[whoishe]

Found it (http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/cur...ex7.html):

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Hillary, what would be the point of reaching effectiveness, you think? Would a mid-level blue woman be able to use her skills? Or you think it takes more than that?

And what kind of size/strength disparity are you talking about here? 105 pound woman against 250 pound, in-shape man, or 150 pound fit woman against 180 pound average strength man?

I'm really curious what you think because I see women at a white belt level easily handling newcomers in the gym, but I also realize that a gym roll is a lot different from a real self-defense scenario.

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Six years into the sport and 145 lbs, I wouldn't bet myself against a 200 lb guy truly trying to hurt me. Even if I was able to control the situation, it wouldn't be without my HP taking a serious hit.

Also this is interesting from her:

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No. Years (closer to decades) if you train hard and effectively. Never if you don't take it seriously and train once a week. Women face a severe biological and physiological barrier that no martial art will "overcome." Either way, a grown ass man attacking you with rage/passion will be an experience you hopefully have never been in before, and will take your ass by surprise. Overconfidence is our worst enemy, fear will keep you aware and keep you safe. I'm a paranoid MFer when I know I'm in a sketchy situation.

The most significant aspect about training that protects women, in my opinion, play out before the attack. Not self defense training moms, but actually athletic women, tend to deter attackers from first glance. The increase in muscle mass (as well as a more "powerful" walk in general) make them look like a less easy target. Most of the dirtbags in life pick on the weak so it's good to try to avoid being in that demographic.* Most of the BJJ folks I see--male or female-- tend to form friendships with their training partners and hang out in groups a bit more.

* Common knowledge and not based on fact, but if stats show bigger folks get attacked more please correct me.

[Dr. Howard]

(06-09-2014 07:27 PM)Muk Wrote:  

BJJ is probably a woman's best chance against a man without weapons...
But it's still a pretty long shot.
The most a woman can do is superficial damage with strikes,
but if she knows what she's doing, she might have a chance with grappling

Everyone sucks BJJ's dick nowadays. It, like its other sister designed for sport, Judo, is derived from jiu jitsu but with all of the cringe worthy crunchy bits and weapons training removed.

A woman does not need technical grappling, she needs finger locks, pressure points, groin strikes, bites, eye gouges, ear slaps, wrist and ankle locks as well as unarmed knife defense. All of that stuff is removed from BJJ and Judo as its not necessary for sport but is great for self defense.

Much of the dirty stuff isn't taught anymore because teachers are afraid of liability due to idiot students using it or now that MMA is a sport and its 'against the rules' but that is what you need to live if you are 5 ft, 110 pounds and shrill voiced with pointy nails.

edit: Even googling Jiu-Jitsu gets you a BJJ entry not the original japanese jiu jitsu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu ... I guess I was pretty lucky to train in the original, stabby stabby, bite to escape a headlock style by a japanese sensei.

[Coldfire]

If a woman strikes at the body's most vulnerable points she can do plenty of damage.

[SpiderKing]

I'm sorry, but women shouldn't need [car insurance] to protect themselves from [road rage] #MissUSA—
Peter Simon (@PeterSimon12) June 09, 2014


Let's hope Nevada uses her media tour to reiterate that teaching girls [defensive driving] is NOT the best way to protect against [traffic citations] #MissUSA—
Mandy Velez (@mandy_velez) June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada was asked about [demolition derbies] at colleges and answered that women need to learn to defend themselves… OR MEN COULD JUST NOT [DEMOLISH PUSSY].—
Anna Garcia (@a_mariagarica) June 09, 2014


Not happy w/ Miss Nevada's answer that to stop [traffic fatalities] we should teach women to defend themselves…Why don't we teach men to not [drive]?—
Kelsey Bemus (@KelseyBemus) June 09, 2014


Miss Nevada described how individuals need to protect themselves from [car crashes], instead of teaching others not to [crash cars]. Stop the victim [responsibility].—
Lena Ploucha (@hallepalouka) June 09, 2014


