[MichaelCorleone]

http://www.businessinsider.com/airbnb-ho...ave-2014-7

I did a search and hopefully this isn't a repost.

[Vicious]

Two major take away from this.

1) IRT in the wild. It's funny how some stereotypes have a tendency to play themselves out in real life. Again and again. TUTH, this calls for a meme.

2) Admirable but squeamish female reaction. If this was me I'd call a couple of guys who in turn would have a couple of guys that ride hogs and wear vests up in the apartment STAT to violently throw him to the curb. What's he going to do?

[Sp5]

(07-21-2014 01:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Two major take away from this.

1) IRT in the wild. It's funny how some stereotypes have a tendency to play themselves out in real life. Again and again. TUTH, this calls for a meme.

2) Admirable but squeamish female reaction. If this was me I'd call a couple of guys who in turn would have a couple of guys that ride hogs and wear vests up in the apartment STAT to violently throw him to the curb. What's he going to do?

Something like that, I'd have a talk with the guy in private.

With a big guy with a big (legally licensed) gun stuck in his waistband standing behind me.

This type is the worst kind of scum and every landlord eventually meets one.

[polymath]

I'd just go full-speed on the legal process. I would evict the guy without breaking the law, then sue him for back rent and legal fees. Even if he doesn't pay, his credit will be fucked. I would never rent property to someone for a whole month without first (A) drafting the rental contract with a lawyer and (B) doing a background check.

Then, I would sue AirBNB for not making the eviction process clear to you and exposing you to unstated financial liability, legal expense, and the prolonged presence of a hostile stranger on your property.

[bacon]

Couldnt she just wait til he leaves the apartment then have the locks changed.

Quote:

He apparently responded with a threat of his own (at right). "It almost sounded like blackmail. He threatened to sue me, saying his brother was there and got an ulcer to due to the tap water. He said he was legally occupying my domicile and he has rights"

[PapayaTapper]

It's CA so anything longer than 30 days falls into tenants rights and technically your are supposed to follow the eviction process but...

My business partner has a vacation rental business on the side. When the market crashed in 08-09 we got stuck with a couple of high end spec homes we had been building in a Socal beach community . He stumbled on the idea of turning them into vacation rentals in order to cover the monthly nut until the market turned around, and lo and behold it worked.

When word got out of what he was doing,...well to make a long story short he now manages about 30 properties for people that were stuck the same way and it's turned into a profitable little side business....It's a pain in the ass but it's profitable. Some of them rent for $7000-$10000 per week during peak season and he charges 20-25% commission on the rental.

On three different occasions he's had someone try and pull this same type of shenanigans. The trick is that in CA POSSESSION determines OCCUPANCY.

So what we've done (he's my friend as well as partner in another business) twice is when the squatter is out of the house we go into the house. (The third one was a chick who answered the door and let us in. We told her we'd wait while she went to the bank to get a cashiers check for additional rent. Once she left the house it was "fuck you") We immediately call a locksmith to change the locks, have a couple laborers load the squatter scumbags shit in plastic bags onto a U haul truck and take it to a storage space. (Vacation rentals are fully furnished so the renters only bring personal items, clothes, small electronics, etc). We now have possession of the property. At that point if the scumbag comes back (happened once) we called the cops, explained what happened (with copy of title or management contract in hand), the cop then tells the squatter scumbag... "It's a civil matter, Hire an attorney".... Tables fucking turned motherfucker!

Once all the scumbag's possessions are out of the property he calls them and tells them what we've done and where to pick up their shit. We've prepaid the storage space for 30 days and put a combo lock on it.

The police report also serves to establish that the squatter has no right to enter property without permission and would now be trespassing. They don't have the money to hire an attorney (which is why they are squatting anyway) One of us (or someone we know) stays in the property at all times for the next 48-72 hours to maintain possession. As of yet we've never had one come back though.

Yes it's a pain in the ass, ruins a day, and it costs a few hundred bucks for the locksmith, the laborers and the storage unit but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring an eviction attorney, not to mention the hassles and lost rental revenue.

[El Chinito loco]

(07-21-2014 09:03 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Yes it's a pain in the ass, ruins a day, and it costs a few hundred bucks for the locksmith, the laborers and the storage unit but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring an eviction attorney, not to mention the hassles and lost rental revenue.

