[Byron]

(02-23-2015 10:02 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:  

1200 approached is a damn lot and I respect you for it and it makes me want you to succeed.

I personally drew A LOT of value from hanging out with other game guys. Good wingmen have also increased my chances of pulling. I joined a Mastermind group which meets weekly to discuss game & self-improvement topics, which taught me all of the basics without having to make the mistakes myself.

Maybe you should consider getting a wingman? Maybe consider creating or joining a mastermind group?

I've learned a lot more a lot faster from people better than me, than I've learned through personal experience. Find a daygame guy who's competent, at the very least with the ability to consistently get numbers AND dates from daygame, and become his friend. He can enjoy the mentor role, you can enjoy the mentee role.

Hope this helps.

Thanks man. Since you say "mastermind" I'm assuming you mean you joined RSD? I've yet to find someone who can CONSISTENTLY get dates from cold approach daygame. I'd define consistent as 1 date a week purely from cold approach daygame. Your advice leads to something I've considered which is just paying for a coach. That'll be the final step before I truly quit. At that point I could state definitively that I failed.

[civpro]

Have you tried Tinder? If you are in shape like you say are and have a decent face then it's just a matter of

a) Having good pics
b) Mashing the green heart button 30,000 times

It can take your mind off the difficulty you're facing doing daygame

[Byron]

Hey Civpro,

Beat you to it. After swiping my 50 mile radius I got two or three numbers from there that went nowhere... I found it more difficult and demoralizing to be honest.

[Byron]

When Three People Tell You You've Got A Green Tail...You Turn Around and Look

On my twitter I post "live" accounts of what's happening as I do daygame/night street game. Usually it's something earth-shattering like, "aw...another IHAB" or "my feet hurt." Anyway, there I ran into this dude "Holistic Game." He's been giving me some pointers (he also emailed me pics/proof of his conquests so I know he's legit plus he's in touch with other "known" dudes). He did a podcast with one of the girls he's banging where he answered my question: "has she ever been on a date and kissed a guy goodnight that she felt she had no chemistry with?":

https://holisticgame.wordpress.com/2015/...sy-galore/

P.s. in that podcast Holistic runs some game concepts like "female abundance of sexual options" and "solipsism" by his chick and she totally denies them. It's baffling. And then latter she agrees that the female sex drive is higher than mens . For those reasons alone I thought it was an interesting listen.

So that first question the two of them answered in the podcast was based on my latest date flop - see the earlier post "I'm Still Trying. Do You Think That Makes Me Crazy?" At first I was upset with their responses. The first thing the two of them launched into was that the girl could have picked up on hints of neediness or emotional volatility and decided to bail on further meetings. While my default reaction to criticism is defensive I've really struggled to train myself to lean back and search for any nuggets of truth. It reminded me of Captain Gh's comment about my "Inner Game" being weak.

I'm trying to live this lesson from my second favorite RooshV post:

Quote:

As an added benefit, being summarily rejected so many times removes a layer of ego from your cortex that acts as a self-protection mechanism to truth discovery. The more you’ve been rejected—and survive—the less likely you will lie to yourself when presented with experience that conflicts with what you have been previously taught.

http://www.rooshv.com/the-5-paths-to-realizing-truth

In this case I think that Holistic Game and his girl Dee were right. Captain Gh pointed out something similar to what they said (thanks Cap) and I've taken the three of them very, very seriously. I think the year and a half (and counting) worth of rejections - i.e. over 1,000 "sorry you're not good enoughs" - have done some damage to me mentally.

Sometimes this means I'll sometimes take neutral signals as catastrophic tells of impending failure. My ultimate conclusion now is that I think the date was a flop because I indirectly displayed neeeeeeeeeeeeddiiiiness. And by neediness what I mean is that I displayed just too much availability and eagerness to be in her company. Pretending to disagree with her a few times about simple stuff was not enough to mask it.

The only way to fix this problem in the future is for me to have a few successes (I think) or to at least get to that check point - day 2's - more frequently. They have to become regular occurrences. Until then I can only fake it.

[Byron]

Infield Posted On My Twitter Account

I don't now if any of you have ever done this before but I've just posted an infield. I've done everything in my power to make this infield as watchable as possible.It's 8 minutes long, in HD, has good audio, captions of all the conversation, you can see the girl's reactions during most of it, and annotations are included. If any of you could give me feedback I'd appreciate that.

The link is my latest tweet (see my twitter profile linked in my signature directly below).

[edtf]

Byron you did a good job, your opener and transition was pretty solid. You built comfort, and the chick was digging you and asking a lot of personal questions, you got the number because she had exams. Congrats!

[Byron]

Thanks EDTF.

That's how many of my approaches look. Like most girls she didn't reply to my texts. That game I displayed isn't enough. I appreciated your encouragement though.

