[Dalaran1991]

(08-07-2014 03:13 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 02:57 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 08:22 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

The single most effective way I have found to avoid fights is to avoid bars and anywhere where tons of people get too drunk.

Most casual fights start that way.

Your other worry is being jumped by people who want to rob you. In that case, they are usually in groups, so your best defense is probably a quick 1-mile sprint.

This is why I advise studying a traditional system with a good sensei over MMA any day.

The MMA crowd got way too much hype over it and tend to make people into aggressive hot headed dickhead who is always looking for a fight, or does not know how to defuse tension when possible.

This seems like an exaggeration.

I can totally understand why someone would want to try a martial art like karate, kung fu, etc.

But it's 100% up to the individual whether they seek out fights on their own in public.

Taking BJJ, Boxing, or MMA classes part time isn't going to automatically make you egotistical or aggressive towards strangers, those reactions come from your underlying personality, not the training itself.

I agree. But MMA tends to draw in those people. We have a lot of dickheads in Aikido too but they usually burn out very fast.

[nek]

Those same dickheads burn out in MMA just as fast. I'm reading Jack Donovan's book "the way of men" right now. Here's some of the passages that I highlighted:

" Your role at the bloody edges of the boundary between us and them supersedes any role you have within the protected spaces"

"When men evaluate each other as men, they still look for the same virtues that they'd need to keep the perimeter.

Truth be told, women evaluate men this way too. On MikeCF's "About Me" section, read his point about dinner with Mark Zuckerberg, that reflects this point as well. Go for training to fight, go for MMA. The tough route is usually the right one. What would Genghis Khan do? (I think I'm gonna start asking this question in situations myself).

[Suits]

I switched from judo to swing when I realized that martial arts training wasn't helping me meet women above a 4.

[txtraveler]

(08-06-2014 11:58 PM)edtf Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 11:20 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

Which martial arts and dancing are available to you?

I have Taekwondo, MMA, wingchun, and brazilian jiu jitsu

BJJ
You'll won't regret it

[oldblueeyes]

Women love dancing. They don't give a shit if you're a killer; that's a man thing.
Fuck, after I took my (X)wife to see "Shall We Dance" I never fucking heard the
end of it: "Let's learn ballroom dancing!"
Let's fuck off.

[Dalaran1991]

Be careful about gaming women in dance. As is expected of a community where the girls like to feel sexual and are generally pretty, things are tough. Attention whoring is through the roof. Girls attitude is a big problem since the pretty ones can pick and choose who they dance with. And dating is a wild goose chase. That said there are quite a few players in that part too, but they tend to move around a lot bc reputation in the dance scene is a real thing.

[edtf]

(08-07-2014 12:08 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Which 4?

There is a thread about which 4 languages you would learn.

I speak english, chinese, japanese, and korean. But right now I'm in a pretty white state, so the ROI on any language, even spanish, is pretty low.

[BodiPUA]

Don't join a class to meet women. I've learned this the hard way. If you want to meet women then go meet women: bargame, daygame, something like that. Only do a class if you genuinely want to learn that skill. Otherwise you'll feel a real loss of control, going weeks and weeks hoping more potential targets turn up, having to try and work leads over weeks and weeks of classes, occasionally getting really pissed off with the class itself in a warped way for failing to provide you with enough chicks.
Fuck that. Go do martial arts and spend time with men doing something manly. You'll make friends and have good fun and become much more confident and manly in the process. Having male friends and being manly is more important to your life than having a few minutes of conversation a week with a few HB6/HB7's and grudgingly learning to dance.

[reaper23]

interestingly:

the better you get at dancing, the more you'll use it.

the better you get at fighting, the less you'll use it.

i've trained MA for ten years, had nice amateur fighting career. never once even gotten close to a real fight after i was proficient, much less when i had become a true fighter. two reasons 1) people can see the look in your eye that you're not bothered and 2) i realize to a greater degree how absolutely worthless any physical confrontation is in public. i'll calm situations down like i'm a total pussy just to avoid any conflict. even though i could take 99% of the population.

all this being said, train MA. its a life long thing.

you can learn basics of dancing in a week.

[HarryBajwa]

I would like to go with martial arts because it helps you to save your and others life in any problem.

[cmrocks]

I went through this same debate with myself except between hot yoga and fighting. In high school, I trained MMA for four years and a very good club that has produced three UFC fighters. I thought I missed it. Last winter, I joined an MMA club in my new city and trained there for a couple months. It just wasn't for me any more. Maybe another martial art would have been better but MMA leaves your body just wrecked.

