[TripleG]

Guys, I'm a long time reader and contributor to the travel forum however this is my first post to the "newbie forum" as I haven't encountered this type of situation before. I recently came back from World Hockey Championships in Belarus and met a nice girl there. We basically hung out 24-7 while overseas and I made it to around 3rd base but due to conservatism, logistics, and limited time no deal was sealed.

We have been chatting ever since, for 3 weeks now and I am making tentative plans to visit her in the near future. When we discussed personal subjects on our dates she would mention that she had only a few partners in her life and they were all serious relationships and that she had not seen anyone in a long time.

Well, yesterday she casually mentioned she went to see a doctor and long story short she bought pills to be on birth control. I also found out that she had seen some guy as late as March (about 2 months before we met). I do not consider her my girl friend yet but we are definitely more than just friends. Since LTR are so difficult and I don't know how trustworthy she is unless I could see her every day would you consider
this a red flag for a fledgling relationship or would you guys say this is normal and it should be to my benefit that she revealed early on the fact that she's on birth control and had seen someone just before she met me?

Thanks.

[Christian McQueen]

Read these: http://blockedurl.com/2014/05/14/the-41-...-of-pussy/

Secondly, until you've inserted your cock into her, the idea of a LTR with her shouldn't even be on your radar.

Let's keep it real: in between your phone chats from thousands of miles away, she's banging some dude (s).

Check yourself before you start getting oneitis.

Lastly, if you guys don't live close by, don't even consider having a LTR with her.

Long-distance LTRs do not work, unless the couple has already been together a significant period of time and even then, the odds are stacked against you.

It's clear that you're more invested in her, than she is in you. Don't blame logistics, conservatism, or time constraints on not banging her. You were with her "24/7" and she wouldn't give it up?

Come on brother...

[SydneyD]

She's definitely going to be banging other guys and so you should be doing the same (i mean banging other GIRLS not guys lol)

Was the head really that good to make you already consider a long distance LTR? (well, maybe i need to go to Belarus then haha)

I would suggest that you keep flying occasionally to Belarus and banging her because it seems that you have fire burning in your loins to 'seal the deal' BUT don't get into an LTR! Consider her to be your long-distance fuck buddy.

Keep approaching and keep banging other women.

Bang her for a minimum of 6 months before even considering an LTR. By then you should know her really well and you'll naturally know if she's banging other guys and whether or not she is LTR material.

It's rather peculiar that you're worrying about her birth control when you barely know her and you haven't even banged. Perhaps that's a needy beta sign and red flag to her

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

Unless she got on birth control specifically for you, then she is not LTR material.

But you don't seem ready for any LTR yet if ever. Your frame is too weak. Go out and get better at game.

[Constitution45]

With all fairness to the original poster, relationships in these countries start off a lot more traditional and organic. If a woman doesn't put out, its hard to identify it as LMR due to cultural factors, which in a weird way I find a desirable trait. They usually want you to emotionally invest with her, especially if they see you as a foreigner, you already have a perceived higher sexual value than her.

Judging by the fact that you started a post about her and you are concerned that she could be seeing other signs. Suggests that you are on the beginning stages of oneitus. Even if there is potential with her, you will lose it quickly if you have this frame of mind. Keep on gaming, focusing on your self improvement, see other women. If you are in another country and you are trying to guess what she is doing, it will just give you a headache. Reduce her as a plate, someone that you can have an easy going fun time with when you travel to that part of the world.

Just reading the rest of the post, about that other guy and her having three sexual partners. How old is she ?

I would defiantly suggest reducing her to a plate, you have to be ruthless with these types of scenarios, otherwise it will just bring you down.

[TripleG]

Thank you guys for the brutal advice, perhaps I need to start wearing thicker armor. Sealing the deal with EE girls in many cases can take multiple attempts, especially if one is not an expert in game. Even Roosh complains of dating and conservatism in Russia, Belarus is even worse in this regard.

As for her age she is 30 years old (i know too old for most players on here) and complains to me every day how various guys are hitting on her in the cafes and parks when she is reading books or just relaxing. I've told her that we are not in an LTR and I date other girls and she throws fits online. I suppose this is a 2nd red flag. If I notice a 3rd red flag I will of course cease communication but still want to give her a chance.

