[speakeasy]

If there ever is a downfall of the porn industry, I don't think it'll come from religious advocates or feminists, I think it'll be because men realize that it can truly fuck up our brains if we are not careful. You're starting to see an increase in men who may have girlfriends or otherwise have access to women's body, yet prefer porn over real life poon.

http://nymag.com/news/features/70976/

Thoughts?

[Samseau]

Gee, who would have guessed.

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I went without porn for a day. Then I tried it for two. Then three. On the fourth day, I had the fortune of having sex with a woman. And nothing was faked, although I can only speak for myself.

Masturbating every day will kill your libido.

http://ask.metafilter.com/129629/Death-g...tight-spot

http://www.curedeathgrip.com/index.html

[Chase]

Interesting articles. I always thought that watching porn and masturbation does not kill my libido as long as I don't ejaculate. But I'm not so sure any longer. How is your experience on that?

[emh]

(02-24-2011 06:21 PM)Chase Wrote:  

Interesting articles. I always thought that watching porn and masturbation does not kill my libido as long as I don't ejaculate. But I'm not so sure any longer. How is your experience on that?

It doesn't. Masturbation is a normal, healthy thing. The two articles that Samseau linked two are about "death grip" masturbation (basically a particular technique) which affects the sensation in your penis, not your actual libido.

[Parox]

Porn is bad for you!!

[oldnemesis]

(02-24-2011 05:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Masturbating every day will kill your libido.

This is bullshit, and I can state it from my personal experience. Typically it is propagated by those who believe masturbation is a sin, but have no guts to say so and stand up behind it. A cross-check with a medical article written by a Dr uncovers that:

Some young men worry that they masturbate too much. The fact is that it's almost impossible to do this.

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http://ask.metafilter.com/129629/Death-g...tight-spot
http://www.curedeathgrip.com/index.html

None of the links you provide proves what you stated. "Death grip" is not the only way to choke the chicken; in fact it is the worst one. Indeed it makes intercourse harder as vagina doesn't feel at all like death grip, but it does not affect libido.

[oldnemesis]

(02-24-2011 04:43 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

You're starting to see an increase in men who may have girlfriends or otherwise have access to women's body, yet prefer porn over real life poon.
http://nymag.com/news/features/70976/
Thoughts?

I posted this link some time ago. Read the reader comments. There is a LOT of them, but once you read a hundred or so, you'll see the common pattern here. Men avoiding their GFs/wives to jerk off to porn do that because of several reasons:

- When their sex drive is higher than their wives, or their wives aren't interested in sex anymore (quite a lot of men who commented there mentioned that);

- When their wives are not sexually attractive anymore to them. Check those comments from women mentioning they "gained a little weight"; you know what it means - if a woman admits she gained weight, this typically means she gained so much that even her close friends mention it to her.

- When the relationship is in trouble already, and sex was used as bargain tool in past. For those women it seem to always backlash sooner or later. This is not something mentioned often, but you can typically see it through, considering you typically only hear one side of a story.

[kerouac]

I'd rather jerk it than fuck a fat chick.

And if I were stranded on an island with a fat chick, I would jerk it until she lost all her excess weight, and then I'd hit it.

[Ajiaco]

I’ve thought about this too. If it screws with your brain, well I’m not really sure about that, but all this internet porn stuff is pretty unprecedented. As recently as my teenage years ten or fifteen years ago, the only way I could ever see porn was to “borrow” it from someone who generally found their dad’s stash. Maybe there was a store or two who would sell teenagers magazines…and all that stuff was pretty straightforward, nothing fetish or experimental.

Now however, pretty much anyone with an internet connection can see whatever they want with the click of a button. Even the most random stuff, for people with the strangest and most extreme tastes, it’s all there. Remember 2 girls 1 cup from a few years ago?

As someone else here mentioned, I think the people most threatened by the porn explosion are people with vanilla sex lives or no sex lives who don’t have the willpower to make their sex lives reflect their wishes and desires. If you are in a loveless marriage, or are a beta that can’t talk to girls, porn might warp your brain by making your otherwise tedious sex life seem even more unremarkable than it actually is. If you can spit game, however, you can probably convince girls to please you in ways that make porn superfluous.