I used to rent out my property and would be highly selective of who I would rent out to. You won't find these squatter issues or ghetto behavior with NE asian tenants which was my primary demographic.

To save money on a locksmith you can also buy locks that can be rekeyed instantly to a different key. This is way faster and you can do it in a few minutes while the person is away. It will buy you some time while you replace the deadbolt.

http://www.lockwiki.com/index.html/Kwikset_SmartKey

I would always rekey my locks everytime a tenant finishes their contract then replace the deadbolt with a spare set. If you have more than one property you can just cycle deadbolts around to save money. So if property #A has a shithead you can just swap the deadbolt with property #B then reset the locks on the door knob.

It's possible to buy a tool to screw around with the smart key system but you can also report them for breaking and entering.

[DarkTriad]

(07-21-2014 09:03 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

It's CA so anything longer than 30 days falls into tenants rights and technically your are supposed to follow the eviction process but...

My business partner has a vacation rental business on the side. When the market crashed in 08-09 we got stuck with a couple of high end spec homes we had been building in a Socal beach community . He stumbled on the idea of turning them into vacation rentals in order to cover the monthly nut until the market turned around, and lo and behold it worked.

When word got out of what he was doing,...well to make a long story short he now manages about 30 properties for people that were stuck the same way and it's turned into a profitable little side business....It's a pain in the ass but it's profitable. Some of them rent for $7000-$10000 per week during peak season and he charges 20-25% commission on the rental.

On three different occasions he's had someone try and pull this same type of shenanigans. The trick is that in CA POSSESSION determines OCCUPANCY.

So what we've done (he's my friend as well as partner in another business) twice is when the squatter is out of the house we go into the house. (The third one was a chick who answered the door and let us in. We told her we'd wait while she went to the bank to get a cashiers check for additional rent. Once she left the house it was "fuck you") We immediately call a locksmith to change the locks, have a couple laborers load the squatter scumbags shit in plastic bags onto a U haul truck and take it to a storage space. (Vacation rentals are fully furnished so the renters only bring personal items, clothes, small electronics, etc). We now have possession of the property. At that point if the scumbag comes back (happened once) we called the cops, explained what happened (with copy of title or management contract in hand), the cop then tells the squatter scumbag... "It's a civil matter, Hire an attorney".... Tables fucking turned motherfucker!

Once all the scumbag's possessions are out of the property he calls them and tells them what we've done and where to pick up their shit. We've prepaid the storage space for 30 days and put a combo lock on it.

The police report also serves to establish that the squatter has no right to enter property without permission and would now be trespassing. They don't have the money to hire an attorney (which is why they are squatting anyway) One of us (or someone we know) stays in the property at all times for the next 48-72 hours to maintain possession. As of yet we've never had one come back though.

Yes it's a pain in the ass, ruins a day, and it costs a few hundred bucks for the locksmith, the laborers and the storage unit but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring an eviction attorney, not to mention the hassles and lost rental revenue.

Have dealt with this issue a lot, best solution by far.

[Renberg]

[Switch]

Wouldn't the easiest solution to the key/lock issue be to have an electronic lock that uses a PIN to unlock the door? Then you just punch in a passcode, change the PIN, move their belongings outside of the apartment and tape a paper to the door saying "Fuck you asshole" and you're on your way.

[PapayaTapper]

(07-21-2014 10:12 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:03 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Yes it's a pain in the ass, ruins a day, and it costs a few hundred bucks for the locksmith, the laborers and the storage unit but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring an eviction attorney, not to mention the hassles and lost rental revenue.

I used to rent out my property and would be highly selective of who I would rent out to. You won't find these squatter issues or ghetto behavior with NE asian tenants which was my primary demographic.

To save money on a locksmith you can also buy locks that can be rekeyed instantly to a different key. This is way faster and you can do it in a few minutes while the person is away. It will buy you some time while you replace the deadbolt.

http://www.lockwiki.com/index.html/Kwikset_SmartKey

I would always rekey my locks everytime a tenant finishes their contract then replace the deadbolt with a spare set. If you have more than one property you can just cycle deadbolts around to save money. So if property #A has a shithead you can just swap the deadbolt with property #B then reset the locks on the door knob.

It's possible to buy a tool to screw around with the smart key system but you can also report them for breaking and entering.

Most of the properties my partner manages are in Corona del Mar CA (Newport Beach) Some of them are multi million dollar ocean front front properties so we never anticipated the level "scumitude" Who knew?