[godofwar]

birth control is not an issue other than a plus.

plenty of virgins take birth control for years. i recently found out it has other benefits. it makes periods less painful/intense.

when i was younger i often worried about a girls' LTR value. once i developed myself enough to have options i only focused on notches. it became the girls job to convince me to get in a relationship and to stay. that's the secret to keeping a girl. make her convince you. until you get in that mindset, you are going to go through a lot of pain and frustration. dont give up though. those experiences are the fastest way you get to where you need to be if you aren't yet.

[Constitution45]

(06-05-2014 08:57 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Thank you guys for the brutal advice, perhaps I need to start wearing thicker armor. Sealing the deal with EE girls in many cases can take multiple attempts, especially if one is not an expert in game. Even Roosh complains of dating and conservatism in Russia, Belarus is even worse in this regard.

As for her age she is 30 years old (i know too old for most players on here) and complains to me every day how various guys are hitting on her in the cafes and parks when she is reading books or just relaxing. I've told her that we are not in an LTR and I date other girls and she throws fits online. I suppose this is a 2nd red flag. If I notice a 3rd red flag I will of course cease communication but still want to give her a chance.

May I ask how old you are ?
It's a hard one, because we are used to Western women, who are ... well there is no need to say. I knew a guy who had to wait 6 months until he had sex with his Armenian girlfriend, she was a virgin and now they seem to be happy together, I highly doubt she is cheating. Same applies to another Western friend of mine who has a Russian girlfriend, he was her first, and he had to wait for ages. Now they are having good sex all the time. Point I am trying to make, is that you will find a lot of red pill women over there, they know that if you take her cheese, there is a good chance she won't see you again. And if you are a high value foreign man, why would she do that ?

[MidniteSpecial]

Do you think men are more attracted to women on birth control ? Just like women can be more attracted to men on test.

My new thing is on bc and she's irrestible.

Dudes try to grab her on the streets she drives men crazy.

[RexImperator]

It does plump up their boobs a bit. Clearer skin, too.

[Smoky-cos]

Pretty commonly prescribed for any period problems. I wouldn't use it as a proxy for her virginity though...

[Lex S.]

(06-05-2014 03:57 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

Unless she got on birth control specifically for you, then she is not LTR material.

But you don't seem ready for any LTR yet if ever. Your frame is too weak. Go out and get better at game.

I also find it to be a red flag if a girl's on birth control but she's been single for an extended period of time. It means she probably sleeps around a lot, enough so that pregnancy scares could be a problem.

[Wayout]

Living in Russia for over 5 months now I realize that things are much different here. OP what you described is pretty standard. Women in their 30's in Russia don't have good options to get sex. Yes they get hit on occasionally by lower class Russian men - but they won't be giving in it up for them!
From what you wrote - I would say she is 99% not cheating. Russian women don't waste time online with someone they are not fucking if they already have someone. Time is precious in Russia, there is not enough time to get everything done. In fact, if she is spending time with you online or in real life - you are getting somewhere!
To me it's laughable how some American players who replied in this tread project their strictly American experiences on Russian women. Russians are different.
Yes, I know it's hard to accept everything at face value after living in the West. But maybe give it a shot?
I would suggest you think about what you really want from her and proceed accordingly. She might be the one...or she might be not. Be honest with her and ask her the question you are asking here in your OP. I've been always blown away by the openness of the women here even if I ask them "difficult" questions.

By the way, birth control pills are regulating hormone levels and for women in their 30 it is pretty normal to take them . Nothing to do with sex.

[eradicator]

I love the wayout updates on russia.

[MidniteSpecial]

Does taking birth control make a woman more attractive ?

[olive]

(06-04-2014 08:23 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Guys, I'm a long time reader and contributor to the travel forum however this is my first post to the "newbie forum" as I haven't encountered this type of situation before. I recently came back from World Hockey Championships in Belarus and met a nice girl there. We basically hung out 24-7 while overseas and I made it to around 3rd base but due to conservatism, logistics, and limited time no deal was sealed.

We have been chatting ever since, for 3 weeks now and I am making tentative plans to visit her in the near future. When we discussed personal subjects on our dates she would mention that she had only a few partners in her life and they were all serious relationships and that she had not seen anyone in a long time.

Well, yesterday she casually mentioned she went to see a doctor and long story short she bought pills to be on birth control. I also found out that she had seen some guy as late as March (about 2 months before we met). I do not consider her my girl friend yet but we are definitely more than just friends. Since LTR are so difficult and I don't know how trustworthy she is unless I could see her every day would you consider
this a red flag for a fledgling relationship or would you guys say this is normal and it should be to my benefit that she revealed early on the fact that she's on birth control and had seen someone just before she met me?

