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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

Link to the Full Article: http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/...yet-again/

Yes, this is bad. But this is also the last hurrah. This can't last much longer.

I do think it's overkill saying this at the RVF forums, but don't settle down in the US unless your circumstances are somehow very exceptional and it makes sense for you.

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The love that my daughter and I shared was truly special. She is a such a sweet, kind and gentle spirit. I am so sorry that I will not be there to see her grow into a beautiful woman. It absolutely crushed me to not be in her life over the last three years. I worked very hard as a father to build her confidence and self-esteem. She is smart, funny and considerate, but she didn’t know it yet. I pray that she realizes her strengths and her confidence in herself will continue to grow. I love you dearly, [name redacted].

My son [name redacted] was just entering Kindergarten, when I lost access to him. He is gregarious, outgoing and a great athlete. He is smart and fearless. He could have just as much fun by himself as he could with other kids. Even the older boys in our neighbourhood wanted to play with [name redacted]. It absolutely breaks my heart that I will not be able to help him grow into a man. I love you to, [name redacted]. I miss you both so much.

My identity was taken from me, as result of this process. When it began, I was a commercial real estate broker with CB Richard Ellis. I lived by the Golden rule and made a living by bringing parties together and finding the common ground. My reputation as a broker was built on my honesty and integrity. When it ended, I was broke, homeless, unemployed and had no visitation with my own children.

I had no confidence and was paralyzed with fear that I would be going to jail whenever my ex-wife wanted. Nothing I could say or do would stop it. This is what being to death or ‘targeted’ by a psychopath looks like. This is the outcome. I didn’t somehow change into a ‘high-conflict’ person or lose my ability to steer clear of the law. I’ve had never been arrested, depressed, homeless or suicidal before this process. The stress and pressure applied to me was deliberate and nothing I could do or say would get me any relief. Nothing I or my attorneys said to my ex-wife’s attorney or to the Court made any difference. Truth, facts, evidence or even the best interest of my children had no affect on the outcome.

The family court system is broken, but from my experience, it is not the laws, its the lawyers. They feed off of the conflict. They are not hired to reduce conflict or protect the best interest of children, which is why third parties need to be involved. It should be mandatory for children to have a guardian ad litem, with extensive training in abuse and aggression.

It is absolutely shameful that the Fairfax County Court did nothing to intervene or understand the ongoing conflict. Judge Randy Bellows also used the Children as punishment, by withholding access for failing to fax a receipt. The entire conflict centered around the denial of access to the children, it was inconceivable to me that he would use children like this. This is exactly what my ex-wife was doing and now Judge Bellows was doing it for her.

To all my family, friends and the people that supported me through this process, I am so sorry. I know my reactions and behavior throughout this process did not always make sense. None of this made sense to me either. I had no help and the only suggestion I got from my attorneys was to remain silent.

At first, I did what I was told, remained silent and listened to my attorneys. Then after I had given my ex-wife full custody to try and appease her, I learned about Psychopathy and emailed Dr. Samenow about my concerns and asked him for help. Of course, I was ignored. As the conflict continued, I was forced to defend myself. When that didn’t work, I thought I could get the help I needed by speaking out. There is no right or wrong way to defend yourself from abuse. Naively, I thought that abuse was abuse and it would be recognized and something would be done. I thought speaking out would end the abuse or at least get them to back off. It didn’t. When no one did anything they were emboldened.

I took my own life because I had come to the conclusion that there was nothing I could do or say to end the abuse. Every time I got up off my knees, I would get knocked back down. They were not going to let me be the father I wanted to be to my children. People may think I am a coward for giving up on my children, but I didn’t see how I was going to heal from this. I have no money for an attorney, therapy or medication. I have lost four jobs because of this process. I was going to be at their mercy for the rest of my life and they had shown me none.

Being alienated, legally abused, emotionally abused, isolated and financially ruined are all a recipe for suicide. I wish I were stronger to keep going, but the emotional pain and fear of going to court and jail [because of exorbitant child support] became overwhelming. I became paralyzed with fear. I couldn’t flee and I could not fight. I was never going to be allowed to heal or recover. I wish I were better at articulating the psychological and emotional trauma I experienced.

I could fill a book with all the lies and mysterious rulings of the Court. Never have I experienced this kind of pain. I asked for help, but good men did nothing and evil prevailed. All I wanted was a Guardian Ad Litem for my children. Any third party would have been easily been able to confirm or refute all of my allegations, which is why none was ever appointed to protect the children or reduce the conflict.

Abuse is about power and control. Stand up for the abused and speak out. If someone speaks out about abuse, believe them.

Please teach my children empathy and about emotional invalidation and ‘gas-lighting’ or they may end up like me.

God have mercy on my soul.

