[ddjembe mutombo]

I've noticed the popular opinion on this boards that "good girls" simply do not exist. While this may be true in most social settings, it still remains false in the context of population.

I grew up in a conservative and Christian household. I attended a Baptist private school through middle school, and I was an active member of a couple religious organizations during my years at university in upstate New York. With good luck, I have always been "tall", handsome, and possessed a sharp wit. Due to those genetic benefits, I have been considered attractive since puberty.

That being said, throughout my life I have been pursued by and dated many "good girls". These were girls that had exactly no baggage, great relationships with their family, and overwhelmingly feminine. However, as years passed and I finished my time at college I realized that all of these women I let walk were actually coveted for LTR and marriage. During my junior year (2008) I began to reflect on why I was making these decisions given one of my goal in colleges was to graduate with a lovely wife as my parents did.

During my reflection I noticed a reoccurring trend regarding my relationships with these women. They were simply too spotless for a deeper connection. They either believed alcohol was evil, R rated movies were off-limits, sex should be saved for marriage, etcetera. I couldn't connect with these delicate flowers because I enjoyed uncensored art, an occasional alcoholic beverage, and reasonable physical intimacy. Therefore, spending even an hour alone with them seemed incredibly dull and boring.

I praise their fathers and mothers for raising such a fine offspring. If I were a father, I would want my daughter to be that way. However, I came to the conclusion that the sacrifice to maintain a personal relationship with a "good girl" was just too much. These girls are raised to be with guys that find joy in their cubicles and suburban homes.

I continue to attend church regularly, and I continue to meet "good girls". I am constantly reminded in my conversation with them why we are not "meant to be". I am still a very tame man who finds joy in fitness and music, but the sacrifice required to maintain a personal relationship with someone of that level will always be more than I can willingly give.

I hope this post helps those out there wondering where all of the "good girls" have gone.

[Christian McQueen]

Ah but the joy remains in 'corrupting' girls like that.

Once you unleash the sexual side of girls like that they turn into your personal nymphos.

[AntiTrace]

(05-29-2014 07:47 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Ah but the joy remains in 'corrupting' girls like that.

Once you unleash the sexual side of girls like that they turn into your personal nymphos.

truth.

slept with a virgin. 20 years old. rarely talks to boys. religious.

had her for about a week to myself. It was a drunken lust filled week.

Then she went home.

A few days pass and the naked snap chats start pouring in, practically begging to see me again.

I know I wont be her last, but all I know is every guy after me owes me a beer. A good IPA, none of that PBR shit.

Your welcome America.

[Goldmund]

Corrupting them in many ways...not just dirtier sex.

My favorites are the girls (the "good girls") who have just moved to the city...either from East Europe or from middle America and showing them a life of late nights, dance parties, rock n roll, outdoor adventures, drugs and guns.

Regular life for me is like something out of a flim for them.

Its a pleasure to be the one they will remember.

[Onto]

What we really want is both the good girl and the bad girl. Problem is, the characteristics of each are not just contradictory but antinomic, meaning the very definition of the good requires the non-existence of the bad and vice-versa.

Sure, it's fun to turn a good girl into a bad one, but then you've let the genie out of the bottle and she no longer is the sweet good girl anymore. Same if you convert a slut into a nun.

The answer is to try an find someone that is enough of a balance between the two that's right for you.

[Christian McQueen]

(05-29-2014 08:24 PM)Onto Wrote:  

What we really want is both the good girl and the bad girl. Problem is, the characteristics of each are not just contradictory but antinomic, meaning the very definition of the good requires the non-existence of the bad and vice-versa.

Sure, it's fun to turn a good girl into a bad one, but then you've let the genie out of the bottle and she no longer is the sweet good girl anymore. Same if you convert a slut into a nun.

The answer is to try an find someone that is enough of a balance between the two that's right for you.

No. We want a good girl that's bad for us only.

Big difference.

I have no problem dating 'good girls' who are 'bad' with me, just not the rest of Los Angeles.