Thanks.

Obviously I don't know her and I acknowledge the fact she *could* be Russia's #1 slut in an extreme scenario. Having said that here's my take...

I can speak not as a PUA but as a dude with some first hand experience on the matter, theirs is a radically different culture than anglosphere; I sometimes romantically think of it as black and white (good) TV era world! This view is not based on one now-glorified nostalgic view of a near-miss LTR from my twenties but years of experience (yeah one LTR ) several shorter ones, and many male & female Russian & Ukranian friends, good time spent in field in Moscow and mostly in Kiev).

I wouldn't be surprised if she is actually "saving herself for you" now. I am very much aware of the top notch gamer sluts in Moscow and possibly other big cities - it would be foolish to assume all girls are angel in any part of globe. What you also get in RU sphere is the nice marriage-material girls in in my opinion huge numbers who still take the heart-to-vagina connection seriously - so much so that it seems unreal. In this area from what I see pill is quite common and "not a big deal". Locals of these countries can help us understand better. She is taking precaution so you should be happy about it and you also should not be foolish to not wear condom by delivering parts of your future to her pill's effectiveness (or her integrity) - just not yet.

It's not a red flag that she is mentioning these things to you (so openly!), it's a cultural thing I have experienced the same and had the same wtf! shock. It's just plain old honesty and straightforwardness which we partially forgot in some other parts of world due to decades of brutal gaming and counter-gaming. (romance killer: again we don't know her, she could actually be the (extreme case) honey off a gang or something - gather hard information before the visit without playing sherlock & when there, keep the condom and personally dispose off every time, alert at least a buddy of yours about your movements in detail, keep the GPS on, install an automated check-in app for android or something. you will most likely laugh at this thread 6 months down the line but you're not there yet - just be smart - safe than sorry).

Asking here on the forums to improve your knowledge is great; should extend on that: learn more on cultural differences by reading 'russian bride' sites. They're professionals making money on it. They do have a vested interest in drawing a nicer picture than it actually is but what they also do is provide solid information in bitesize for free on their sites. I read it before my first (business) visit (with zero intention of adding a 'bride' to shopping basket) most -if not all- of the information proven to be accurate (perhaps because I didn't look at the profile pictures). Do not click on the sponsored shitty top links in google search, use time tested organic #1 (non-advertisement) link on site to find a proper such site.

She is being jealous of you is normal and the sane feminine behaviour. I would not count it as red flag.

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I've told her that we are not in an LTR and I date other girls and she throws fits online

Why would you do that? Date other girls, don't overcommit/overinvest, if she asks keep it vague, "I can't promise anything", "time will tell", ...
No need to break her heart if she's indeed a sweetheart from 50s, romantically waiting on you.
No need to provide information if she's anything else after a ll it's your private life and you're not in a LTR, why report.

Last but most important bit: I think there's hardly any red flags here it's just shit getting real (with an unfamiliar culture girl) and you are probably not ready for it?
It all depends on what you want, as stated above LTRs statistically speaking don't work, and when it works, it usually ends up in greatly lowered access to resources followed by a final breakdown which takes you step one anyway. This relationship too (statistical forecast) will fail unless you somehow change logistics. Not knowing your situation and hers, assuming averages, due to financial realities of our time, you would be the man and driver of relationship in every way. In this one, you'll be far away from the 50/50land you are possibly used to by now.

On the one hand (from a logical point of view) it is a waste of resources for you to take any further action on this prospect, and a visit is surely a massive waste of resources IF your goal is maximizing female company.
On the PRO side it's a unique adventure onto itself (especially the very 1st one) if you're up for it, then it's not a waste of time even if this doesn't end up in 4 lovely kids 3 dogs

I doubt this will happen but if you sense any flakes forget about travelling to her. Perhaps give her small tasks, possibly with small intentional ever increasing difficulty to see whether she'll go out of her way to accommodate your requests. If she is not solid problem solved and if she is, decide what you want before the next move.

Would you like to chase a tiny chance of solid relationship with a person 5000 miles(more?) away who will possibly never get your fine cultural reference jokes and will require translation/assistance till end of your days OR limit you to relatively basic communication at least next few years? It doesn't sound like an issue but yes it does get tiresome when the novelty wears off when she becomes a slightly different girl in your bed (see what I did - fast forward - you're living together in your house now) who talks to mama a lot. how does the imaginary picture feel.