[rudebwoy]

You lost her before the disco, after 2/3 hours of drinking the disco would have been at my apartment or hotel room.

Stop putting her into some special category, she is a woman and showed you her nature. Two dudes sensed she was easy prey and looked at you as not being a threat.

If you didn't have a place to bring her then basically you are looking a pen pal.

Learn from this because you made a few rookie mistakes. How do I know, well like McQueen and Kamaki we have all been there.

[whoishe]

(05-19-2014 03:34 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Stop putting her into some special category, she is a woman and showed you her nature. Two dudes sensed she was easy prey and looked at you as not being a threat.

If you didn't have a place to bring her then basically you are looking a pen pal.

Big thanks for this comment cause it's hard, but 100% true (except for me putting her in some special category - I liked a few things about her, but it wasn't "oneitis" in some weird way).

Like I said - due to me struggling at home, I didn't actually expect that things can develop so quickly. Poor planning and judgment on my side, don't know how it was possible to fix it during the night (or possibly I should take a hotel for one night, but really didnt expect this kind of outcome to happen).

And I totally understand your comment about 2 guys not considering me a threat. It's actually a very difficult thing to overcome for me, especially when realistically I am punching way above my weight with girls here.

Interesting thing though - next day I had a date with girl which IMO is even better looking (and has just amazing presence) and there was absolutely no problems. With her, things has to happen slower, but nobody even tried to bother us and we were going around Lviv Old Town in people traffic hours. But she was very sober, as she usually is.

PS. With original date, we didn't come together to disco, I've lost her at McDonald or time between going from McDonald to Disco.

[rudebwoy]

It has happened to me a few times, don't sweat it. Just remember you aren't on home territory, you are on enemy territory. Last thing you want to do is walk around town and have her run into someone she knows.
After 2 hrs of drinking in a bar, your only move is too invite her back to your place to listen to music on your PC. After that the rest is up to you.

Eliminate the negative thinking about yourself, I have adopted a better frame recently (thanks to this site and a few podcasts) and that shit works. In other words you are NOT punching above your weight. She should be happy to have drinks with a guy like you!

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-19-2014 06:54 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

Like I said - due to me struggling at home, I didn't actually expect that things can develop so quickly. Poor planning and judgment on my side, don't know how it was possible to fix it during the night (or possibly I should take a hotel for one night, but really didnt expect this kind of outcome to happen).

I totally get you, though I was born with above average looks, but could not capitalize on it because I had severe acne during puberty. Even afterwards after having cleared up face-wise I had this perception of myself as being ugly which made me way too insecure and thus limiting the sexual experiences I could have had.

Years later I also met some truly short and rather unattractive Natural, who of course knew that he would score less than his good-looking buddies (most of them being persistant pussy-chasers too), but he simply did not care.

This one friend said: "I don't care why she finds me attractive, if not, I move to another one. There are plenty of sluts out there." The very unattractive and short guy later specialized in getting good at Salsa, Dancefloor game, working out and being highly dominant and masculine. Believe me - he got laid often enough - adding several notches per month. He built attraction through his strengths and his hardened Alpha state and did not give a fuck whether he was approaching a 9 or a 6.

What I mean by that is that our perception of ourselves creates a stronger force than just our physical appearance. The same is true in business success and other endeavors where you meet someone with enough charisma to sell you any shit he wants to, while his less successful counterpart goes through the same words and motions and fails.

There is a saying in Game: "Assume the Sale!" In addition - with women it gives their gina tingles when a guy simply assumes that he will fuck her

[Travesty]

@McQueen do you have a blog post on go to AMOG lines and posture in this sort of situation?

It would be valuable to read.

[whoishe]

(05-20-2014 11:29 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

It has happened to me a few times, don't sweat it. Just remember you aren't on home territory, you are on enemy territory. Last thing you want to do is walk around town and have her run into someone she knows.
After 2 hrs of drinking in a bar, your only move is too invite her back to your place to listen to music on your PC. After that the rest is up to you.

Eliminate the negative thinking about yourself, I have adopted a better frame recently (thanks to this site and a few podcasts) and that shit works. In other words you are NOT punching above your weight. She should be happy to have drinks with a guy like you!

Some good advices here as well, thanks once again. What you call "negative" I call "realistic" at one way, but on the other side - when being after initial approach I have no doubt that she should be happy to have drinks with someone like me. Quite difficult to explain where I stand - I am just exteremely realistic person and something like "false confidence" (probably not a right term, but don't know what's better) for me it's just a no-no.

But it's time to get to the point.

We are 96 hours after "McDonald fiasco" and tomorrow I am moving to my apartment. I didn't contact her and she didn't contact me as well. But I know first hand Ukrainian girls can be quite trigger happy with blocking VK account of someone they don't wont to interact with and she didn't do it.

I still would like to finish things with her. Even if wouldn't work, I would like to use time with her as more learning stuff, so I wouldn't make repeat mistakes with girls following her.

So, any advices? I can contact her via text/call/Vkontakte message. There is also a 50% chance we will meet at some social circle event before I leave, but it's difficult to confirm it at the moment.

Some pointers:
1) It seemed like me being from Poland is a DHV for her, she asked a lot of questions regarding various stuff (living, jobs, best cities, etc...). For local standards she seems quite career oriented though.