[AneroidOcean]

(05-29-2014 08:24 PM)Onto Wrote:  

What we really want is both the good girl and the bad girl. Problem is, the characteristics of each are not just contradictory but antinomic, meaning the very definition of the good requires the non-existence of the bad and vice-versa.

Sure, it's fun to turn a good girl into a bad one, but then you've let the genie out of the bottle and she no longer is the sweet good girl anymore. Same if you convert a slut into a nun.

The answer is to try an find someone that is enough of a balance between the two that's right for you.

[General Mayhem]

Here's the thing.

You can crack the code and unlock the freak that exists within a good girl. That doesn't automatically make her a bad girl.

You are still the only one who has the key.

[Onto]

(05-29-2014 08:29 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:24 PM)Onto Wrote:  

What we really want is both the good girl and the bad girl. Problem is, the characteristics of each are not just contradictory but antinomic, meaning the very definition of the good requires the non-existence of the bad and vice-versa.

Sure, it's fun to turn a good girl into a bad one, but then you've let the genie out of the bottle and she no longer is the sweet good girl anymore. Same if you convert a slut into a nun.

The answer is to try an find someone that is enough of a balance between the two that's right for you.

No. We want a good girl that's bad for us only.

Big difference.

I have no problem dating 'good girls' who are 'bad' with me, just not the rest of Los Angeles.

I agree that is the wish, but I think we lose our attraction to her as "good" girl when she starts to become bad.

Not unlike when we desire a woman to be a rational, logical person that's intelligent and can think and sees the world the way we do. If she fulfills all of that she loses here free-flowing feminity and becomes boring to us.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I have never found myself irritated by these good girl "shortcomings" that you describe, at least not enough to dump them. For example, I had a girlfriend who was really warm towards me and required zero game, but was also a bit clingy and wanted to talk on the phone more than I liked. Whenever it started getting on my nerves, I reminded myself that it's the part of the package. I'd feel hypocritical if I made her be cool with not hearing from me for days, yet demanded her to maintain the same level of affection.

Guess it's just not such a big deal to me.

[Anthony A. King]

I believe ultimately what every man wants is a nice sweet feminine women who engages in casual sex with only them (i.e. you).

Lady in the streets, freak in the sheets.

Which is why you game feminine women and when you get them engage in rough, nymphomaniac sex, keep the frame and then their all yours. That doesn't make her a slut that makes her the perfect women. The problem comes if you start to lose frame and she starts showing slutty behavior in public and/or starts going out acting like a slut. that's when a "good girl" has gone bad- i.e. she's everyone's slut now.

[ColSpanker]

It's called the Madonna Vs. Whore complex. Womenists love to rattle on and on about it.
And, unfortunately, the women who want to give you oral pleasure in the parking lot are seldom the same ones who make good mothers.
The Suzy Cream-cheese who wants to be a good mother to your children and faithful wife is not the same person who you can take to fetish events in a dog collar.
Happy mediums are hard to find too.

[MongolianAbroad]

(05-29-2014 07:45 PM)ddjembe mutombo Wrote:  

I hope this post helps those out there wondering where all of the "good girls" have gone.

I've also seen that, in America, at least nowadays, "good girls" are strongly correlated with religious fanaticism, which, like you mentioned, comes with a host of issues. The lack of critical thinking that correlates strongly with religious fanaticism (or any other kind of fanaticism) pours over into other areas of life. For example, a past acquaintance of mine that's a religious fanatic (still is), married a religious fanatic like him, and she divorced him for watching porn (that was the sole reason, he wasn't cheating or doing anything else that's abusive, he simply refused to stop watching it and she refused to stay married to him). I didn't ask him exactly how much porn he was watching, lol, and whether he wasn't performing his husbandly duties, hahaha, that's none of my business, so yeah, it's possible there was a "real" issue, but for the sake of argument, let's assume the issue was superficial porn viewing, which is what he claimed.

