Quote: (06-07-2014 08:44 AM)dog24 Wrote:
Quote: (06-05-2014 02:44 AM)Distant Light Wrote:
Ugh dude thinks nightlife is all about just chasing chicks, ha!! Nightlife life is a social lifestyle
Its all built to get people together in a social setting. Dude is focused way to much on girls calling it a waste of time and better off buying a hooker.
Hanging in a mixed group is so much fun, sharing stories and remembering past adventures.
Lets be honest, guys go to nightclubs with the idea that they can go out alone find a girl standing alone who they can go talk to, dance for a while and then take her home. Is that even possible anymore?
What im seeing for the last couple of years is girls completely closed off in their social circles, instead of just hanging out at their homes they decide to go to the nightclub and drink there. Sometimes they dont even turn around to reject guys. They have no interest in meeting them no matter who they are.
And also these type of girls are not attention whoring, in fact they prefer to be left alone.
The other thing i notice is that a nightclub these days is just a place where people meet up, like a girl texts the guy theyre already fucking at 2-3 am and then the guy shows up.
You guys talk about having a place on lock, befriending promotors, or engaging large groups of guys and girls, why dont i just throw a party at my house if i have to do all that just to open some random girl?
So is a nightclub really the best place to meet girls, (if that is your only goal), i would say its not anymore, its probably better to do even daygame at this point.
What results do most men get?
The men I know who have more women then they can ever handle, all of them hang within the nightlife for the FUN LIFESTYLE, whereas most guys are TRYING TO GET LAID. The irony is that getting laid is a byproduct of living your LIFESTYLE.
One of my earliest experiences that I never forgot to this day, a guy comes out for his 2 guy friends. Doorman says NO, he pleads for this favor. Doorman replies, "No one told you to bring 2 guys"...
From that day forward I stopped going out with guys and rolled either solo or with women. I'd later learn that all the REGULARS were essentially "connectors" who collaborated with other connectors. From LA to parts of europe it is a collaboration of "connectors" who have their own resources. (connects, social circles, access, etc)
That said, a person focused solely on GETTING LAID is doing himself a massive disservice in so many ways...
Imagine having a "shared" memorable experience with 2 of your closest mates in a mixed group setting consisting of both female friends and new randoms. Not only do you get to enjoy the whole experience BUT months later you guys bring up the story and get to hear/laugh/joke about the experience from different perspectives.
Quote: (06-07-2014 02:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Quote: (06-06-2014 02:11 PM)Distant Light Wrote:
Quote: (06-06-2014 12:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Let's talk real talk:
What percentage of guys in clubs get some pussy from it? 5%? I think I'm being generous. From my club days usually only 1% of the guys in the club would pull.
Most girls today come as a huge group, and maybe one of those girls will hook-up with a guy.
Hate to burst anyone's bubble... clubs definitely suck for the average guy and are a huge waste of time.
This is similar to the "uninformed" guys who pay bar tabs and show up expecting just to hit on chicks, only to realize the hotties are all at tables with huge groups.
It's a social setting, BE SOCIAL, chicks will be fascinated as they observe and see what your about within these social settings. In the past when I was hardcore pickup man at times he would seem like a unprofitable thing BUT now it feels like clockwork where if I am in the same room as a girl "out n about" I will most likely be able to effortlessly meet her and potentially have abit of fun between each other.
The only guy who is uninformed here is the one who doesn't know who he is talking to.
I've actually broken down how to get laid in night clubs without giving out lame, bullshit advice like "Be Social," which is so easy even a chimpanzee can do it.
See those green rep points on the right? Try clicking on mine and become informed. Not to mention, I've given you rep, so it's hilarious for you to try and talk down to me. I understand you are legit so there's no need for chest-beating.
For someone who is so good at being social, you sure are failing hard here.
Quote:McQueen Wrote:
I lump nightlife denialists in with game denialists.
Just because you tried it a handful of times, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
If it was easy as pie everyone would kickass in nightlife game. It takes EFFORT in the beginning to set up your social contacts and get spots On Lock, but once the honey flows it's sweeter than anything.
Shout out to DistantLight, I believe we may have been separated at birth Laugh
No denialism here. I'm not saying you can't get laid at night clubs. I'm saying only the top 1%-5% get laid. I know this because I've been that man many times. I also figured out how to get laid at clubs without going VIP or stuff like that, because I don't want to invest large amounts of time in the night life world. I want to go in, grab a slut, and get out. That's my attitude toward game. It's cool if you feel differently, but I know many men feel the same way as me.
Game is zero-sum and anyone who denies this is the true denialist. You may be able to reach the top tier but please don't try and sugarcoat things. Keep it real. Find your fishbowl.
For example, I get laid all the time through dancing. Do I think the average guy can do this? Absolutely not. Most guys would be blown away if they saw me do a dance-floor pickup, it's completely beyond their reality. Fewer than 5% of the men at any given dance night pull, fact of life, and this is true of every single pussy venue in the world.
I have NEVER seen a single venue where the majority of men get laid... except at a whorehouse.
Not talking down to you at all simply stating my observation...
"Uninformed" as in the guy who simply unaware of how nightlife works because he is a weekend warrior who spends most of his week working...For him dropping a bar tab for quick access is nothing...He's still IN just it isn't necessary if he took a step back to look "behind the scenes"
That said, 99% of men who ever heard BE SOCIAL were all coming from the intention of TRYING TO GET LAID. When I say "be social" I'm talking about legit "high on life" due to the fact that your actually socializing with people and having fun interactions. Whether it be bouncing around throughout the room or actually introducing people to each other.
Most "community" dudes aren't SOCIAL some are just competent at hitting on chicks. Simply ask them "how many men have got laid due to him?"...
This type of stuff occured to me as I started to notice...
