[thedavidgt]

(09-03-2014 04:57 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-28-2014 09:56 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 03:20 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Giving up masturbation has been one of the best things I ever did.

How did you manage to do that?

It started with my mindset and attitude.

Masturbation was causing problems in my life!

I was jerking off 2-3 times a day and that caused a little erectile dysfunction, weak erections, and weak orgasms .

I knew that I had to stop. I lost bangs because I couldn't keep an erection. (condoms were also a big part of the problem)

I knew I had to make a change in my life. My new attitude was established.

Then,

I got motivation and inspiration. Mostly from Slubu:

Slubu has not masterbated in over a year!

---

I had no other choice, my life was being negatively effected by porn and masturbation.

I was losing the thrill and excitement of real sex with real girls.

I stopped my making myself orgasm. I still touch myself occasionally but I rarely do it til completion. I will stroke it a few times and have a dirty thought but that's all, nothing more.

This has saved my sex life. It was a little scary for a while.

Over exposure to porn can be a real problem!

I'm glad I took this step!

Many thanks to Slubu for the inspiration!

Gio, how often do you bang on average in a week? How many times in total do you bust a nut?

I was wondering because this detail is usually omitted when people write about their extended no masturbation/porn stints.

[Giovonny]

(09-03-2014 08:44 PM)thedavidgt Wrote:  

Gio, how often do you bang on average in a week? How many times in total do you bust a nut?

I was wondering because this detail is usually omitted when people write about their extended no masturbation/porn stints.

I used to masturbate everyday. When I first got exposed to porn, I increased to at least twice a day and sometimes more.

My sex life suffered. I knew I had to stop.

Now, I try to only orgasm when I'm with a girl.

I rarely masturbate. (I might stroke it a few times but I wont cum)

NOT cumming is actually a very important part of my sex life now! If I jerk off, I am hurting my sex life.

[The Reactionary Tree]

(09-04-2014 12:34 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 08:44 PM)thedavidgt Wrote:  

Gio, how often do you bang on average in a week? How many times in total do you bust a nut?

I was wondering because this detail is usually omitted when people write about their extended no masturbation/porn stints.

I used to masturbate everyday. When I first got exposed to porn, I increased to at least twice a day and sometimes more.

My sex life suffered. I knew I had to stop.

Now, I try to only orgasm when I'm with a girl.

I rarely masturbate. (I might stroke it a few times but I wont cum)

NOT cumming is actually a very important part of my sex life now! If I jerk off, I am hurting my sex life.

Not beating off is hard. I have been doing the nofap thing and each time I last a little bit longer. Now I go a few weeks at a time without having to masturbate. chronic masturbation does hurt your sex life a lot and so does porn. you dont realize it. when I had a gf, I would only having sex like once a week bc I was pretty uninterested. then once I stopped, I met up with a girl for drinks and afterwards fucked her twice in a row. your sex becomes more primal and animalistic. you are rougher and chicks love that shit.

also, it helps me in the gym. I have more motivation to go to the gym and I push myself harder to do things. after beating off, I feel sluggish and lazy.

one tip I highly recommend is combine it with ice cold showers. when you have the urge to furiously beat off, hop in a cold shower for 5-10 minutes. it will help.

[Nascimento]

I'm not sure where I stand on this nofap thing..

I've experimented with it before. Went close to 3 months at most once. I noticed some interesting game results during that time..

Now I can go a week or so if I really wanted to, but besides it being really difficult, I'm not sure whether it's worth it. Especially since I don't have a regular girl at the moment. I don't want to rely or pedestalize a girl for an orgasm.

The most important thing is not to be doing it daily, or if you look at porn, to cut the latter off entirely (at the very least greatly minimize it) if you can. There was a time long ago where that shit was really frequent for me, and correlated was also social anxiety I used to have and some other issues.

[Hannibal]

I get off at least 3 times a day. No effect on gym performance as far as I can tell. You're probably not eating enough fat and protein, or getting enough quality sleep.

This is from yourbrainonporn.com

Quote:

Testosterone levels do not decline from ejaculation or “too much masturbation”.
This seems to be a myth with absolutely no scientific support. However, there's evidence that ejaculation to the point of sexual satiation triggers multiple brain changes - including a decline in androgen receptors. and increases in estrogen receptors and dopamine-blocking opioids in several brain regions. Full recovery takes about 15 days and is quite apart from addiction-related brain changes. More below.

There is no consistent correlation between sexual activity, or abstinence, and plasma testosterone levels

– other than a one-day transient spike (46% above baseline) following seven days of abstinence. Wide fluctuations in male testosterone levels (10-40%) are normal.

There is no evidence for abstinence raising testosterone levels.

