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The Original MGTOW
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The Original MGTOW

Vory v Zakone or in English, "Thieves in Law"

Thieves in Law were bad ass Russian gangsters who completely rejected society's and women's expectations of them. After the Iron Curtain fell many became insanely wealthy. It was said by a prominent Vory that although they had an extensive code, that no one followed it to the letter when it interfered with their personal wants.

A few thoughts:

America's family court system is based off the Soviet one.

MGTOW's are not hardened criminals, but the reason may be because in America, although we've adopted many Cultural Marxist practices still retains freedom for men to opt out of a career legally. In Soviet Russia, considering employment was mandatory, opting out of work was the same as being a criminal.

Many Vor's would go on to have families, but it is interesting to note their code forbids it, but not being a 'player'. This is similar to the MGTOW stance, no?

Their Code:
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Under the theoretical code of the vory,[4] a thief must:

Never show his emotions.

Forsake his relatives: father, mother, brothers, sisters. (Varies)

Not have a family of his own: no marriage, no children; this does not however, preclude him from having an unlimited number of women. *During a large gathering of thieves-in-law during the late 1980s, this rule was removed. (Varies)

Never, under any circumstances, have a legitimate job or significant property (e.g. a house), no matter how much difficulty this brings; live only on money obtained through gambling or theft (the word 'theft' as used here describes any criminal activity considered 'legitimate' by the Vory), and rely on lower-level criminals for accommodation. For example, harming or molesting children is strongly frowned upon and may endanger a vor's status and could provoke a more brutal retaliation from one's comrades than from the police.

A 'thief in law' is a leadership position, so direct participation in arms smuggling and drug trafficking is incompatible with their high status since those crimes are a form of commerce. However receiving tribute from smugglers and drug-dealers or robbing and extorting them is a legitimate activity for a 'thief in law'.[citation needed] (Traditional thieves this apply but modern Vor tend to be in more powerful positions and this rule now, is very uncommon.)

Help other thieves: both by moral and material support, utilizing the commune of thieves.
Rule and arbitrate the criminal world and protect basic needs of criminals and prisoners according to the extents and priorities set by the thieves' commune (typically in a given prison/prison cell, or region when not imprisoned)

Keep secret information about the whereabouts of accomplices (e.g. dens, districts, hideouts, safe apartments, etc.).
In unavoidable situations (if a thief is under investigation or is arrested) to take the blame for someone else's crime; this buys the other person time to escape and remain free.

Demand an inquiry and judgment by a council of thieves to resolve disputes in the event of a conflict between oneself and other thieves, or between thieves.
If necessary, participate in such inquiries if called upon.

Punish any offending thief as decided by the judgment of the thieves council.[citation needed]

Not resist carrying out the decision of punishing the offending thief who is found guilty, with punishment determined by the thieves council.[citation needed]

Have good command of the thieves' slang (called "Fenya"), a distinct language spoken by hardcore criminals in Russia and understood by few outsiders.[5]

Never gamble without being able to cover losses.

Teach the criminal way of life to youth with potential.

Have, if possible, informants from the rank and file of thieves.[citation needed]

Not to lose your reasoning abilities when drunk.

Have nothing to do with the authorities (particularly with the ITU, Correctional Labor Authority), not participate in public activities, nor join any community organizations. (This rule came from during the years of Soviet oppression and rarely applies now)

Not serve in the military or accept any weapons from the government or prison authority (police baton). (Again this rule is traditional and rarely applies today, in fact, Vor control the black market, which is discharged Soviet weapons)

Make good on promises given to other thieves.

Never deny his Vor status directly. To the questions like 'Are you a Vor?' or 'Who are you for life?',[6] a vor should always answer: "Yes (I am a vor)", even if asked by police and videotaped. The latter question phrase is ritual and video footage containing the answer is commonly used by the Russian militsiya to illustrate vory arrests in the media. (Not common in post-Soviet times)

The above code is no longer in use besides the standard prison code of ethics of not cooperating with prison authorities or informing on your fellow inmates. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, author of The Gulag Archipelago, claimed never to have seen any thief honor the code if it conflicted with his personal criminal wants.
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The Original MGTOW

Wow that´s the black pill versioan of MGTOW or CGTOW criminals going their own way. When you have nothing to lose you can gain everything. I find it interesting when some heist happens where the risk is low and gain high. Being a thieve is probably just anouther job. But in the Soviet System it would maybe make more sense. Interesting stuff.
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The Original MGTOW

Theft is the quintessential opposite of going your own way.
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The Original MGTOW

It wasn't as much about "thieving" as much as it was about giving a middle finger to the Soviet Government. Many Vor's were men who were of noble blood, landowning peasants, or "enemies of the revolution". They were robbed of everything and their response was to not participate as a worker (slave) and instead live on their own terms. Morality in the Soviet Union wasn't as simple as, "Thieves! They're bad!" when the so called "good guys" were rounding up their enemies and killing them by the millions.

It's easy to thumb your nose at people who resisted Soviet persecution from a first world perspective, but I doubt many would have made every morally correct decision living under Soviet repression in the 1930-50s. Many simply got sent to the Gulags for no reason.
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The Original MGTOW

Fair enough, I can't comment then.
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#6

The Original MGTOW

KD,
Sorry comrade,
But there is no way to explain "Vory v Zakone" to anyone without you living through it.
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