[afronoob]

(02-25-2011 09:59 AM)Ajiaco Wrote:  

I’ve thought about this too. If it screws with your brain, well I’m not really sure about that, but all this internet porn stuff is pretty unprecedented. As recently as my teenage years ten or fifteen years ago, the only way I could ever see porn was to “borrow” it from someone who generally found their dad’s stash. Maybe there was a store or two who would sell teenagers magazines…and all that stuff was pretty straightforward, nothing fetish or experimental.

Now however, pretty much anyone with an internet connection can see whatever they want with the click of a button. Even the most random stuff, for people with the strangest and most extreme tastes, it’s all there. Remember 2 girls 1 cup from a few years ago?

As someone else here mentioned, I think the people most threatened by the porn explosion are people with vanilla sex lives or no sex lives who don’t have the willpower to make their sex lives reflect their wishes and desires. If you are in a loveless marriage, or are a beta that can’t talk to girls, porn might warp your brain by making your otherwise tedious sex life seem even more unremarkable than it actually is. If you can spit game, however, you can probably convince girls to please you in ways that make porn superfluous.

Porn deadens. It overstimulates with airbrushing,use of 9 models,pro photography til the real thing itself becomes lame. Then there's so much of it-therein lies the danger. I read somewhere its the major cause of under 30 impotence.

[Khaleth]

(02-25-2011 12:13 AM)kerouac Wrote:  

I'd rather jerk it than fuck a fat chick.

And if I were stranded on an island with a fat chick, I would jerk it until she lost all her excess weight, and then I'd hit it.

LMAO!!! Ha I almost spit my coffee everywhere when I read this!

[Samseau]

(02-24-2011 08:45 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(02-24-2011 05:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Masturbating every day will kill your libido.

This is bullshit, and I can state it from my personal experience. Typically it is propagated by those who believe masturbation is a sin, but have no guts to say so and stand up behind it. A cross-check with a medical article written by a Dr uncovers that:

Some young men worry that they masturbate too much. The fact is that it's almost impossible to do this.

Quote:

http://ask.metafilter.com/129629/Death-g...tight-spot
http://www.curedeathgrip.com/index.html

None of the links you provide proves what you stated. "Death grip" is not the only way to choke the chicken; in fact it is the worst one. Indeed it makes intercourse harder as vagina doesn't feel at all like death grip, but it does not affect libido.

Actually, the experience you have, and every other full blooded male has is this:


- The more sperm in your ball sac, the hornier you become.
- Masturbation removes this sperm, and makes you less horny.

Ergo, masturbation kills your libido. Masturbation death grip is a humorous symptom of excessive masturbation, posted to both inform and make light of this topic.



But hey, don't take my word for it. If you search hard enough you'll also see similar experiences from other men:

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I also have decided to stop masturbating and looking at porn. I jerked it last night after nearly 2 weeks of no porn or masturbation(wanted to go longer but felt like I was about to spring a leak). Abstaining has caused me to feel much more confident and powerful. Not sure how to describe it but I just have manly energy surging through me. I’ve found myself naturally spitting game at times. My energy and mood have both drastically improved and I have broken my squat and deadlift records this week. I am going to try for 3 weeks this time. Would highly recommend abstaining from masturbating.

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/g...ent-237468

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So based on a recharge time of two days, I should not jerk off the day before going out. If I know I have a date on Tuesday, I can jerk on Sunday but not Monday. If I’m hitting the bar on Friday night I can’t jerk off on Thursday, no matter how much I want to. This system is simple and prevents me from going out with “golden cock syndrome,” where the lower pleasure of a depleted ball orgasm makes me lazy to chase new pussy. If you jerk off right before you go out then you are wasting your time and money.

http://www.rooshv.com/jerk-off-management-101

[oldnemesis]

(02-25-2011 03:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Actually, the experience you have, and every other full blooded male has is this:
- The more sperm in your ball sac, the hornier you become.
- Masturbation removes this sperm, and makes you less horny.
Ergo, masturbation kills your libido.

Wow, this is a very basic logical fallacy you posted. Just look:

1. The more sperm in your ball sac, the hornier you become.
2. Sex with a chick you picked up in a bar removes this sperm, and makes you less horny.
So, using your logic, can we say that sex with a chick you picked up in a bar kills your libido? And conclude that pickup should be avoided as well?