Chris Mackney
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

It's stuff like this that make me sympathize with the MRA.

The bottom line though, is that things will change not through begging for our rights, but taking them. Men of America, black, white, other, and Aliens, we built the greatest country on earth. We have survived the unknown, infighting, and hardship. We can take on the cunts of our time.
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

I work in a professional environment with people that make about 100-300K. There are two good-looking, genial young guys out of the 10 or so people at my unit.

One guy is divorced and is paying about $2500 per month child support for two kids, one of which is special needs. He believes his wife could get more out of his 9500 per month gross if she wanted, so he hops to when the house needs repair or the like and pays so she doesn't come after him. He says she was from a lower educational class, and this was always a conflict.

One guy has SEVERAL kids, I think he's Catholic, I don't even know how much he's paying.

Both divorced. Both can never take a year off or even six months off FOR THE NEXT FIFTEEN-EIGHTEEN YEARS.

NO EXTENDED VACATIONS FOR THE NEXT FIFTEEN YEARS.

Fuck me, no way am I having kids in America.....
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

It's worse if you look at the web site. Dina Mackney, his bitch, is also suing sites for posting his letter. She is trying to claim copyright.
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

When you look at marriage in the west, and I mean western culture, you can come to only one conclusion. When you get married you are not a husband, you are a hostage. It's like being one of the victims of Amon Goethe from the movie Schindler's List. You're going about your day, living in fear, waiting for your spouse to snipe you off!

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I had embedded a video from the movie, but in light of recent events I decided to censor myself.

"Feminism is a trade union for ugly women"- Peregrine
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

Anyone with half a heart should feel sympathy for the MRA cause. However, it is their methods that we in this forum disagree with. Instead of promoting traditionalism, they advocate for equal laws. What they advocate is essentially feminism for men, something which cannot be good for the country as a whole.
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

Quote: (06-04-2014 11:02 AM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

Anyone with half a heart should feel sympathy for the MRA cause. However, it is their methods that we in this forum disagree with.

Why do you say "we"? I actually believe some of feminism's complaints, I'm in a minority here, but I believe that super-smart women sometimes get held back by men. They aren't the women I'm hot for, but I don't want bronze age ignorance like Saudi Arabia.

MOST of the physicians where I work are women, and the majority are very good. In the 1930s almost all of that talent would have gone to waste.

You seem to implicitly advocate "traditionalism"-- it's easy to use buzzwords like that, I personally look at what someone has done for humanity. It's easy to say "Let's return to traditionalism", but hard to go to medical school and become a doctor.

It's just there sure is an other side when you realize how men who have children can get reamed out with no way to get fairness.
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

The choice isn't between Saudi Arabia and the system today. The marriage laws in 1950's were extremely good. Many women became doctors and lawyers pre 1950, they were the exceptional women you are talking about, and the fields of education and nursing were filled with extremely competent women because women were doing jobs in line with their nature and proclivity.

All that is needed for traditionalism to dominate is the absence of the feminist transfer payments and family court system that shakes down males to achieve a gender utopia in present day America. Without the tyranny of the state complicit in ushering in the Family Law system of marriage, nature would take over, and the power of men's ability to provide would be reestablished in the mating sphere and would be extremely positive in causing more harmony among families, couples, and the sexes in general.

By using Saudi Arabia as the standard traditionalists wish to uphold, you are essentially lying and buying into the feminist talking point that women were treated unfairly in America's past. It's simply not the case.

Edit: In the 1930's that talent would not have gone to waste. There weren't as many women doctors then, but there were some, and lots of women nurses. Additionally, these bright, competent women you work with today have extremely low fertility compared to the intelligent and competent women of the 1930's. So, yea, today, these women are reaching there full potential professionally perhaps, but at what expense to future generations, who will be deprived of these women's genes? What if the effect of these women becoming physicians, as competent as they may be, is actually in effect, more negative in the long run than if they were forced by cultural norms to be mothers first and whose competent genetics were passed on to future generations?
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

Quote: (06-04-2014 11:05 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (06-04-2014 11:02 AM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

Anyone with half a heart should feel sympathy for the MRA cause. However, it is their methods that we in this forum disagree with.

Why do you say "we"? I actually believe some of feminism's complaints, I'm in a minority here, but I believe that super-smart women sometimes get held back by men. They aren't the women I'm hot for, but I don't want bronze age ignorance like Saudi Arabia.

MOST of the physicians where I work are women, and the majority are very good. In the 1930s almost all of that talent would have gone to waste.

It's just there sure is an other side when you realize how men who have children can get reamed out with no way to get fairness.

MRAs don't fight against the pussification of men & don't teach men how to adapt in the present day system like we (including you IKE) do. Instead, they complain about marriage laws and campaign to combat hostile marriage laws.

