[runsonmagic]

McQueen, this was a great list, especially #4. I'd say seeking mother's love is the root of blue pill thinking.

I'd add don't look to a woman for your purpose, put your purpose before you woman. Classic maxim, that' I'm sure most here already know.

[bacon]

Perhaps an underlooked one . . .

Transparency

Lump in shit tests, reading between the lines and generally having to use game psychology to make sense of what she is saying or not saying. Ultimately one of the biggest things women in relationships lack is transparency with the guy, who conversely is all too willing generally to be transparent with the girl, which is almost always to his detriment.

[Sp5]

If you're working with women, don't expect them to pursue the goals of the organization and the mission with the same energy and loyalty you do.

[Irish]

just back from a date and thought of a new one:

If you're an ex pat living in asia, no matter how rich she is never expect an asian chick to get a fucking round in...

[thegiant]

This is all solid advice, but what kinda life is that?

If you always remind yourself that women are completely unreliable in every way, how can you enjoy being in a relationship? Even if you fuck other girls on the side, you still have your main, who you have some feelings of affection for, but if you analyze her according to these 5 bullet points, how do you even justify spending time with her for things other than sex?

Why do you need her companionship if she can never hold a good conversation, doesn't love you the way you wanna be loved, can never give you emotional support etc?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, what's the SOLUTION here, for people who enjoy the idea of being in a LTR and don't want to miss it in their life?

[Sargon of Akkad]

(06-18-2014 11:55 AM)Irish Wrote:  

just back from a date and thought of a new one:

If you're an ex pat living in asia, no matter how rich she is never expect an asian chick to get a fucking round in...

What do you mean by "get a round in?"

If you mean, pay for themselves, girls I'm with do that all the time.

[Irish]

^ yes pay for themselves

general trend here in Singapore, even from the ones who are clearly into you...

[Quintus Curtius]

Tying in to the subject of what things not to expect, here is my two cents.

1. Don't expect her to put you first ahead of her own family. Blood is thicker than marriage. When push comes to shove, it is rare for a girl to put her man ahead of her own flesh and blood. I suppose that's understandable, but we should still be aware of it.

2. Don't expect a lot of sympathy for your complaining. Women don't want to hear your complaining about this or that. Problems with your job, family, life, feelings, etc.? Their response: solve it. Yes, on a certain level a girl will be understanding, but after a certain point she will begin to lose respect for you.

3. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve. Generally, you'll get punished somehow for excessive displays of sensitivity. It's sad, because it's natural to want to "open up" our hearts to our lovers, but in practice you've got to be careful. They seem to equate excessive emotionalism with weakness, and even if they don't mention it right away, it gets filed away for future reference. The best demeanor to have at all times seems to be the solid, stoic, masculine frame. Any deviation from this, and you're asking for trouble.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(06-18-2014 12:16 PM)Irish Wrote:  

^ yes pay for themselves

general trend here in Singapore, even from the ones who are clearly into you...

Almost all of the women I've dated in and from Asia (Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan) have insisted on splitting the bill. Occasionally, they'll insist on paying for both of us, and we alternate. It's a rare occurrence for any Asian girl I've gone out with to let me cover the bill every time.

[General Mayhem]

I was actually going to write a post on this yesterday.

What I'm seeing with a lot of blue pill guys is that they expect women to act like men, and they get mad when they don't.

The stoic nature of men is meant to contrast with the fickle nature of women.

You can't expect a women to be a stoic. You have to expect her to be fickle, and then hold up your end of the deal.

And cheat. That is the only way.

[Irish]

(06-18-2014 12:36 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:16 PM)Irish Wrote:  

^ yes pay for themselves

general trend here in Singapore, even from the ones who are clearly into you...

Almost all of the women I've dated in and from Asia (Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan) have insisted on splitting the bill. Occasionally, they'll insist on paying for both of us, and we alternate. It's a rare occurrence for any Asian girl I've gone out with to let me cover the bill every time.

my original post was meant to be tongue in cheek. But not to worry, it must be the way i tell 'em...

[TigerMandingo]

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

2. Don't expect a lot of sympathy for your complaining. Women don't want to hear your complaining about this or that. Problems with your job, family, life, feelings, etc.? Their response: solve it. Yes, on a certain level a girl will be understanding, but after a certain point she will begin to lose respect for you.

Quintus, this is good. But does it work the other way around? That is, if a girl complains should I basically tell her the same thing? I was seeing a girl who, upon coming back from work each day, would go on long tirades about her shitty job and terrible coworkers etc. Eventually, Id had enough of it and told her to stop whining. She took it personally and I decided that in order to keep hitting that particularly good hooch, I would basically have to put up with it for a while.