The main issue is that a woman that's a religious fanatic of the kind we have in America is already "married to God," and you're kind of shooting for 3rd wheel. That scenario, of me having a third party influencing matters in a relationship that is supposed to be between two people, is completely unacceptable to me.

My suggestion is to find good girls in America that are good, but who are not religious fanatics, or go abroad, like I've done. In other countries, there are plenty of "good girls" that are not religious fanatics, so they won't have all the usual hangups common with that crowd.

[jamaicabound]

(05-29-2014 07:45 PM)ddjembe mutombo Wrote:  

I've noticed the popular opinion on this boards that "good girls" simply do not exist. While this may be true in most social settings, it still remains false in the context of population.

I grew up in a conservative and Christian household. I attended a Baptist private school through middle school, and I was an active member of a couple religious organizations during my years at university in upstate New York. With good luck, I have always been "tall", handsome, and possessed a sharp wit. Due to those genetic benefits, I have been considered attractive since puberty.

That being said, throughout my life I have been pursued by and dated many "good girls". These were girls that had exactly no baggage, great relationships with their family, and overwhelmingly feminine. However, as years passed and I finished my time at college I realized that all of these women I let walk were actually coveted for LTR and marriage. During my junior year (2008) I began to reflect on why I was making these decisions given one of my goal in colleges was to graduate with a lovely wife as my parents did.

During my reflection I noticed a reoccurring trend regarding my relationships with these women. They were simply too spotless for a deeper connection. They either believed alcohol was evil, R rated movies were off-limits, sex should be saved for marriage, etcetera. I couldn't connect with these delicate flowers because I enjoyed uncensored art, an occasional alcoholic beverage, and reasonable physical intimacy. Therefore, spending even an hour alone with them seemed incredibly dull and boring.

I praise their fathers and mothers for raising such a fine offspring. If I were a father, I would want my daughter to be that way. However, I came to the conclusion that the sacrifice to maintain a personal relationship with a "good girl" was just too much. These girls are raised to be with guys that find joy in their cubicles and suburban homes.

I continue to attend church regularly, and I continue to meet "good girls". I am constantly reminded in my conversation with them why we are not "meant to be". I am still a very tame man who finds joy in fitness and music, but the sacrifice required to maintain a personal relationship with someone of that level will always be more than I can willingly give.

I hope this post helps those out there wondering where all of the "good girls" have gone.

I definately get where your comming from. I've often been uphappy in the calibur of women I find not in terms of looks but loyalty, just being a good person, not being a whore, etc. It's somewhat my own fault as thats what I pursue and then get mad I dont got a good girl lol.

I definately agree good girls are in short supply and oftentimes it's easy to think they are all religious and stick in the mudds but its really not true, though that will be a good portion of them.

My girl now is a good chick. At first she was very opposed to me smoking weed but now she's as big a stoner as me. She likes to go out and drink and have fun but shhe's not a whore. Obviously I think to a certain point many girls are good girls until their not ie you think you got a good one til she fucks around on you or gets crazy or does some other stupid shit

My girl now is a bit much in terms of the attention she requires and stuff like that but she's a good chick. You gotta find a chick who's A. very into you, and B. a chick who likes relationshis. My girl now, I've been caught in some bad situation and she'll bring up things like I dont know how you could do something like that just the thought of someone thats not you touching me would be wierd, i couldn't do that, on top of not wanting to hurt me and all that. Now obviously she may be running game but I believe her. She's a good girl, i can trust her, I know some guys like cuffing chicks I'd rather send my chick out with her friends sometimes and give myself some freetime but she wants to spend all her time withh me which is kinda the only downside.

[MongolianAbroad]

(05-29-2014 08:24 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Sure, it's fun to turn a good girl into a bad one, but then you've let the genie out of the bottle and she no longer is the sweet good girl anymore. Same if you convert a slut into a nun.

I'm not an authority on Catholicism in general or nuns in particular, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way...