[Byron]

Update: I Pulled Two Girls To My Room Today - No Bangs Though

I want to give you all another update. This should be encouraging if you're out there struggling with Game like me. Today I approached 5 women. Maybe 6. I instant dated two of them and managed to get them into my room. One girl told me she had a boyfriend before the instant date. I carried on anyway and got her in my room. After I went for the kiss once she claimed "I have a boyfriend. It's monogamous!!" and left a few minutes later.

The other girl I didn't escalate that far with despite getting her in my room. I let her go because while there was much sexual tension I just wasn't that into her. I'm sure some of you have been there?

Today I had a date scheduled. She flaked.

This day of activity was more loaded than probably my entire first 6 months in the Game. Is it luck? Possibly. I believe that there's an element of luck here as well as some sort of incremental developments in my Game/attitude that are leading to more results and faster. 4 months ago it took multiple months to get a date scheduled. In the last 3 months I've had at least one scheduled each month (maybe two).


I'm glad I didn't completely quit like I wanted to. I also got one number close tonight. We'll see if she responds tomorrow.

If you're out there trying to learn this I feel for you. Keep going. You might be able to do it. I think I really might be able to do it. If I can see slow improvements you can too.

[Byron]

LAY REPORT


Yes, it finally happened...After years of rejection, scorn, self-abasement, confusion, and inner turmoil I scored a lay from cold approach daygame. Keep in mind that I have been gaming since I joined this forum in 2013. Since the time of my last post on 03/26/2015, nearly a year ago, I almost gave up hope on the potential for success. I almost accepted that this simply could not work for me, for whatever reason. I remember reading Roosh's post on failure and thinking "this is it, I have truly, truly failed." I looked into my mirror and a gaunt, hollow, expression stared back at me. I had dieted down from 13% to 9% BF, hoping that my newfound abs and cheekbones would help me somehow. They did not.

For months I couldn't bare to try anymore. The thought of even lacing my shoes for the purpose of gaming...was sickening. But the longer I stayed away, the louder a small voice in my head became. It kept wondering sometimes aloud, what if I just tried one more time? What if I just gave it one more week? What if I had had been digging all this time for gold that was just around the corner? What if?

So, a few days ago I gave it one more week. Just one. Only one. For what felt like the dozenth time I made a promise to myself that if I DIDN'T SUCCEED I WOULD NEVER, EVER, EVER TRY AGAIN.

I went out and did 5 approaches. On my last approach of the day I went indirect, built a connection, and ran GALNUC on a cute mixed girl.

3 days later I was balls deep. The only thing greater than the satisfaction of orgasm, and her good morning text the following day, was the knowledge that I stuck it out for so long in utter agony.


Always believe.


Goodbye

I am leaving the Game now. Although I have done much work on myself, the level of effort and magnitude of rejection for me to achieve a mutual attraction is far too great to endure. I simply cannot game regularly, knowing that the pay off may not come for years. I give up - but I couldn't do so without at least one success first. The peace I feel now tells me that I can pursue other endeavors with equal tenacity - the rewards will be far greater and more regular, likely.

Thank you to Roosh for creating this forum and to everyone who gave me assistance throughout my posting here, assuming that you remember me.

[ChickenLover9T9]

Pre-emptive apologies for the thread necro but I read this in its entirety and I shed a tear on the final post.

1 in 1200 is reason enough to quit. I understand and respect that decision.

At the same time, you could have turned a corner. You have done what 99.999% of the world's male population have never done. I would be curious if the fruits of your labor start to come more frequently now. If you multiplied your results x10, for approx. 1%, would you be happy with that? It's still on the low end. x20 and above I'm not sure is realistic.

Regardless of possible future success, though, no one can underestimate the toll your experiences could have taken on your psyche. I have not done 1200 daytime approaches, but I am still affected by some of my negative experiences to this day.

There have been a few useful posts about the possibility of social tics/awkward vibe and it's true, women can sense it. There's some unspoken "energy" a man gives out that a woman is drawn to. Likewise women are repulsed by certain types of energy. I'm just speculating here.

If I were you at this point, I'd take some time off daygame, possibly quit, concentrate on making money then GTFO to the Philippines. 1 in 1200 is just unnecessary self-harm.

Now everyone complaining about Krauser's "low" 3% conversion rate might STFU. Day game is brutal, there's a reason why so few men do it.

[churros]

I just came across this brutal thread. Jesus, guy should have done a boot camp with a professional. Something was obviously way off with his game.

[MathGuy]

(08-28-2016 11:00 AM)churros Wrote:  

I just came across this brutal thread. Jesus, guy should have done a boot camp with a professional. Something was obviously way off with his game.

Something tells me that he might have seen much greater success with only a few minor adjustments. He clearly did a great job of demolishing approach anxiety. Maybe he was nexting girls too soon? Maybe he wasn't putting enough effort into getting them over to his place, or getting himself over to their place? There must have been more than just 1 in the 1200 who would be willing to lay him if logistics were improved.

I'm still a newbie myself, so I can only make guesses based on my very limited experience. This thread inspires and worries me at the same time.