And I guess that brings up another hypocritical aspect of female nature. They expect men to listen to their shitty problems but as soon as we open up a little bit, its "Toughen up" "Deal with it" and "Men dont complain, they act."

[Quintus Curtius]

@Cunninglinguist:

Yes, unfortunately, there is a double standard about this.

Chicks will always want to lean on your strength, to cry on your shoulder, and to use you as an anchor of her stability. To a large extent, this a natural part of feminine energy. Men like to feel like protectors, and women like to get things off their chest. Excessive complaining from a man conveys feminine energy. Not good.

So, yeah, they have more latitude in the the complaining department than we do. Seems like every girl I've gone out with in the past 5 years likes to talk about her (insignificant) medical problems and her workplace or family drama.

But be warned that you can't let them go too far with this. You are not the gay male girlfriend. You are not the therapist or counselor.

At some point, it becomes disrespectful and overbearing. Then you need to put her in check. Subtly, or not so subtly, as the case may be.

[Lizard King]

(06-17-2014 11:48 PM)soup Wrote:  

This is a good intro to game.

I read a lot about how guys have trouble converting their friends from bluepill to redpill. The difficulty arises because of a conflict of frames. These points you outline are very good ones that could probably help some guys ease out of bluepill thinking.

I was thinking about posting a thread about just that, but these points cover the errors of thinking/perception, that guys who deny Game make.

[travolta]

(06-18-2014 12:36 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:16 PM)Irish Wrote:  

^ yes pay for themselves

general trend here in Singapore, even from the ones who are clearly into you...

Almost all of the women I've dated in and from Asia (Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan) have insisted on splitting the bill. Occasionally, they'll insist on paying for both of us, and we alternate. It's a rare occurrence for any Asian girl I've gone out with to let me cover the bill every time.

Agreed. Many women in Asia I've gone out with have at least offered to split the bill. A rich Thai girl I've taken overnight trips with will pay for a $200/night hotel for us and not ask me to split the cost. @Irish no offense but you must be picking up some shitty women.

EDIT: to add to the original list:

-Never expect a woman to look better than the first time you fuck her. Most girls I've fucked will look a bit worse the second time I fuck them. This is especially true if you ever see her without makeup. Never expect a woman to look as good without makeup as with makeup. Hot girls are great at making their physical imperfections. Don't be surprised if she's ever had some type of cosmetic surgery done too and denies it.

[Christian McQueen]

"-Never expect a woman to look better than the first time you fuck her."

^Good one.

[AnonymousBosch]

Never expect a woman to take the harder road.

- effort
- discipline
- self-control
- self-sacrifice
- standing up for her beliefs
- decreased short-term comfort for long-term goals

You can get the idea what I mean. There's a reason why I always gf up the ones who can.

[Vitriol]

(06-18-2014 12:07 PM)thegiant Wrote:  

I guess what I'm trying to say is, what's the SOLUTION here, for people who enjoy the idea of being in a LTR and don't want to miss it in their life?

Let go of this idealism about women. Don't nurture any "ideas" about how wonderful women can be in a certain context.

If you're a realist and a cynical asshole like myself and many others on here, you'll realize the whole point of this thread is that you're never going to get much out of women aside from sex and occasional flourishes of nice deeds and affection. If you expect more, you don't totally understand women yet and you will only be disappointed down the road.

This speaks exactly to the objection you're bringing up:

http://therationalmale.com/2014/05/06/in...es-part-i/

Quote:

For all the “OMG I can’t believe this red pill asshole thinks women can’t really love men” misdirection, I should point out that well intentioned men, especially the newly red pill, are also guilty of the same oversimplification. Theirs is an attempt to find validation in the (usually recent) trauma of having been cut away from their prior blue pill conditioning. A similar, “Rollo says women can’t really love men, of course, it’s all so clear to me now” satisfies a simplistic need for confirmation of their former condition.

And again, it’s not a right or wrong way of loving, it’s the lack of recognizing the difference and being on the punishing side of that lack. Most men will want to apply their concepts of honor or justice in assessing how ‘right’ men’s idealistic love is, while women will still see the inherent value in loving what a man is as a prerequisite for loving who a man is. Hypergamy doesn’t care about men’s idealistic expectations of love, but neither does men’s rationality make concessions for what facilitates women’s opportunistic approach to love.