[jamaicabound]

Not to hijack the thread but I have an interesting question. Would you guys bend or compromise on looks for a "good girl". Now I'm not saying go for some heffer but if your into latinas would you go for a white chick who was a good girl or if you have an idea body type ie nice ass or big titties would you go for a girl who's not quite your ideal type of attractive but a bit chunkier if you got the feeling she's a good girl, loyal, wont cheat, will support you, wont nag you, would be a good life partner, potential marriage material etc?

[Christian McQueen]

^Nope.

I still have to wake up next to her.

When a guy lowers his standards for a 'good girl', it just shows his Game is weak.

A proper understanding and belief in The Law Of Abundance would eliminate his need to date beneath himself.

Say 'no' to subpar chicks.

[General Stalin]

Most of the girls I've been with have been "bad" girls anyway - they were fun but of course it ended up a shit sandwich with a bowl of lying whore and a side of cheating piece of shit.

I dated one "good" girl and it was honestly a great relationship, we just kind of grew apart (admittedly and unfortunately she started to get fat and I was losing attraction for her). Maybe I also got a little bored and a little too comfortable, don't know. I just know I wasn't feeling it after a couple years and my attraction for her dwindled.

[ddjembe mutombo]

(05-30-2014 12:27 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

Not to hijack the thread but I have an interesting question. Would you guys bend or compromise on looks for a "good girl". Now I'm not saying go for some heffer but if your into latinas would you go for a white chick who was a good girl or if you have an idea body type ie nice ass or big titties would you go for a girl who's not quite your ideal type of attractive but a bit chunkier if you got the feeling she's a good girl, loyal, wont cheat, will support you, wont nag you, would be a good life partner, potential marriage material etc?

It depends...

If it is for a girl with a beautiful face, but she needs to hit the squat rack to tone that ass up... then it is worth it.

If it is for a girl with a super toned body, but she has an ugly face... then it isn't worth it.


I was stuck in that predicament about 9 months ago. Had a toned brown bag special (better ass than all the D1 lady athletes I fooled with in college), and a girl that had a great face but she needed to do a couple work outs to obtain a body I wanted. I fooled with the brown bag girl a couple times then dumped her for the pretty face girl that needed to do some squats. Both were good people deep down, but like Christian said... I have to wake up next to her. Therefore, I chose the girl with the pretty face and things have been good since.

[jamaicabound]

(05-30-2014 03:42 PM)ddjembe mutombo Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 12:27 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

Not to hijack the thread but I have an interesting question. Would you guys bend or compromise on looks for a "good girl". Now I'm not saying go for some heffer but if your into latinas would you go for a white chick who was a good girl or if you have an idea body type ie nice ass or big titties would you go for a girl who's not quite your ideal type of attractive but a bit chunkier if you got the feeling she's a good girl, loyal, wont cheat, will support you, wont nag you, would be a good life partner, potential marriage material etc?

It depends...

If it is for a girl with a beautiful face, but she needs to hit the squat rack to tone that ass up... then it is worth it.

If it is for a girl with a super toned body, but she has an ugly face... then it isn't worth it.


I was stuck in that predicament about 9 months ago. Had a toned brown bag special (better ass than all the D1 lady athletes I fooled with in college), and a girl that had a great face but she needed to do a couple work outs to obtain a body I wanted. I fooled with the brown bag girl a couple times then dumped her for the pretty face girl that needed to do some squats. Both were good people deep down, but like Christian said... I have to wake up next to her. Therefore, I chose the girl with the pretty face and things have been good since.

You bring up a good point, body can be changed face can't.

You always hear people say sex is great and great sex is great but it always dwindles and you have to have something beyond just sex to sustain a relationsip.

I guess that leaves two options be a bachelor and have as many women as you want for your entire life or fid someone with looks and a cool personality you mesh with.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the compromise on looks for an actual good partner, however it does make some sense for one reason. No matter how hot your girl is, no matter how freaky she is, I know for myself and many if not most guys, you matter how hot or freaky a chick is eventually you crave new pussy. Look at all the celebs dating super models who cheat.