Sick of hearing "women need to learn selfdefense from [automotive] violence"
We need a culture we don't have to defend ourselves from—[Saudi Arabia, where women are banned from driving]
Colleen Gibbons (@GibbonsColleen) June 09, 2014


Women shouldn't need to learn to protect themselves against [fender-benders] #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a woman #rapeculture [#driverseducationmanual]—
Anna Beth West (@annabethwest) June 09, 2014


Hey Miss Nevada- how about instead of woman learning to protect themselves, women learn to not [take selfies while driving and die]?—
Cait Cremeens (@CaitCremeens) June 09, 2014

[soup]

(06-09-2014 02:48 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Ralphie May describes the evidence in the Kobe rape trial

Hecould have been the Rick Astley of Def Comedy Jam.

[HawkWrites]

So they're admitting women have exactly ZERO power in the situation? So much for equality. Hell, my 4'11" sister (best female friend; we've treated each other as family for over a decade and there's no sexual attraction between us) is trained in karate and she could chop most guys I know into a country fiddle with no problem. Self-defense works; they need to learn that becoming versed in it isn't an admission of defeat against whatever imaginary problem they're fighting.

-Hawk

[Mage]

Woman's self defense is a joke if a man has an intention to kill or rob a woman. The woman will lose unless help arrives quickly or extreme luck, because killing and robbing requires the man to empower the woman only for a brief moment enough to thrust in a knife, hit her head or pullout her purse. Since a man is much stronger, the probability of this moment taking place approaches 1 exponentially per every second of the struggle.

But if the mans intention is to rape then self defense is very practical. Because rape is hard. A rapist needs to keep the woman subdued for a long time to undress her, keep her legs open while stopping her hands from hitting and cutting with nails and her mouth biting and crying for help. It is very very hard and it is probably impossible to do this and get any significant enjoyment from the coitus. Therefore in peacetime only the most desperate men resort to this and therefore an actual rape is rare.

Since a woman only needs a moment to break loose and run away, leaving the rapist with pants down or for help to arrive, with longer the struggle the probability of woman escaping approaches 1.

In conclusion - women shouldn't naively imagine that self deference equals them with men, but they should know some basics to use in self defense when attacked by a rapist, because it is effective enough to question if it was rape after all if it was not used.

[Benoit]

^ Self-defence is as much mindset as it is skills training.

If a woman has some basic knowledge it will help, but you have to be willing to damage the attacker.

Slapping someone's face might not even make them angry - snapping their finger, jabbing your thumb into their eye, driving a pen deep into their leg muscle, these are all effective close-quarter moves. But they are all so horrific that most people have a strong aversion to even considering them.

I've given every serious girlfriend one piece of advice - "if you're in danger, do whatever it takes".

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

The problem with learning self-defense is that it would make it much harder for one of these cunts to accuse a guy of "rape".

A lot more "rape" charges would be thrown out if it was found out that the bitch had plenty of self-defense experience but just decided to allow the "rape".

i.e. it would be harder for men to get convicted of regret "rape"

[puckerman]

Feminists want to use the state to tear men down. They want women to be dependent on the state.

Modern feminists are apathetic about self-defense in the martial arts as well as gun rights.

[weambulance]

Come on guys, you've been watching too much TV if you think a 5 foot, 105 pound girl could take on a 170+ pound man and win. Yeah, she might hurt him, but all he has to do is get a hold on one limb and she's dead meat. Women are hilariously weak compared with men, and they are much more fragile.

Just as an example, when my unit was deployed we had a grappling tournament with weight classes. A female captain was up against a pretty small enlisted guy, they were both maybe 135 lb or so. She had awesome technique and easily beat the girls she'd faced before this guy. The guy's technique sucked, but all he did was bowl her over onto her back and grab her with one hand by the throat while she was in the guard and choke her. Even using her legs trying to get him in a triangle choke he was too strong and she submitted in like 20 seconds from the starting bell.