I know a lot of people on here go on and on about training a martial art. Is it really necessary in this day and age? Beating some guy down with advanced knowledge of a martial art is a sure-fire way to land yourself in jail or with a $100,000 lawsuit on your hands. Where would you even run into these encounters where you need to defend yourself? A nightclub? I'm too old for that sort of thing now. A random mugging? Not likely to happen but the mugger is probably going to have a knife or gun anyway. If you want to train a martial art for fitness and fun, go for it. If you're training for self defence, I think you're giving yourself a false sense of security.

I ended up joining hot yoga for the winter. It was great. I always felt "healed" after each class. My stress level was way down, my flexibility was going up, it does help with strength in some ways. It's a very good compliment to heavy resistance training. I would always do the 730 PM class and I had some of my best squat workouts ever the morning after a hot yoga class. Not to mention, the classes are always stacked with good looking girls. You can't talk during the class though so you have to do your approaches before and after. It's not an issue though because there's usually a group of people standing around, chatting and waiting for the room to open.

[BadWolf]

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I need to start doing 1 mile sprints.

If you learn how to dance and practice quite often, you won't need to do any OTHER cardio to stay in shape.

Someone else posted that you need 3 years to look good? I don't think, I train people to come out to clubs with me and I can have them looking 100% better in about 12 hours. It really depends on how much time they are willing to devote to it. If you have someone to show you the moonwalk and spend a couple hours on it with you then it will save you DAYS of trying to figure it out for yourself. This is where having a teacher around is really important.

Nobody taught me how to dance, for the most part I had to teach myself and pick up little tips here and there when I could
You can buy a couple of videos from a bookstore to start or order some online if you like. I'd recommend starting with Mr. Wiggles and popping, its the easiest to learn and the most impressive on the dance floor.

Dispense with all the martial arts junk, I would honestly never use it again unless I were crossing into the dangerzone of the 3rd world. It's really unnecessary and using it against someone might result in you having multiple boyfriends forever behind bars as others have stated.

[Merenguero]

(08-20-2014 05:01 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

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I need to start doing 1 mile sprints.

If you learn how to dance and practice quite often, you won't need to do any OTHER cardio to stay in shape.

Someone else posted that you need 3 years to look good? I don't think, I train people to come out to clubs with me and I can have them looking 100% better in about 12 hours. It really depends on how much time they are willing to devote to it. If you have someone to show you the moonwalk and spend a couple hours on it with you then it will save you DAYS of trying to figure it out for yourself. This is where having a teacher around is really important.

Nobody taught me how to dance, for the most part I had to teach myself and pick up little tips here and there when I could
You can buy a couple of videos from a bookstore to start or order some online if you like. I'd recommend starting with Mr. Wiggles and popping, its the easiest to learn and the most impressive on the dance floor.

Dispense with all the martial arts junk, I would honestly never use it again unless I were crossing into the dangerzone of the 3rd world. It's really unnecessary and using it against someone might result in you having multiple boyfriends forever behind bars as others have stated.

The two things you need to be able to dance well are rhythm and coordination. If you have these two things and you practice enough, you can become a good dancer in about a month. If that is the case, you can switch to martial arts quickly after taking some dance classes. My rhythm is excellent, but my coordination is pretty average. As such, I'm better than the vast majority of the people you see dancing in the clubs, but I could be considerably better if I had better coordination. Regardless of how your rhythm and coordination are, I think you'll pick up dancing much faster than you'll pick up a martial art.

[Dalaran1991]

Funny enough, martial art teaches me humility while dancing teaches me fearlessness.

I lost count of how many times I go to a new dojo and train with people who look like they could fall over if you blow a fan at them, or have belly sticking out to the ground. Then those same people proceded to knock black belts silly, or turns out to be my sensei's master.

Probably why the MA masters are usually very humble, bc they know if you get into a fight you never know if the fat guy is actually an ex-boxing champion. I was very hot headed going in but now Im just cool and calm.

Dance on the other hand, actually teaches you to be the man, and I dont mean the technicality. Its the social dynamics of dance.

If you want to dance you need to have the guts to invite girls and that can be quite nerve racking since they dress up and are usually very pretty in Paris. Its the same thing as approaching a hot girl in club except you might or might not trying to bang her.

Then in order to dance well you have to lead well and very decisively. If you make a mistake dont sweat it, get back on your rhythm. You gotta have the energy and confidence. Im nowhere near the best dancers but very advanced girls say they love to dance with me bc Im confident and my lead is very clear. Sometimes I just got excited and do fun stuff even though they are not dance moves and the girls love it.

You really should get the best of both worlds.