I apologize, I should have used 'traditional masculinity' instead of 'traditionalism'. MRAs don't want us to go back to being traditionally masculine, they want the laws to favor men as much as women. This will, in my opinion, lead to the further pussification of men. As a business owner, I believe in free job markets, which entails that women should have the right to work.
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

Ok, I'm going to go against the grain somewhat on this one. It is a sad event that this guy resorted to suicide but he started on the wrong foot. They guy gave her full custody to appease his ex wife? He was fucked from day one. He sounds like a nice guy who was broken by the system.

I think alot of men who get worked over in a divorce are the same kinds of guys that take dating advice from their mom or other women. I think many of these tragedies could be avoided if men took took their divorce like a 'crime in progress' immediately upon things going south. You wouldn't negotiate with home invader to just stay in the hallway, take a lamp and leave quietly, you want them out of the house, arrested, charged and kept away from you.

Last, he should have been on his attorney's ass instead of 'listening to them'. Challenge them and harass them moderately. Like anyone else in the professional services industry they have a shitload of clients and the quiet ones get ignored.

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
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A Man's Suicide Note Over Getting Screwed by the Family Court

The fact is, you don't have to be married to get sentenced to indentured servitude (child support) in America today. If you ever have kids, even outside of marriage, you are at the mercy of the courts. Marriage itself doesn't really make you susceptible to any additional risks on the child support front.
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Guy bets all his money on red and it came up black.

1 in 2 marriages end in divorce.

Don't get married.

Unless you like those odds.
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Is it either or? I feel like MRAs have the political agenda (divorce courts, custody laws, rape accusations, just treatment in society) and PUAs/MGTOW have the personal agenda (self-improvement, independence, physical/mental/spiritual/romatic well being etc.). PUA/MGTOW makes up for the personal/self-improvement element that the MRA agenda lacks, and vice versa.
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Its a zero sum game.

More women vote than men.

So - why will women ever give up their advantage in divorce courts to men?

There is no political incentive driving it.
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Quote: (06-04-2014 02:01 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Its a zero sum game.

More women vote than men.

So - why will women ever give up their advantage in divorce courts to men?

There is no political incentive driving it.

It isnt really a zero sum game. Women gain far far less than men lose. A woman would probably be worse off, if she took advantage of a guy, but another chick took advantage of a close male(like a brother). Broken families also mean the children suffer.

So the women really are just being selfish. Well more than that, they are being really retarded and just following groupthink.
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I really feel for the guy, but at the same time I gotta wonder why he or other guys in his situation just don't drain bank account* and head off to Thailand or the Philippines to start a new life. Yeah, your life as you know it is pretty much already dead when the family courts get through with you. You might as well end it by starting anew.

*There is a smart way and a stupid way to do this--I advocate the smart way.
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Quote: (06-04-2014 12:41 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Guy bets all his money on red and it came up black.

1 in 2 marriages end in divorce.

Don't get married.

Unless you like those odds.

50 years ago men had a half-ass excuse to not get married - in order to have fun, fuck many women and do whatever they wanted at the cost of having a family and passing down tradition.

Today, men have an incentive, not just an excuse, to not get married. You will be legally forced to be celibate for extended periods of time (or you could get divorced), you have a 50% chance of losing a good deal of what you own because a woman was "unhappy" (when are they ever happy?), their kids will grow up to be losers/sluts, etc.

I am losing sympathy for any man who gets married today. You're not special. You are betting your assets, several years of income and a healthy sex life on a woman never becoming unhappy.
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Quote: (06-04-2014 02:21 PM)cooledcannon Wrote:  

Quote: (06-04-2014 02:01 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Its a zero sum game.

More women vote than men.

So - why will women ever give up their advantage in divorce courts to men?

There is no political incentive driving it.

It isnt really a zero sum game. Women gain far far less than men lose. A woman would probably be worse off, if she took advantage of a guy, but another chick took advantage of a close male(like a brother). Broken families also mean the children suffer.

So the women really are just being selfish. Well more than that, they are being really retarded and just following groupthink.

This made me think of something...where are the sisters? I am sure divorced men have sisters that are also mothers. I have none but maybe some of you do or have stories about a sister's reaction to her brother getting divorced raped. How do they react?

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
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Quote: (06-04-2014 09:47 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Link to the Full Article: http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/...yet-again/

For every two that kill themselves, one other will go postal.

Or what is the ratio? You tell me. Anyone worked it out yet? It must be possible.

I would wager though, that more Men kill themselves than take it out on other people. In fact, Real Men kill themselves before killing other innocents, but I am being romantic here and not taking into consideration Men, whose mind's crack and are indiscriminate with their violence.