Martial arts training is fine and all, but it's a serious mistake to think it's all that applicable to the real world. Sparring against another martial artist is nothing like fighting someone on the street. Anyone serious about self defense should be spending >90% of their training time learning to use a pistol, not prancing around in a dojo. Of course if you live someplace you can't carry a pistol, well... hope you don't get in a fight, and run if you do, I guess. You're probably better off learning to break holds quickly and practicing your sprinting than trying to become a black belt.

By the way, yes, I used to study karate and grappling. The times I tried stuff like pressure points in the real world, it didn't work for shit. Sure, strikes work and low kicking can be great but joint locks and things like that are very hard to apply to someone who's resisting strenuously. On the other hand, I'm completely confident that 2 to 6 hollow points to the chest will solve 100% of my violent criminal problems, and I don't even need to let them get close enough to carve me up with a switchblade or hope I'm wearing running shoes instead of steel toed boots when it's time to run away.

[Constitution45]

It made me both laugh and get annoyed, seeing these women take Krav Maga classes back home. They were taking pictures of themselves before and after the class, to put on instagram or twitter, whatever narcissistic shit they use nowadays. Whenever we were sweating and grunting, they would be tutting and acting annoyed. To make matters worse they didn't even try any of the moves out on each other. Instead converting it into some form of yoga. The other woman who turned up, again needed to get all the attention from the main instructor and make him, her personal trainer for the lesson.

There have been some exceptions, women who regularly go and give it all their best and don't expect preferential treatment. But it pisses me off how a lot of them, expect to change a masculine environment.

[germanico]

(06-10-2014 04:30 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

But it pisses me off how a lot of them, expect to change a masculine environment.

Nope, the masculine environment is the one that has to do the changing. They are fine the way they are. Why should they change anything?

[kosko]

Nature gave women a self-defense mechanism in their pussy. Women dry up quickly when it is stressed, forced, entry as it's internees to injury the rapist. Raping a broad will basically rip your dick and make it pleasure non-exsistant as a means to deter the intruder from getting a nutt off inside.

Self-defence would just be another tool to the kit. I am all for it. Because I know that real, violent, rape happens happens such few times. If a woman ever sees that violent situation it's a coin flip and rape takes a second seat just to simple survival.

Women don't want to own up to it because, women on a deep brain level like the domination of rape on a fucked up level. It's the ultimate back brain hit of meth the hamster, but it causes serious damage after the fact. But many women are getting wet to rape fantasia each night, why? I don't fantasize about getting a beatin in a brawl.. Why do women have fantasies about something they claim is be worst crime one can commit against them?

This is why hey squabble and scream.ost broads want it. "Rape" is a damaged word but if you try to role play a 'forced sex' scene with your broad in bed she will be gushing like a water tap.

I support female self-defence. It stops the trolling and gets American women much needed excersise.

[Constitution45]

(06-10-2014 07:33 AM)germanico Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 04:30 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

But it pisses me off how a lot of them, expect to change a masculine environment.

Nope, the masculine environment is the one that has to do the changing. They are fine the way they are. Why should they change anything?

I don't understand, why should a krav maga class change its whole entire structure and ethos to cater for women. There are some women who come along and do perfectly fine and are accepted. The ones who come along and expect it to be some yoga spa class should be banned. Krav Maga is about destroying your enemy in a real life self defence scenario. Making it soft and PC for the few smart phone zombies should be a no go.

[Moma]

(06-10-2014 08:10 AM)kosko Wrote:  

Nature gave women a self-defense mechanism in their pussy. Women dry up quickly when it is stressed, forced, entry as it's internees to injury the rapist. Raping a broad will basically rip your dick and make it pleasure non-exsistant as a means to deter the intruder from getting a nutt off inside.