Only two studies have measured T levels during a long-term abstinence - and both found no change:
The "famous" Chinese study measured T levels every day for 16 days, and found little increase until day 6 - and a return to baseline (slightly below) from day 8 through day 16 when the experiment ended.
The study in #4
This abstract - Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence, where subjects didn't ejaculate for 3 weeks, is often cited as evidence that abstinence leads to increased testosterone. It doesn't. This sentence from the abstract is poorly worded and misleading: "although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence". In the full study, testosterone levels are the same in both groups. Examine the testosterone graph C on page 379. Notice testosterone levels at the start of the film (10-minute mark) were identical in both groups. End of story. The confusing language in the abstract refers to testosterone differences while masturbating. While watching the erotic film and masturbating, T-levels dropped for the pre-abstinence masturbation session. After 21 days of abstinence, T-levels stayed closer to the 10 minute baseline during masturbation. The statement - "higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence" - means that testosterone levels did not fall as much during the stimulus: masturbation & porn viewing. The authors suggest anticipation of watching a porno (perhaps augmented by the anticipation of finally masturbating) caused testosterone to remain elevated throughout the viewing.

Rodent studies consistently find that ejaculation to "sexual exhaustion" has no effect on testosterone levels.

These studies follow the animals for up to 15 days. However, they do find multiple changes within the limbic system, including a decline in androgen receptors, and increase in estrogen receptors & opioids (which block dopamine), and alterations in gene expression.

Long-term studies on primates have shown no reliable correlation between ejaculation and blood testosterone levels.

The authors of this study and this study suggest that abstinence may lead to chronically lower testosterone levels

Viewing porn has little or no effect on testosterone or other hormones. See: The endocrine effects of visual erotic stimuli in normal men.

Many men with porn-induced erectile dysfunction have seen doctors and had blood tests. Virtually all have reported normal testosterone levels.

Many human and animal studies show that low testosterone has no effect on erections achieved through stimulation. See this discussion by a professor of reproductive endocrinology - Hypogonadal men and erections

All evidence points to addiction processes in the brain as the primary cause of porn-induced ED, porn-induced loss of libido, or so called “sexual exhaustion”.

Some men with porn-induced ED have tried testosterone supplementation, with no success. When these same men rebooted, their ED was cured.
Reward circuitry dopamine is behind sexual desire, motivation, and erections.
In short, the many improvements guys see in libido and confidence as they reboot are probably coming from changes in their brains, not their testosterone levels.
Men experience myriad benefits as they unhook from porn and compulsive masturbation. It's natural to assume positive changes such as more confidence, better mood, less anxiety, and greater motivation must have something to do with blood testosterone levels. Not so. While it’s possible that unidentified circulating hormones could be altered by excessive masturbation or porn addiction, testosterone levels are not affected.

I bolded some of the more important parts in case no one wants to read the wall of text. There is no real effect on testosterone levels apart from not masturbating after 6 days as far as abstinence is concerned, and the spike in testosterone is only temporary. In fact, long term abstinence may lower testosterone in the long run. Compulsive masturbation does not affect testosterone levels, but exposure to porn over a long period of time is likely to give you ED.

The takeaway message here is to stop watching porn.

edit: Here's the link in case anyone's curious.

http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/book/export/html/148

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

I definitely noticed a decrease in my overall drive after I cum. If you know you're going to hit the weights later then lay off the fap. Getting a pump is as good as cumming anyway...

Also, lay off the porn. Fapping is ok but you should paleobate. No porn.

[Giovonny]

(09-09-2014 04:28 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

I'm not sure where I stand on this nofap thing..

I don't think young guys need to worry about jerking off too much. When I was in my teens and 20s, I jerked off everyday and still had plenty of energy for weights, sports, girls, and everything else. My erections were strong and I got hard when the wind blew.

NOT jerking off made me restless and tense.

Young guys shouldn't worry unless they have a porn or masturbation addiction. Signs of addiction are inability to get hard in real life, weak erections, jerking off so much that you run out of cum yet continue to do it, work problems, inability to focus, uncontrollable urges, etc.

Other than that, young guys shouldn't worry.

Once or twice a day, every other day, or every few days is no big deal. It's normal and healthy.

***

My problems came after 15-20 years of jerking off.

It's a cumulative effect.

Age changes a man. The novelty of sex begins to wear off, we get desensitized to many things that used to excite us, our standards often get raised, porn spoils us, etc.

I was jerking off so much that it had a negative effect on my sex life.

The problems didn't start until around age 34 or 35.

I had to give up porn and masturbation except on rare occasions.

Again, I think this is problem for older guys and not for young guys.

Young guys can generally cum all day and have plenty of power left for the rest of their day.

I used to jerk off before sex just to last longer. Now, if I jerk off before sex I run the risk of a weak erection.

[HankRearden]

I jerked off today for the first time in a while, to porn, and had the worst workout session I can remember in the past 10 weeks.

Literally awful.

[The Reactionary Tree]

(09-10-2014 05:33 PM)HankRearden Wrote:  

I jerked off today for the first time in a while, to porn, and had the worst workout session I can remember in the past 10 weeks.

Literally awful.

See! Our precious bodily fluids are the source of our strength and motivation!

[MikeS]

I see absolutely no obvious differences in overall energy, strength etc. related to whether I haven't masturbated for a couple of days before (I'm not doing the NoFab thing, although I'm considering trying it as my libido - but again, not overall energy - does drop in periods where I masturbate every day) or masturbated once or twice just before going to the gym.

