[desbest]

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Do women sometimes say no when they mean yes? The prevalence and correlates of women's token resistance to sex.
Muehlenhard CL1, Hollabaugh LC.
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We investigated whether women ever engage in token resistance to sex--saying no but meaning yes--and, if they do, what their reasons are for doing so. A questionnaire administered to 610 undergraduate women asked whether they had ever engaged in token resistance and, if so, asked them to rate the importance of 26 possible reasons. We found that 39.3% of the women had engaged in token resistance at least once. Their reasons fell into three categories: practical, inhibition-related, and manipulative reasons. Women's gender role attitudes, erotophobia-erotophilia, and other attitudes and beliefs varied as a function of their experience with token resistance and their sexual experience. We argue that, given society's sexual double standard, token resistance may be a rational behavior. It could, however, have negative consequences, including discouraging honest communication, perpetuating restrictive gender stereotypes, and--if men learn to disregard women's refusals--increasing the incidence of rape.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3379584

Inibition reasons means when women who are DTF go to a Traffic Light Party all wearing amber/orange because if they wear green they'll look like a slut, and no woman wears green.

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I was always confused by women's tendency to reject sex from men that they desire sexually. Especially if it was someone with whom they already had sex, and it was a positive experience for them - for me it seemed really illogical that they wouldn't want it again. I would jokingly say that they "hate fun." I said this as a joke, yes, but I also wasn't entirely joking. Because it seemed like such nonsense to me, I couldn't understand their motivations. "This action will be a good experience for ; it will be fun, exciting, and we will both enjoy it. Therefore I don't want it." I know this isn't what's going through their heads actually. But I didn't get what they were really thinking... until just recently.

For women, because sex isn't scarce, it isn't valuable. The act of sex itself for them holds much less importance because they can get it any time from any source. The act of rejection, for women, enhances their sense of value. To reject a guy makes them feel as though they are more valuable, more pretty, more desirable, of higher social ranking. How many women fantasize about being surrounded by guys who all want her, but she grins smugly and says "nope you can't have me"? This is the difference between the male and female fantasy. A man surrounded by doting girls wants to fuck all of them - it is an opposite fantasy.

In most instances, a woman perceives that she will achieve more utility from rejecting a guy than from having sex with him. The pleasure of the sex act for them is all but absent from the equation - much more important is how much perceived social value they can extract from the transaction. If they think they can get a higher sense of value from rejection than from sex, this will be the outcome.

This is why women collect orbiters. I never understood it before - but it makes sense. And it explains a lot of things.

I live in a developing country. There is a common myth that foreign guys can get girls easy here. It's believed by all local people, and therefore foreign guys believe it because they're told it. But it isn't at all true. What ACTUALLY happens is that status-whores start hanging around these guys a lot and giving false IOI's because it's trendy to be seen with foreign guys. (Because most locals are wholly ignorant about the world, they think that foreign = rich. I've had a woman ask me with total sincerity if I had an airplane... because I was American, and therefore super rich, and probably had my own airplane). But they won't fuck them. Because these local girls stand to gain more sense of social value by being publicly seen hanging around "rich" foreigners - and the first thing they'll do is drag you around to be shown off to all her friends and family so she can brag.

In this case, being "high-value" according to local culture doesn't actually increase your likelihood of getting laid. In a lot of cases it decreases it - because the girl will extract more "social value" from being seen around you without fucking you. You have "rejection value" - you being rejected, transfers value to the girl.

Of course, a clever man knows how to overcome this, and knows how to cultivate desire in the mind of the girl. Nevertheless, I think it's important to keep in mind in which cases a girl will gain a sense of value from giving in to you, and in which cases a girl will gain a sense of value from rejecting you. It was something I hadn't thought of before, but now that I've had this epiphany I will not forget about it.

Edit: It's really interesting how much controversy I've stirred up with this post. I seem to have offended a lot of people with my speculation.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comme...omen_turn/

Do you have any experiences of women turning you down for sex when they really obviously mean yes, or overcoming Last Minute Resistance? Share your stories below!

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(07-14-2014 07:40 AM)desbest Wrote:  

Do you have any experiences of women turning you down for sex when they really obviously mean yes, or overcoming Last Minute Resistance? Share your stories below!

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