Self-defence would just be another tool to the kit. I am all for it. Because I know that real, violent, rape happens happens such few times. If a woman ever sees that violent situation it's a coin flip and rape takes a second seat just to simple survival.

Women don't want to own up to it because, women on a deep brain level like the domination of rape on a fucked up level. It's the ultimate back brain hit of meth the hamster, but it causes serious damage after the fact. But many women are getting wet to rape fantasia each night, why? I don't fantasize about getting a beatin in a brawl.. Why do women have fantasies about something they claim is be worst crime one can commit against them?

This is why hey squabble and scream.ost broads want it. "Rape" is a damaged word but if you try to role play a 'forced sex' scene with your broad in bed she will be gushing like a water tap.

I support female self-defence. It stops the trolling and gets American women much needed excersise.

I concur with that. I have had lizards hint that I should get rougher and really grab them but that doesn't compute into my fantasies..and we play a fine line..but that being said..part of a lizard's psyche enjoys a man dominating her.

It's a contradiction, yes..but we already know how lizards are configured..

[RockHard]

(06-09-2014 02:34 PM)Lufty Wrote:  

I've never understood why self defense isnt a more commonly touted solution. Rape has existed for millennia, across species. It is a biological strategy that a couple laws aren't going to wave away. Doesn't matter how many laws you put in place criminals are still going to do their thing.

As many on this forum know self defense/martial arts are a great hobby. You get a good workout, feel more confident and if the situation(any sort of sketchy one) arises you have a better chance of escaping unharmed.

There was an anti rape woman self defense class at my high school. All the girls who went on to go to those ultrafeminests liberal arts schools took it and loved it, so Im not sure where these twitter haters are coming from.

It's a great hobby but not something you fix with a few 1 hour classes. The local karate school teaches kids anti-bullying techniques which is basically shout loudly and put physical space between you and your attacker. It's effective on the playground but won't do anything against an attacker who's persistent.

What really pisses feminists off is equating rape with robbery. They're claiming that it's a whole different ballgame to be raped vs having property taken from you. I'm OK with that point, so I use assault as an example. For instance: when I'm in a bad neighborhood I take precautions. I'm aware of my surroundings. I'm on the lookout for people acting shady. I care a lot more about getting beaten up than I do about losing my wallet, but in certain places you don't know what a guy is after.

The weird thing from the #YesAllWomen stuff is that there are women who believe that they're always in a bad neighborhood and need to act like that all the time. Maybe that's being hysterical, or maybe it's hysteria induced by not having a good sense of what real risks are. I think that most young women have been indoctrinated on "rape culture" for so long that they really believe that their chances of getting raped are 1 in 4.

On top of that, women say that they shouldn't have to take those precautions at all. It would be nice if that were so, but it's not facing the reality. The reality is that there are bad people in the world and you can't wish that away. That's something that's changed. I remember in college a girl freaking out because a friend & I were walking with her through a wooded area at dusk and were fucking around challenged each other to a race and started running. She was mad because we left her in the woods. Her words were literally that she needed to take responsibility for her own safety and she didn't want to be in that place alone. I thought she was acting crazy, but looking back she was at least taking responsibility for her own safety. Girls today insist they shouldn't have to take responsibility for that.

We're in a culture now where so few people are accustomed to actual hardship that they have to invent hardships to feel validated. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that for a woman with that hardship mindset, getting raped is like losing your virginity. If you aren't a "survivor" after a certain age, then you're not part of the club, and the pressure is on to invent a hardship, so consensual sex where the attraction is marginal becomes rape.

[Hotwheels]

They don't even need self defense training. Close their legs and yell and scream.

Jesus, most of these "assaults" apparently take place in dorms, frats etc where there are other people around that will hear the commotion.

[Que enspastic]

When I try to dominate one of my regulars, all she has to do is pinch me hard and I'm backing off. Pinching, biting and screaming will make it almost impossible to rape a girl unless she gets quickly knocked out.