In either scenario I could have an average day at the gym, one where I feel particularly strong and endurant, or one of the fairly rare ones where I'm a bit low on energy.

For reference I'm 37 - been working out regularly most of the time for the last 22 years - and not on any kind of testosterone supplements.

[The Reactionary Tree]

Quote:

Young guys shouldn't worry unless they have a porn or masturbation addiction. Signs of addiction are inability to get hard in real life, weak erections, jerking off so much that you run out of cum yet continue to do it, work problems, inability to focus, uncontrollable urges, etc.

Actually, if you watch one of those TED talks on Porn (there's actually a handful of them), they say younger guys have it worse than older guys. The reason is the existence of high speed internet and tube sites. When we were young & jackin it, it was probably on dial up or old school DSL which wasnt that fast either. Kids these days are growing up with high speed internet with HD porn right on tube sites with several pages open at a time. They become hyperstimulated and grow accustomed to it during their years of development. There's an epidemic of young men in their early 20s with ED due to porn addiction. They cant get it up for real women. It takes younger men longer to recover from porn addiction than older men.

[ColSpanker]

(09-10-2014 08:08 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

Quote:

Young guys shouldn't worry unless they have a porn or masturbation addiction. Signs of addiction are inability to get hard in real life, weak erections, jerking off so much that you run out of cum yet continue to do it, work problems, inability to focus, uncontrollable urges, etc.

Actually, if you watch one of those TED talks on Porn (there's actually a handful of them), they say younger guys have it worse than older guys. The reason is the existence of high speed internet and tube sites. When we were young & jackin it, it was probably on dial up or old school DSL which wasnt that fast either. Kids these days are growing up with high speed internet with HD porn right on tube sites with several pages open at a time. They become hyperstimulated and grow accustomed to it during their years of development. There's an epidemic of young men in their early 20s with ED due to porn addiction. They cant get it up for real women. It takes younger men longer to recover from porn addiction than older men.

I am from the age where you had to get your pr<0>n at the drugstore from the paperback rack. Sheeet, the damn place didn't even carry Playboy; you might see one of those every other month. But I lived in a remote Midwestern suburb. The daily newspaper with all it's ads for adult cinemas used to have me drooling as a teenager.

[Billy Chubbs]

I have found that no fapping for 6 days and emptying the valve on the 7th helps improve my energy. I'm not getting massive gains on my lifts, but I feel less burnt out after each one.

Recently a few smoking hot legit girl lifters have been hanging around my gym. I'm dead lifting with half a chub some days, just waiting for the inevitable catch and snap.

[BadgerHut]

The idea I get from this thread is that each dude has to figure out how his body and mind respond to particular fap patterns, and then have discipline to follow through with what's optimal - just like a workout routine.

FWIW I seem to work differently than most guys here. I find that if I am not fapping regularly that my overall drive is reduced. But I think the causation is that my drive and libido are low, which reflects feeling shitty. However I find that forcing myself into a good fap (am I kraping myself?) tends to restore some edge.

[BadgerHut]

(09-15-2014 10:01 PM)Billy Chubbs Wrote:  

Recently a few smoking hot legit girl lifters have been hanging around my gym. I'm dead lifting with half a chub some days, just waiting for the inevitable catch and snap.

Well then it's fitting that your name is Billy Chubbs and your member level is Chubby Chaser.

[Cattle Rustler]

[quote='The Reactionary Tree' pid='827566' dateline='1410397717']

Quote:

There's an epidemic of young men in their early 20s with ED due to porn addiction. They cant get it up for real women. It takes younger men longer to recover from porn addiction than older men.

Yup, wanking your willy too much and imagining those 10s in your head make it difficult to get it hard for a 7. Pussy juice always helps but even then.....it's difficult.

No fap solves that.

[JayMillz]

There is a correlation between getting real pussy and gym performance because fucking increases testosterone levels

[Fortis]

Yes and no. I do feel kinda out of it when I whack off. But I don't find that it affects my gym performance. but I go to a gym that is next door to work, so I always go no matter what.

[Hardy Daytona]

(08-20-2014 12:40 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Quit jacking off and continue your workouts. See if you get beast mode again. You'll answer your own question.

You're right.
I'm 10 days into my latest battle with no fap (one that doesn't show any signs of getting easier) and I noticed a real improvement in my performance yesterday.
I was powering through my shoulder presses so well that I even added an extra set with an additional 5kg on top and set a new personal best for leg presses.
That answers that question.

[youngblazer]

Treat jerking off as a reward for going to the gym.

So on days when you lift, you can crank it before bedtime. If you skip the gym, no spanky for you.

Chances are, you're gonna get ripped.

[Hardy Daytona]

Dammit I folded again.
13 days and I fell at the final hurdle before bed.

Today's session was horrible. My rest periods were longer, my energy levels were low and I was forcing myself through some of my sets.

I need to find out if it's possible to establish some kind of equilibrium.
A way to balance my faps so that I've got enough energy for workouts and desire for approaching but not so much that I spend most of my time consciously trying not to rip my cock off.