleep with their wives in the weeks before a great battle. These guys have been saying this shit for thousands of years. I'd venture its from personal experience. Their men were more hungry and vicious when they were brimming with testosterone and sexual vitality.

Ancient chinese believe in life energy (chi) and spirit energy (shen). It is like a ladder. Testosterone and other chemicals in your body accumulate and synergize, growing your chi. As a person's chi grows, it gets transmuted into Shen over time.
Sidenote: A tangible, physical sign of healthy shen was believed to be shiny, glinty eyes. Something that in todays world is also recognized as a physical sign of healthy testosterone levels. So maybe it isn't all mumbo jumbo. Its crazy to think they pretty much had this figured out over 2000 years ago.

Ancient indians believed masturbation negatively affects the lower chakras, which are responsible for both the physical and spiritual side of sexual desire.

This many people saying this shit for this long of a time has to have some merit somewhere, just my opinion.

[Giovonny]

An orgasm puts you into a restful state.

A restful state is not the state you want to be in as you workout.

I think it's as simple as that.

Giving up masturbation has been one of the best things I ever did.

[pitt]

(08-20-2014 12:18 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Check your diet. It may be partially related to masturbation but if you replaced your hand with a woman you'd still be in the same position.

This is interesting. I just read this http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-basic...re-a-fight

I think having lots of sex really reduces your body energy, it is not as bad as fapping but I have less energy when I am having lots of sex. I need to figure out a way to complete eliminate fapping and lots of sex.

[Foolsgo1d]

I've jerked it plenty of times before heavy leg days and the like. No performance issues.

[EagleMan]

It's probably mental.

[NY Digital]

For me if I stop fapping/having sex for a bit then I just bottom out and my testosterone isn't at high levels.

It takes a lot of playing around with timings, however I don't think we're all the same. That's to say, I completely agree that fapping will lower your energy levels and make you lethargic. However, I am a believer in getting off at least every 2 days, or even every day if you time it right(i.e.: at nighttime before bed), so in the morning I wake up hornier than before.

See what works best for you. And just do that.

Zinc and other supplements also helps, as well as working out.

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Also, fapping a little and stroking your penis at random points to get yourself excited can help in my opinion. But don't go crazy or get anywhere near
PONR.(point of no return). You're not trying to get blue balls or ejaculating(obviously), but to try and increase your excitement levels.

[Bushido]

There is a correlation between your motivation to go to the gym and not masturbating, but that's about it.

Think about it logically. Abstaining from fapping doesn't suddenly make you stronger or faster. You don't grow new muscles from not fapping. But you do get more aggressive. And that can be a good thing if you are struggling to make it to your gym sessions.

[RexImperator]

Looks like abstaining past seven days is a wasted effort:

http://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments...erone_and/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12659241/

Quote:

"The authors found that the fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak."

[Bill]

I think it depends on how you fap. I think fapping with many stops in between keeps your will power high. Later when you come you still feel strong and have will power. I think concentrating on the process is more important than coming.

For some it´s even important to fap because specially when they are old they might lose sexual drive without fapping. So it depends.

When you do this your gym performance might be even better because fapping makes a connection to your emotional part of you and I think the real power comes from our emotions.

For some it´s of course better not to fap at all if they feel weak after it.

[Hades]

I don't think jerking off has any effect on gym performance.

Scientists do believe that erectile dysfunction is inversely related to frequency of intercourse or masturbation. In that respect, if you go no-fap for gym gains but can't even get your dick up as a result, then that's dedication I can't relate to.

[Checkmat]

A few weeks ago I had a marathon of sex with a couple of different girls and ejaculated 12 times over the course of 4 days.

Hit the gym for my usual session on that last day and my strength was horrible. Felt about 60-70% of my normal strength levels. I just felt drained, lethargic, sleepy and weak as a kitten.

[kaotic]

Simply Put: Sex creates testosterone depletion.

[R Smoov]

Have you watched Wolf of Wall Street?

Fap after you workout. Not the other way around.

[Cattle Rustler]

(08-20-2014 03:20 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

An orgasm puts you into a restful state.

A restful state is not the state you want to be in as you workout.

I think it's as simple as that.

Giving up masturbation has been one of the best things I ever did.

How did you manage to do that?

[UnW]

Masturbating for me makes me demotivated and I feel as if the lifeforce has been sucked out of me. I get lazy, complacent and simply feel worse when it comes to goals and accomplishment of them.

Thinking back now, the happiest and most productive months for me were the ones where I didn't jerk off at all but had a bit less than consistent sex.

[Mongo]

I tend to go in cycles. I can have amazing workouts with minimal masturbation/nut busting in general, but when I went an extended time without blowing a load period, everything in my life was super inconsistent. Generally as long as I am busting a nut 2-3 times a week, I crush all aspects of life. Especially when I am feeling sluggish or down, getting a couple cracks of the stick in gets me back to feeling upbeat and awesome.

[The Reactionary Tree]

Ripper knows of the importance of our precious bodily fluids. Without them we become fatigued and empty on the inside.

[Giovonny]

(08-28-2014 09:56 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 03:20 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Giving up masturbation has been one of the best things I ever did.

How did you manage to do that?

It started with my mindset and attitude.

Masturbation was causing problems in my life!

I was jerking off 2-3 times a day and that caused a little erectile dysfunction, weak erections, and weak orgasms .

I knew that I had to stop. I lost bangs because I couldn't keep an erection. (condoms were also a big part of the problem)

I knew I had to make a change in my life. My new attitude was established.

Then,

I got motivation and inspiration. Mostly from Slubu:

Slubu has not masterbated in over a year!

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I had no other choice, my life was being negatively effected by porn and masturbation.

I was losing the thrill and excitement of real sex with real girls.

I stopped my making myself orgasm. I still touch myself occasionally but I rarely do it til completion. I will stroke it a few times and have a dirty thought but that's all, nothing more.

This has saved my sex life. It was a little scary for a while.

Over exposure to porn can be a real problem!

I'm glad I took this step!

Many thanks to Slubu for the inspiration!