Women do get wet when raped, not dry as one of the posters above suggested. It's so they don't get injured.

As for women fantasising about rape, they're imaging a hot guy, not some ghetto thug. They want to feel desired without feeling like a slut. It's not to be taken as evidence that they don't mind being raped - of course they do.

Another of my regulars recognises that she needs me in order to go to certain places. For example, in London I'll take her somewhere cool in Hackney or Peckham but she wouldn't dream of going there late at night by herself or with a girl friend because she knows that she would be asking for trouble if she did. There's some places girls only go when accompanied by a man.

[Que enspastic]

Also when I studied criminal law vast majority of the time the rapist is a bf/ex-bf/husband/ex-husband/trusted family relative/long time beta orbiter "nice guy" friend.

I reckon it's understandable that girls go into shell-shock when someone they feel safe around is now forcibly having sex with them against their will rather than go into flight-or-fight mode. It's a psychological blow to their reality, the annihilation of the trust they placed in someone.

Also when talking about stranger rape, the stranger rapists generally use date rape drugs or aim for complete intoxication of girl rather than attack her sober in an alleyway.

If you're teaching girls how to avoid rape it's better to focus on the two classes of men that present the highest risk. Unfortunately it doesn't seem easy to combat either of these types above short of never entirely trusting men at all, even the ones you love.

[Benoit]

(06-10-2014 01:01 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Also when talking about stranger rape, the stranger rapists generally use date rape drugs or aim for complete intoxication of girl rather than attack her sober in an alleyway.

The number of actual date rape druggings is vanishingly small. In almost every case I've heard about, the woman willingly drank herself insensible then decided "I must have been drugged".

I'm sure there are plenty of guys who will get a few drinks into a girl before taking her home, but again I bet there are hardly any who deliberately force drinks on her until she passes out.

Why would rapists go to all that trouble when women do it to themselves?

[Wutang]

(06-10-2014 04:21 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

Come on guys, you've been watching too much TV if you think a 5 foot, 105 pound girl could take on a 170+ pound man and win. Yeah, she might hurt him, but all he has to do is get a hold on one limb and she's dead meat. Women are hilariously weak compared with men, and they are much more fragile.

Just as an example, when my unit was deployed we had a grappling tournament with weight classes. A female captain was up against a pretty small enlisted guy, they were both maybe 135 lb or so. She had awesome technique and easily beat the girls she'd faced before this guy. The guy's technique sucked, but all he did was bowl her over onto her back and grab her with one hand by the throat while she was in the guard and choke her. Even using her legs trying to get him in a triangle choke he was too strong and she submitted in like 20 seconds from the starting bell.

Martial arts training is fine and all, but it's a serious mistake to think it's all that applicable to the real world. Sparring against another martial artist is nothing like fighting someone on the street. Anyone serious about self defense should be spending >90% of their training time learning to use a pistol, not prancing around in a dojo. Of course if you live someplace you can't carry a pistol, well... hope you don't get in a fight, and run if you do, I guess. You're probably better off learning to break holds quickly and practicing your sprinting than trying to become a black belt.

By the way, yes, I used to study karate and grappling. The times I tried stuff like pressure points in the real world, it didn't work for shit. Sure, strikes work and low kicking can be great but joint locks and things like that are very hard to apply to someone who's resisting strenuously. On the other hand, I'm completely confident that 2 to 6 hollow points to the chest will solve 100% of my violent criminal problems, and I don't even need to let them get close enough to carve me up with a switchblade or hope I'm wearing running shoes instead of steel toed boots when it's time to run away.

Yep the strength deference between a man and an a woman - even those who are around the same size is pretty staggering. There's this chick at one of the gyms I train at that - she's in her early 20s, works hard, and is fairly athletic but she actually gets muscled around a bit by a MIDDLE SCHOOL kid that plays football.