But yes youre right. He actually now requires the property owner install the remotely programmable locks as part of the management agreement. That definitely makes the "lock out" easier since you can do it remotely online. Theyre expensive but worth it!

[bojangles]

Surely it's the law thats the problem here

[WalterBlack]

(07-21-2014 01:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Two major take away from this.

1) IRT in the wild. It's funny how some stereotypes have a tendency to play themselves out in real life. Again and again. TUTH, this calls for a meme.

2) Admirable but squeamish female reaction. If this was me I'd call a couple of guys who in turn would have a couple of guys that ride hogs and wear vests up in the apartment STAT to violently throw him to the curb. What's he going to do?

How do you know he's Indian? Maksym is not an Indian name.

[Goldmund]

Ha, read the title to this thread and thought there was going to be some facial action.

I just hosed my airbnb host two days ago...hosed all over her back.

[Jaydublin]

(07-22-2014 12:27 AM)Switch Wrote:  

Wouldn't the easiest solution to the key/lock issue be to have an electronic lock that uses a PIN to unlock the door? Then you just punch in a passcode, change the PIN, move their belongings outside of the apartment and tape a paper to the door saying "Fuck you asshole" and you're on your way.

I'm not sure but I think the issue is that they legally have the right to squat. There was that guy who got deployed then came home and had a family living in his home and they would not leave.... not sure what ever happened with that.

[PapayaTapper]

(07-22-2014 08:50 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 12:27 AM)Switch Wrote:  

Wouldn't the easiest solution to the key/lock issue be to have an electronic lock that uses a PIN to unlock the door? Then you just punch in a passcode, change the PIN, move their belongings outside of the apartment and tape a paper to the door saying "Fuck you asshole" and you're on your way.

I'm not sure but I think the issue is that they legally have the right to squat. There was that guy who got deployed then came home and had a family living in his home and they would not leave.... not sure what ever happened with that.

Every state is different when it comes to tenants' rights. CA is definitely tenant friendly which is where the story above occurred. But NOWHERE do you have the "legal right to squat".

It's much easier to get rid of tenant that just decides to stay after their contract expires IF it's a short term rental (29 days or less) because they don't have the same legal protection. Just like a hotel you can lock their ass out.

[polymath]

(07-21-2014 09:03 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

It's CA so anything longer than 30 days falls into tenants rights and technically your are supposed to follow the eviction process but...

My business partner has a vacation rental business on the side. When the market crashed in 08-09 we got stuck with a couple of high end spec homes we had been building in a Socal beach community . He stumbled on the idea of turning them into vacation rentals in order to cover the monthly nut until the market turned around, and lo and behold it worked.

When word got out of what he was doing,...well to make a long story short he now manages about 30 properties for people that were stuck the same way and it's turned into a profitable little side business....It's a pain in the ass but it's profitable. Some of them rent for $7000-$10000 per week during peak season and he charges 20-25% commission on the rental.

On three different occasions he's had someone try and pull this same type of shenanigans. The trick is that in CA POSSESSION determines OCCUPANCY.

So what we've done (he's my friend as well as partner in another business) twice is when the squatter is out of the house we go into the house. (The third one was a chick who answered the door and let us in. We told her we'd wait while she went to the bank to get a cashiers check for additional rent. Once she left the house it was "fuck you") We immediately call a locksmith to change the locks, have a couple laborers load the squatter scumbags shit in plastic bags onto a U haul truck and take it to a storage space. (Vacation rentals are fully furnished so the renters only bring personal items, clothes, small electronics, etc). We now have possession of the property. At that point if the scumbag comes back (happened once) we called the cops, explained what happened (with copy of title or management contract in hand), the cop then tells the squatter scumbag... "It's a civil matter, Hire an attorney".... Tables fucking turned motherfucker!

Once all the scumbag's possessions are out of the property he calls them and tells them what we've done and where to pick up their shit. We've prepaid the storage space for 30 days and put a combo lock on it.

The police report also serves to establish that the squatter has no right to enter property without permission and would now be trespassing. They don't have the money to hire an attorney (which is why they are squatting anyway) One of us (or someone we know) stays in the property at all times for the next 48-72 hours to maintain possession. As of yet we've never had one come back though.

Yes it's a pain in the ass, ruins a day, and it costs a few hundred bucks for the locksmith, the laborers and the storage unit but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring an eviction attorney, not to mention the hassles and lost rental revenue.