It almost makes me tink it would be smart to sacrafice a bit on looks or body type if you really meet a good chick as no matter what girl your with, no matter how hot, its gonna get old after a year or couple years and then what does it matter if your smashing a 10 or a 7 neiter one of them are really doing it for you anyway so may as well have a cool chick you can smoke a bowl wit and who's down to watch movies your into instead of say yes to the dress or some stupid shit. Just some food for thought.

[UnW]

(05-29-2014 08:29 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:24 PM)Onto Wrote:  

What we really want is both the good girl and the bad girl. Problem is, the characteristics of each are not just contradictory but antinomic, meaning the very definition of the good requires the non-existence of the bad and vice-versa.

Sure, it's fun to turn a good girl into a bad one, but then you've let the genie out of the bottle and she no longer is the sweet good girl anymore. Same if you convert a slut into a nun.

The answer is to try an find someone that is enough of a balance between the two that's right for you.

No. We want a good girl that's bad for us only.

Big difference.

I have no problem dating 'good girls' who are 'bad' with me, just not the rest of Los Angeles.

Spot on. It's such a huge turn off knowing that a girl is doing the same dirty shit to many many many men.

A recent girl that I was banging opened up to me about some of the stuff she's done with past lovers. Epic turn off.

[ddjembe mutombo]

(05-30-2014 06:20 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

It almost makes me tink it would be smart to sacrafice a bit on looks or body type if you really meet a good chick as no matter what girl your with, no matter how hot, its gonna get old after a year or couple years and then what does it matter if your smashing a 10 or a 7 neiter one of them are really doing it for you anyway so may as well have a cool chick you can smoke a bowl wit and who's down to watch movies your into instead of say yes to the dress or some stupid shit. Just some food for thought.

This is true within reason. If you are going to objectify women, then no matter how hot and freaky they are they will still be comparable to getting that new gadget. You have that short period of enjoyment then it becomes a commodity while you are on the hunt for something new. Wise men don't choose the hottest girl in the room for a long term partner. They only choose them for a short term physical relationship. We joke of how nice it must be to be a hot girl in her prime, but she actually got the shit end of the stick because she will be treated as a commodity until they day no body wants her.

[Monte Cristo]

(05-30-2014 09:07 AM)ColSpanker Wrote:  

It's called the Madonna Vs. Whore complex. Womenists love to rattle on and on about it.
And, unfortunately, the women who want to give you oral pleasure in the parking lot are seldom the same ones who make good mothers.
The Suzy Cream-cheese who wants to be a good mother to your children and faithful wife is not the same person who you can take to fetish events in a dog collar.
Happy mediums are hard to find too.

Nope. The Madonna-Whore Complex is a male affliction. It's a function of pedestalising a women and then not being able to fuck her properly because you can't accept she'd do something that 'dirty'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna–whore_complex

Every 'good girl' has an inner slut inside them. Women are, first and foremost, sexual creatures made for reproduction and men who can't accept this are the ones who suffer from the complex.

McQueen is right, nothing beats doing a deep conversion and making a good girl your personal nymphomaniac.

[Monte Cristo]

(05-29-2014 09:31 PM)Onto Wrote:  

I agree that is the wish, but I think we lose our attraction to her as "good" girl when she starts to become bad.

This is an example of Madonna-Whore complex right here. Ask yourself why you would lose attraction for a girl who does 'bad' things only for you. Usually there's Nice Guy Syndrome just below the surface.

[Walderschmidt]

(05-31-2014 02:14 PM)Monte Cristo Wrote:  

Nope. The Madonna-Whore Complex is a male affliction. It's a function of pedestalising a women and then not being able to fuck her properly because you can't accept she'd do something that 'dirty'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna–whore_complex

Every 'good girl' has an inner slut inside them. Women are, first and foremost, sexual creatures made for reproduction and men who can't accept this are the ones who suffer from the complex.

McQueen is right, nothing beats doing a deep conversion and making a good girl your personal nymphomaniac.

This - this should be beat into every man who needs it. Shit, even "bue pill" kids stop believing in the stork after 13!

Wald