I love BJJ but if someone's main priority is self-defence I would tell them to get a weapon. I love the training, the work-out, and how BJJ keeps me in shape but if those aren't goals for someone then I would say that learning a martial art really is an inefficient way of assault proofing yourself. By my estimate, it would take about a year of training 3 times a week (basically around blue belt level) before I would say a person of average athleticism can confidently defend himself against people random people who are say no more then 15 lbs heavier.

[kosko]

(06-10-2014 12:34 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

When I try to dominate one of my regulars, all she has to do is pinch me hard and I'm backing off. Pinching, biting and screaming will make it almost impossible to rape a girl unless she gets quickly knocked out.

Women do get wet when raped, not dry as one of the posters above suggested. It's so they don't get injured.

As for women fantasising about rape, they're imaging a hot guy, not some ghetto thug. They want to feel desired without feeling like a slut. It's not to be taken as evidence that they don't mind being raped - of course they do.

Another of my regulars recognises that she needs me in order to go to certain places. For example, in London I'll take her somewhere cool in Hackney or Peckham but she wouldn't dream of going there late at night by herself or with a girl friend because she knows that she would be asking for trouble if she did. There's some places girls only go when accompanied by a man.

If she is getting wet while getting "raped" it's not rape. It's the same argument that goes against men as to how we can't get raped by women, if a man isn't hard a woman can't rape him. Are we to believe now that women have no control over if they get wet and aroused? Are women free of that responsibility also? Since women these days can't be blamed or take any control over anything we mis assume that se fat even control the most basic trait of arousal. It's becoming a joke.

If she is wet --> she is aroused, thus == Rape.

Go google about how pussys fare after forced entry by legit rapes, it's not a pretty site. They suffer tearing and damage which is part of what a typical rape kit is supposed to check (and what makes them so pricy). This is a biology means as keeping omegas from forcing entry and pregnancy on a woman. A woman will submit to a dominate male but she won't left a weak male get a free nut.

Any Females telling you otherwise is full of shit. Any player knows that when a girl isn't "feeling it" she is a dry as the Sahara. I've seen women in group settings from swinging where one was down, and the other wasn't. Aside from body language, her kitty also tells what as is feeling as it won't be moist enough for sex. Some women are of course different, some have a harder time getting wet.. I get that. But that is the minority and not the majority of young fertile health woman.

When the body is in fear and survival mode the last thing it is doing is ejaculating wetness as mating is far down the list as what is important in the moment at hand. Do you get a boner when your scrapping it out?... No. So don't believe the Femnist rape texts these days as it's a claim they always made which was diffused by old journals back in the days (thrown out since the studies were done by men). Vaginal tearing is a clear sign which is why women whom are legitimately, violently rape are screened for STIs constantly after the fact since the tears make catching something very easy. Many women report not having their pussies feel the same after a legit rape due to tearing.

[assman]

(06-10-2014 03:57 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

Yep the strength deference between a man and an a woman - even those who are around the same size is pretty staggering. There's this chick at one of the gyms I train at that - she's in her early 20s, works hard, and is fairly athletic but she actually gets muscled around a bit by a MIDDLE SCHOOL kid that plays football.

Reminds me of this:
Warroad High School edges Team USA women

The Warroad High School boys' team squeaked out a 2-1 victory over the U.S. Olympic women's hockey team Wednesday.

That high school boys' team wasn't the best high school hockey players in the country, state or even a regional all-star team. Just one school's hockey team beating the best adult females in the country.

I think women are deluded by movies (KickAss, TombRaider, etc. - the sheer number of movies showing unarmed women taking down men is staggering) as to how they would fare against an aggressive male. I remember when my female barber, a girl in her early 20s, told me how she was confident that she could fight off a man. She has no weapons and no fight training. She says she doesn't take shit from anybody and (even if true) seems to think that this somehow translates into combat. I told her life was not the movies and to buy a pistol and get some training.

[MrStinky]

I don't feel I should have to lock my doors. We should just tell burglars not to burglarize #endburglaryculture