Damn....that's pretty aggressive, but it sounds like there are rarely any repercussions despite the law.

Has a tenant ever taken your business partner to court over this?

[WanderingSoul]

Aggressive would be pistol whipping him until he has no teeth.

Changing the locks while he's away is a pretty calm, and much nicer, way to deal with it than they deserve.

Great advice.

[bojangles]

(07-22-2014 03:39 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 01:34 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Two major take away from this.

1) IRT in the wild. It's funny how some stereotypes have a tendency to play themselves out in real life. Again and again. TUTH, this calls for a meme.

2) Admirable but squeamish female reaction. If this was me I'd call a couple of guys who in turn would have a couple of guys that ride hogs and wear vests up in the apartment STAT to violently throw him to the curb. What's he going to do?

How do you know he's Indian? Maksym is not an Indian name.

Yeah its more eastern european.

[PapayaTapper]

(07-23-2014 01:26 AM)polymath Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:03 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

It's CA so anything longer than 30 days falls into tenants rights and technically your are supposed to follow the eviction process but...

My business partner has a vacation rental business on the side. When the market crashed in 08-09 we got stuck with a couple of high end spec homes we had been building in a Socal beach community . He stumbled on the idea of turning them into vacation rentals in order to cover the monthly nut until the market turned around, and lo and behold it worked.

When word got out of what he was doing,...well to make a long story short he now manages about 30 properties for people that were stuck the same way and it's turned into a profitable little side business....It's a pain in the ass but it's profitable. Some of them rent for $7000-$10000 per week during peak season and he charges 20-25% commission on the rental.

On three different occasions he's had someone try and pull this same type of shenanigans. The trick is that in CA POSSESSION determines OCCUPANCY.

So what we've done (he's my friend as well as partner in another business) twice is when the squatter is out of the house we go into the house. (The third one was a chick who answered the door and let us in. We told her we'd wait while she went to the bank to get a cashiers check for additional rent. Once she left the house it was "fuck you") We immediately call a locksmith to change the locks, have a couple laborers load the squatter scumbags shit in plastic bags onto a U haul truck and take it to a storage space. (Vacation rentals are fully furnished so the renters only bring personal items, clothes, small electronics, etc). We now have possession of the property. At that point if the scumbag comes back (happened once) we called the cops, explained what happened (with copy of title or management contract in hand), the cop then tells the squatter scumbag... "It's a civil matter, Hire an attorney".... Tables fucking turned motherfucker!

Once all the scumbag's possessions are out of the property he calls them and tells them what we've done and where to pick up their shit. We've prepaid the storage space for 30 days and put a combo lock on it.

The police report also serves to establish that the squatter has no right to enter property without permission and would now be trespassing. They don't have the money to hire an attorney (which is why they are squatting anyway) One of us (or someone we know) stays in the property at all times for the next 48-72 hours to maintain possession. As of yet we've never had one come back though.

Yes it's a pain in the ass, ruins a day, and it costs a few hundred bucks for the locksmith, the laborers and the storage unit but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than hiring an eviction attorney, not to mention the hassles and lost rental revenue.

Damn....that's pretty aggressive, but it sounds like there are rarely any repercussions despite the law.

Has a tenant ever taken your business partner to court over this?

Technically this isn't "legal" since the tenant has possession of the property, BUT by taking possession of the you now have the right of occupancy and put the onus on them to get it back. As I said above it's different with short term (29 days or less) vacation rentals in CA. This isn't the same as say someone you've granted a year's lease to and then they stopped paying. They dont have furnishings in the house, utility bills in their name, etc. It's more like a hotel....if you stay past your check out your ass will get locked out.

In any event, we've done it 3 times this way and never heard anything afterwards. Again as stated above, my guess is that if someone is trying to squat on a property they dont have the money to hire an attorney. Plus they are probably too busy scrambling trying to find another place to live and another property owner to scam.

[PapayaTapper]

(07-23-2014 01:50 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Aggressive would be pistol whipping him until he has no teeth.

Changing the locks while he's away is a pretty calm, and much nicer, way to deal with it than they deserve.

Great advice.

Yeah part of me has gotten really pissed when it happened. But at the same time this happened during a really fucked up time economically (09-10). There were a lot of people in really really desperate situations and were driven to do really desperate things that they probably wouldn't have done otherwise.