Now is not the time for academic studies. In regard to your post, here was a man that had had too much, and did what he felt he had to do. At the time. Again, if he had found a resource and refuge here amongst kindred spirits, he might be alive today.

When his soul is laid to rest, maybe then we can ask some of the 'big questions' as they say.

This whole thing of ours is about so much more than 'game'. It is about support. If only we could have reached him. A world of shit he was in for sure. But no worse than others around here have endured and overcome.


We could have helped him. You could have helped him.
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Quote: (06-04-2014 02:32 PM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  

I really feel for the guy, but at the same time I gotta wonder why he or other guys in his situation just don't drain bank account* and head off to Thailand or the Philippines to start a new life. Yeah, your life as you know it is pretty much already dead when the family courts get through with you. You might as well end it by starting anew.

*There is a smart way and a stupid way to do this--I advocate the smart way.

On a cursory reading of his letter, it would appear that he cared more about his children than money, and I'm guessing that even if he travelled to the Philippines and smashed foreign pussy left, right and centre there would still be an emptiness in him because he knew the raw deal his kids would be getting.

It would be easy, as a male, to be angry at that letter, but you know? I feel sad more than anything else. Sad that - prima facie - a kid has lost a role model and his father in growing up. Sad that - prima facie - a bitch who is clearly out to inflict hurt rather than what is best for the child has won. Sad that lawyers have put money ahead of human decency.

The courts say that their decisions are made with the best interests of the child as top consideration. I don't believe them. The decisions are made in favour of the more vindictive and intransigent party.

(the mother claiming copyright over the suicide note? If this is true, it is utterly disgusting and a pathetic attempt to 'save face' in front of both strangers and those who know her)
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This is an interesting story. The ex-wife is suing all the websites who publish the letter for copyright infringement.
Her name is Dina Mackney for those who would like to find more on her.
Her father's name is Pete Scamardo. He was an associate of Charles Harrelson (father of Woody Harrelson). He assisted Harrelson in the 1968 murder of Charles Degelia. He has been named in over 100 lawsuits in Fairfax Co, VA over the years. He's obviously a convicted felon.

The divorce apparently was going smoothly until Chris Mackney discovered what a piece of shit his father in law is, at which point, the father in law got involved, hired new attorneys for his daughter, and things went downhill fast for Chris Mackney.
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I don't see what any of this has to do with marriage? if the guy had a baby and they weren't married, he still gets screwed by the family court system.
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Quote: (06-04-2014 11:12 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

The choice isn't between Saudi Arabia and the system today.

>>true, I was sort of exaggerating to make a point.


All that is needed for traditionalism to dominate is the absence of the feminist transfer payments and family court system that shakes down males to achieve a gender utopia in present day America.

>>I like your point here, I am all for reinstating at-fault divorce, except for the costs of the he-said, she-said trials. The family court system is hosed. I don't even thing there is an appeals system, is there? Maybe strong presumption of equally shared custody with no forced money exchange would be a useful idea. The partners could opt-in to this choice before marriage.

By using Saudi Arabia as the standard traditionalists wish to uphold, you are essentially lying and buying into the feminist talking point that women were treated unfairly in America's past. It's simply not the case.


>.I think you've got a miss there. They couldn't even vote. If you're going to try to sell that, you might as well try to sell Sharia law. I'm not lying just expressing opinions, which may or may not be well-founded lollzl.

today, these women are reaching there full potential professionally perhaps, but at what expense to future generations,.... What if the effect of these women becoming physicians, as competent as they may be, is actually in effect, more negative in the long run than if they were forced by cultural norms to be mothers first and whose competent genetics were passed on to future generations?

>.this is a good point and I see no answer....it's impossible to "force" people to become mothers without totalitarianism, maybe instead of spending money on family court enforcement, we could spend money paying women over a certain IQ to have kids before 25, something to that effect. Then it wouldn't be punitive.
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I feel extremely bad for writing this, but in this situation his best option, if you can call it one, would have been to say fuck everything and my kids and fly away! Man oh man these good guys that they tell us to be are the one that they fuck over! Having kids is dangerous now in the Western world!
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Quote: (06-04-2014 10:29 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

I feel extremely bad for writing this, but in this situation his best option, if you can call it one, would have been to say fuck everything and my kids and fly away! Man oh man these good guys that they tell us to be are the one that they fuck over! Having kids is dangerous now in the Western world!

Why do you feel bad about writing that? It's not like his kids are starving, tribal Africans. This is the U.S. we're talking about. Free food, education, and healthcare. Not every child gets to grow up Upper Middle Class.

Agreed with GTFO. One-way plane ticket to Russia, Nicaragua, Ethiopia, etc. with some gold coins in your pocket and some cash. Start over and live off the grid. Didn't anyone catch Ed Norton's "25th Hour" movie?
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