- How is it "this non-community guy" could have 600+ models in his contacts (with the help of cold approaching during the daytime) and partying with mr gatsby actor in cannes.
- How is it so many "competent" community guys out there and both their social life and sex life doesn't even come close (and will most likely never come close due to different perspectives.)
Quote: (06-07-2014 03:33 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:
I was reading one of Sameau's old threads (http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-8341.html) when I came across a quote pertinent to this thread:
Quote:MikeCF Wrote:
When guys talk shit about clubs or say "club game is dead," I ask, "Do you dance?"
Dancing itself is a dead art in the United States. Nowadays, dancing is just a codeword for grinding. Pretty sure that someone who can actually dance well can easy pull from the dancefloor. (I remember reading somewhere that girls like good dancers because they think they're good in bed too)
Conclusion - Nightclubs aren't worth your time if you're not a dancer or can't get into VIP.
As for bars, I'd say go to bars to drink and have a good time, not to get laid. If there's a girl in your group who you like, hit on her. But IME girls come if you're social and outgoing. The guy who's always the life of the party rarely has prolonged dry spells.
Gotta disagree bigtime...
I DANCE, you will almost never see me grind (fucking hate that shit) and if a chick tries to do it I will simply do my normal dancing and twist slapping/biting her ass in the mix.
Most places I go to have bottle service, no dancefloor (sofa & tables!!) the times I go to warehouse parties though I stand right infront of the DJ or near a speakers which ever is least crowded. (Big festivals I'm all the way in the back away from the crowd)
At the end of the day, SEX is a byproduct of being social/fun. Social circles hookup amongst each other because they were all going out socializing and having fun...shit just happened...
Quote: (06-07-2014 07:22 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:
Distant Light and McQueen, I understand that you're in the night life business. It is your line of work, so you would have way more time to spend there and by nature enjoy it more than the rest of us. It's easy for you to say "Be Social". For us who work and live elsewhere and don't have a lot of time to spend at night clubs, that's not so easy. Building up relationships with club staff takes time. Talking to strangers when the music is deafening is very challenging, not to mention that the vast majority of people nowadays come with large group of friends and don't want to be social.
And regardless of the "excuses", you guys should pay attention to what we're saying. We're better informed than the average betas out there, and the moment this is believed (whether true or not) by those betas, the night clubs will be dead. Your business and the night clubs depend on those betas to spend their money hoping to get laid. Unlike you, the majority of us do not find night clubs all that appealing outside of getting laid. This includes guys like Samseau and myself who are good dancers.
Overpriced booze, noise pollution, staff with sticks up their arses and most of all, anti-social clientele glued to their phones or in tight closed groups of friends aren't our ideas of a good time.
I don't work in nightlife... (although I wished I could be a VIP Host for one of the top groups)
IMO, this is one of the "pop culture" illusions making it seem like it is HARD. (So people spend cash for supposed "quick access") Truth is I never did it up how I wanted to. (If I did, I think I would've been personally contracted by directors of marketing themselves.) Regardless, the low level that I did things, certain clubs thought I was a "model scout".
NOTE, this isn't towards you, it's something that always irked me from back in my RSD days. We supposedly were learning how to attract women yet we can't simply meet a few chicks out and invite them to come along? How did I get into "high end scene"...
A. I said to myself "DL you know how to have alot of fun so just HAVE FUN"
B. When you meet people, invite them out
C. Go to the venues that you want to connect with
1st week, vogue model chick adds me on facebook and says "last night was so much fun, we should do it up again". Show up on a tuesday, meet a random chick. (who I take home) Go back tuesday solo, meet the gay promoter who the girl I pulled last week introduced me to. (Hungout with him for about 4 months atleast 1x a week)
2nd week in, invite this chick out who the night we met clearly wanted to hookup. She has a bf, I told her bring him, while out she states that she is hitting a hipster venue that just opened, asks if I want to come along. YEP!!! She introduces me to her friends there, I say to him "I like this spot, I don't hangout with any guys BUT I can bring some of my girls to come hang here." (For 6 months almost every friday I was there. Staff knew me as the crazy guy who is always raging.)
This type of stuff isn't possible for the average guy because they're so focused on getting laid, it's easy to spot a straight guy...
- Standing alone, scanning the room
- If in conversation doesn't want to focus attention on any outside factors
- Sticks with the ONE GIRL all night
- Having the least amount of fun in the room
- Isn't with any "mixed group" (he's here to get laid why bring sand to the beach)
- If friends show up, goes quiet and/or figuring out how to handle logistics and "get the girl"
Bottomline, if your "competent" at cold approach, meaning a you can comfortably approach a chick and things are atleast neutral, then YOU ARE PERFECTLY CAPABLE.
Quote: (06-07-2014 10:28 PM)Daddy Wrote:
I couldn't stand watching this guy for more than 20 seconds. Why would I listen to what he says? He has a female brain. I just know I won't relate to anything he will say and I don't trust his opinion.
Hahahaahhahahaha one of the greatest comments about me I've ever read...
That said, I wouldn't want anyone to trust me, the world is out there for you to explore for yourself based on your own experiences. What I will say is I fucking LOVE MY LIFE hahahaha. An the fact that my life is in its infant stages..
Were all on our own path as I say, go with what you deem most profitable.
P.S...Fun fact, I learnt about sexuality from hanging with my LGBT social circle and seeing how uptight straight men are when it comes to women and sex. (No I'm not gay nor bi) Had I not been open-minded about what I was seeing amongst friends of such lifestyles (bi, crossdressers, trannies, etc) I would've never had so many wild sexual experiences. (sex on edge of a roof, fingering chicks at the table, sex infront of people, public sex becoming the norm, learning a way to always have 3somes/orgies, etc)