[Irish]

(06-18-2014 03:30 PM)travolta Wrote:  

Agreed. Many women in Asia I've gone out with have at least offered to split the bill. A rich Thai girl I've taken overnight trips with will pay for a $200/night hotel for us and not ask me to split the cost. @Irish no offense but you must be picking up some shitty women.

You can say that again. Unless they're fresh off the boat, most hot chicks here (specifically Singapore) wouldn't be seen dead in a $200 a night hotel, never mind pay for it...

Anyway let's not get off topic

Another one: never expect a girl to take any responsibility with contraception or ensuring she does not get herself pregnant. Always carry condoms, don't take any chances

[thegiant]

Sorry vitriol, rational male goes over my head more often than not. What is he trying to say in his last paragraph?

[Bushido]

(06-18-2014 12:36 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:16 PM)Irish Wrote:  

^ yes pay for themselves

general trend here in Singapore, even from the ones who are clearly into you...

Almost all of the women I've dated in and from Asia (Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan) have insisted on splitting the bill. Occasionally, they'll insist on paying for both of us, and we alternate. It's a rare occurrence for any Asian girl I've gone out with to let me cover the bill every time.

How old are you Sargon? I used to get this when I was 20-24 years old in Japan.

In my own experience, the bigger the age gap becomes and the older I get, the more Asian girls expect me to pay. The man as the provider is the traditional gender role after all.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(06-18-2014 09:23 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:36 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 12:16 PM)Irish Wrote:  

^ yes pay for themselves

general trend here in Singapore, even from the ones who are clearly into you...

Almost all of the women I've dated in and from Asia (Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan) have insisted on splitting the bill. Occasionally, they'll insist on paying for both of us, and we alternate. It's a rare occurrence for any Asian girl I've gone out with to let me cover the bill every time.

How old are you Sargon? I used to get this when I was 20-24 years old in Japan.

In my own experience, the bigger the age gap becomes and the older I get, the more Asian girls expect me to pay. The man as the provider is the traditional gender role after all.

I'm 26. Most of the girls I've gone out with were in their twenties

[LeBeau]

Never expect a woman to recognize and/or reward you for your intelligence.

I wrote about thisa while back, and it's a subtle but important difference related to what guys have already said in the thread about not expecting intellectual stimulation from women:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-26419-...#pid501398

Many men who grasp that they won't be able to find a women who's interested in the same intellectual pursuits as them, still fall victim to thinking that women will validate their intelligence.

Even worse, they rely on this as a point of pride and and their ego tells them it makes them better dating material.

Many of the women who say things like "I want a guy who's smart" in actuality mean 1 of 2 things:

1) They want a guy who's intelligence (or appearance of it) has resulted in prestige so they can status whore him around and use it to improve their own standing.

Dude is in a STEM field diligently working away on complex problems for years?

That's not something they can easily throw out at the gossip fests with the girlfriends, but if she said her man went to an IVY league school, speaks multiple languages, or appeared on TV, now she's beaming.

Even book publishing, they could care less about the material, or thought that went into it. Hell, writing a cheesy self help book might make you look even more intelligent than the serious scholars, since you connected with her emotions:

2) They want a guy who just "gets it" and has a solution to her problems immediately, or tells her what she wants to hear. This is why "smart" to her is more often an alpha with a bit of worldly knowledge, rather than someone who's knowledge may be extraordinary in traditional male areas, but she can't relate to.

Note: I'm not making a value judgement on types of intelligence, it's important to be well rounded, just calling it how women act on it.

Ties in to what others have said about girls saying they like "geeks" and imagining Ryan Gosling wearing glasses, rather than the emasculated weaklings from Big Bang Theory.

[Hotwheels]

(06-18-2014 12:29 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Tying in to the subject of what things not to expect, here is my two cents.

1. Don't expect her to put you first ahead of her own family. Blood is thicker than marriage. When push comes to shove, it is rare for a girl to put her man ahead of her own flesh and blood. I suppose that's understandable, but we should still be aware of it.

Want to get rid of your girl?

Talk bad about her mom.

Hotwheels tested and approved.

[Jukes]

Not 5 things, but here are some. Never except a woman to support your goals and dreams. Even when showing signs of trying, she will get tired and restless if there is no rewards. Second, never except a girl who start off sexual will eventually outright state "let fuck sometime. " They will fall back to naive mode and you will still have to led. Was reminded once again on Father Day. This even goes toward a group of girls too. Lastly,
Never except woman to understand double standards. Bacically being a man without the responsibilities.