Not to mention there are some people who can have sex several times a day, including masturbation, and recovery as fast as in 10-15 minutes.

Regarding the testimonies you quoted, basically they say that IF it takes you a day to recover, and IF you have no other motivation to pursue girls until you recover, THEN you should not have any sexual activity (not just masturbate) at least a day before you go out. This is very different from your original statement.

[zanetti]

i don't watch as much porn as i used to

i don't know if it's screwed up my brain or not but what i have found is that i find it hard to get excited by girls who aren't 18-23, thin, tanned, with a small butt and big hooters

or maybe that's just normal

[Samseau]

(02-25-2011 08:05 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(02-25-2011 03:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Actually, the experience you have, and every other full blooded male has is this:
- The more sperm in your ball sac, the hornier you become.
- Masturbation removes this sperm, and makes you less horny.
Ergo, masturbation kills your libido.

Wow, this is a very basic logical fallacy you posted. Just look:

1. The more sperm in your ball sac, the hornier you become.
2. Sex with a chick you picked up in a bar removes this sperm, and makes you less horny.
So, using your logic, can we say that sex with a chick you picked up in a bar kills your libido? And conclude that pickup should be avoided as well?

Yup, after fucking a girl my motivation to go out and find a new girl is less than it was before I fucked the first girl.

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Not to mention there are some people who can have sex several times a day, including masturbation, and recovery as fast as in 10-15 minutes.

Wow, naming exceptions to the rule... good argument!

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Regarding the testimonies you quoted, basically they say that IF it takes you a day to recover, and IF you have no other motivation to pursue girls until you recover, THEN you should not have any sexual activity (not just masturbate) at least a day before you go out. This is very different from your original statement.

No, the only things the quotes show is that the more you ejaculate, the less you will want ejaculate again.

[Andreas]

It's not the man's entirely fault. Porn is a fantasy and we men like fantasies.Take a look at this article: http://www.practicalhappiness.com/when-y...ches-porn/

[oldnemesis]

(03-02-2011 11:20 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Yup, after fucking a girl my motivation to go out and find a new girl is less than it was before I fucked the first girl.

Well, this gets you into the circular logic trap: if finding a girl and fucking her kills your libido, and it means you have no motivation to find another girl, why even bother finding a girl at all?

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No, the only things the quotes show is that the more you ejaculate, the less you will want ejaculate again.

You mean, during the length of your life (then this statement is false)? Or during the next fifteen minutes (this is true, but this statement has no value as most people aren't picking up girls every 15 minutes)?

[Samseau]

(03-02-2011 04:06 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 11:20 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Yup, after fucking a girl my motivation to go out and find a new girl is less than it was before I fucked the first girl.

Well, this gets you into the circular logic trap: if finding a girl and fucking her kills your libido, and it means you have no motivation to find another girl, why even bother finding a girl at all?

That's like asking why after eating food, even though it kills my desire for food, I continue to earn more money to buy more food.

Because I know that my sexual appetite, or any appetite, once sated, will return.

Quote:

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No, the only things the quotes show is that the more you ejaculate, the less you will want ejaculate again.

You mean, during the length of your life (then this statement is false)? Or during the next fifteen minutes (this is true, but this statement has no value as most people aren't picking up girls every 15 minutes)?

It's an appetite dude. You are like 50 years old and you don't understand this?

[Tommy]

(02-25-2011 08:05 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(02-25-2011 03:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Actually, the experience you have, and every other full blooded male has is this:
- The more sperm in your ball sac, the hornier you become.
- Masturbation removes this sperm, and makes you less horny.
Ergo, masturbation kills your libido.

Wow, this is a very basic logical fallacy you posted. Just look:

1. The more sperm in your ball sac, the hornier you become.
2. Sex with a chick you picked up in a bar removes this sperm, and makes you less horny.
So, using your logic, can we say that sex with a chick you picked up in a bar kills your libido? And conclude that pickup should be avoided as well?

Not to mention there are some people who can have sex several times a day, including masturbation, and recovery as fast as in 10-15 minutes.

Regarding the testimonies you quoted, basically they say that IF it takes you a day to recover, and IF you have no other motivation to pursue girls until you recover, THEN you should not have any sexual activity (not just masturbate) at least a day before you go out. This is very different from your original statement.

When I was younger and started to convert dates in to bangs I remember masturbating while taking a shower before meeting her in order to "keep it go longer" and I remember my horniness being numb while closing the deal. I do not recommend this.

[Kish]

I love porn!

[zanetti]

on the positive side it does teach you sex tricks and moves

[oldnemesis]

(03-03-2011 09:37 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Because I know that my sexual appetite, or any appetite, once sated, will return.

Now you explained it. So it does not kill your libido, it just temporary satisfies your sexual appetite. Which means it is probably not a good idea if you're meeting a chick in an hour, but other than that I don't see any issues. Same as food - if you're invited for dinner, it makes little sense to eat at home before that, but it doesn't mean eating at home makes no sense.

[Excelsior]

A couple of things guys should keep in mind.

1. Mainstream, predominantly American porn is not the only porn out there. A lot of guys have made claims similar to this one: "watching porn makes it hard to tolerate girls not 18-23, big boobs, etc".
If all you watch is mainstream american porn, then this is a legitimate concern.

There are many types of porn available, however. Amateur porn, created by people who are usually not paid for the privilege, involves a lot of people who look less than ideal because most of the participants are, in fact, average people.

European porn features girls who are often slightly less than ideal as well(physically very attractive, but usually much smaller boobs and not quite as tan). The few who do meet the ideal more closely often end up working in the US anyway.

Japanese porn is another very big option featuring girls who are cute, but don't often fit the ideals perpetrated in mainstream american porn(not blonde, small boobs, smaller butts, etc). Boob jobs are much less common. A lot of Japanese pornstars are very difficult to distinguish from the average Japanese female, something you can't say for a lot of mainstream girls in the USA.

If you consume a lot from any of these categories, you're not going to have the same side effects. I speak as a guy with a lot of experience with porn(more than I often care to admit). Most of my experience comes from these three categories, and most of it isn't even American, much less mainstream.
It hasn't affected my standards at all. If you get off watching cute but less than perfect/ideal girls having sex, then porn won't screw you up.

2. Location also matters.

Let's say you're an average guy, and all you do is consume mainstream American porn. Big names like Tanner Mayes, Lela Star, Tori Black, Kayden Kross, etc, etc-these are the ones who make up most of your carnal viewing pleasure. Naturally, your mind will acclimate itself to tight-bodied, thin, tanned and young women(or women who at least look young).

If you're in the US(most parts of it anyway), this is a big issue. As we've mentioned in other threads, good looking, thin, and feminine women are at a higher premium here than in other places due to a uniquely virulent brand of feminism and obesity. This means that if you live here, the distance between your fantasy and your reality will be particularly large.

If you live in the Ukraine, you'll have fewer problems. There it is not difficult for even an average guy to find a young, tight-bodied, thin and feminine girl because there is simply a greater supply. If you live in an environment like that, the distance between your reality and the pornographic fantasy is much smaller, which means you'll have fewer problems and, in the long run, you'll probably view less porn anyway(if the fantasy is so real, why fantasize?).

Same goes for a guy in Thailand, Japan, the Phillipines, etc. Young, tan, tight bodied girls are abundant in those places so the fantasy is much closer to reality, resulting in fewer issues and likely less porn consumption in the long run.

Many of the issues you're seeing with guys getting warped by porn have to do with a) their reliance on just one type of mainstream porn and b) the general lack of seriously attractive women in the US relative to other places, raising the value of truly thin, feminine, young women to abnormal levels and breeding more fantasizing among men for what they can't have.

[oldnemesis]

Yeah, I agree that American porn sucks. Mostly because of the actors they choose (those fake-eighteen, fake-blonde, fake-boobs, fake-ass girls just turn me off), but also there is typically no storyline at all. I've been collecting good movies for over ten years, and I don't think there is a single American porn movie in my collection. Mostly French, Italian and Japanese stuff, which you can actually watch as there is a storyline which makes sense, not a "nerd-looking guy met two girls, say hi to them, and had a threesome" story typical to American porn movies. Same problem as with almost everything with the culture - if you grew up in Europe/Asia/Latin America, the American culture will always be shallow for you, no matter how long you lived there. This affects not only porn.

[Gamers]

It is true?