2) She is really into sports/physical activity. She does fitness/dance stuff for around 2 years, but is now considering to change it. I explained her for example perspective on women taking grappling vs boxing vs Muay Thai as it's one of the areas interesting her (more for a new workout than to actually get into sparring).

3) Before our date we had an early agreement to do jogging together, plus during our meeting she seemed interesting in visit me in the future and try my homemade pizza

4) She was born at St.Petersburg, but to Ukrainian parents

I know what women says doesn't count, but I am just trying to line some stuff for you guys to get a slightly better knowledge of the whole situation.

[rudebwoy]

Do not contact her under no terms, look ahead at new opportunities. I am sure you will run into her and if you don't all the better.
Answers to your questions.
1) Absolutely being from Poland would be a DHV. Her country is on the verge of a civil war and your country is in a much better situation.
2) Who cares - next gal.
3) Who cares - next gal.
4) Who cares - next gal.

See the picture, you cannot change the past. What if McQueen is right and those two guys smashed her in a alleyway? Do your questions seem relevant now, does it matter that she likes to jog.

It is plain as day you like the gal, but you learnt a lesson as we all have. I like the term false confidence, it sums it up perfectly. Someone else said fake it to you make it.
In other words don't sell yourself short, the rules in Ukraine seem to be different than the West. Looks aren't key but having a connection is it seems, I have never been I but have friends that swear by the place.

Good Luck and keep plodding, there are many people here who would give a lot to be in your shoes.

[Christian McQueen]

(05-20-2014 01:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

@McQueen do you have a blog post on go to AMOG lines and posture in this sort of situation?

It would be valuable to read.

Have one planned within the month.

It's definitely a subject I rarely, if ever, have seen much written on.

[whoishe]

(05-20-2014 06:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

It is plain as day you like the gal, but you learnt a lesson as we all have. I like the term false confidence, it sums it up perfectly. Someone else said fake it to you make it.
In other words don't sell yourself short, the rules in Ukraine seem to be different than the West. Looks aren't key but having a connection is it seems, I have never been I but have friends that swear by the place.

Good Luck and keep plodding, there are many people here who would give a lot to be in your shoes.

Eeeeeeh, in comparison to next one (current one?) I don't really, and for sure not after "McDonald fiasco". She just ticks some boxes physically and that's all. It's more about hating all the effort/time spent invested her (it wasn't anything crazy, but still hate it), plus - like I said - having a chance to make more mistakes with her and treat her like a training field to learn before meeting next ones.

I just don't see a downside in trying with her (even if she would block me on VK after replying something like this - "fuck off, I need a real man, who in this kind of situation would physically remove me from this 2 guys space...) but I can understand opinion that my perspective is a wrong one in this case.

[rudebwoy]

There is a huge downside, you will look even worse than you do now. She gave you a silent "fuck you" by her actions.
Engaging in a conversation with two random dudes on a date with you is a big disrespect. Your move should have been to grab her arm and lead her out of that place.
What if it was a shit test? Well guess what, you failed in her eyes.

Learn the lesson and move on, I repeat do not contact her.

She didn't exactly call you the next day and apologize for her actions or being so "drunk".

[whoishe]

After also talking about this whole situation with one local guy last night, I removed her from my friend list on Vkontakte (and also deleted her phone number) and she immediately responded with blocking my access to her profile. So I guess we are perfectly fine with each other.

Once again thanks for all the advices here.

Next!

[rudebwoy]

Bravo!

You sound hurt my friend, time to man up.

[whoishe]

I thought this topic was done, but I have one more question (maybe I am predicting too much, but I just prefer to be ready).

Tomorrow I will be attending a sports related meeting, when there is a chance (I would guess it's 50-50) she will be too. Of course I don't plan to talk to her, but any advices how to react when she would try some shit?

I want to attend it, since it gives me a decent chance to open some girls as it won't be a strictly cold approach for me (plus I can use a decent workout on open air for free). But still, she will be known better there than I am.

Any advices?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-23-2014 08:22 AM)whoishe Wrote:  

I thought this topic was done, but I have one more question (maybe I am predicting too much, but I just prefer to be ready).

Tomorrow I will be attending a sports related meeting, when there is a chance (I would guess it's 50-50) she will be too. Of course I don't plan to talk to her, but any advices how to react when she would try some shit?

I want to attend it, since it gives me a decent chance to open some girls as it won't be a strictly cold approach for me (plus I can use a decent workout on open air for free). But still, she will be known better there than I am.

Any advices?

First is to not give the impression of being hurt. Treat her like a distant acquaintance or maybe even ignore her.

If she does a shit-test, you can prepare something in the form of: "Oh - is that because of last week where I left you in the middle of the date? Sorry, but obviously we are not meant to be together. You are such a great girl, I am certain that you will find someone." But you have to be careful, since women can poison the well unless you simply approach some other girl.

If your Game is strong the negative talk of that girl will not impact the attraction that you can build with another one. If she starts to attack you in front of the group, all the better since it would make her seem like she cared a lot and you were the one dumping her.

[rudebwoy]

^ I agree with the first part of your statement, act indifferent.

But the line about your a great gal and I am certain you will find someone is very lame, you will sound like a hurt boy if you said that.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-23-2014 11:18 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^ I agree with the first part of your statement, act indifferent.

But the line about your a great gal and I am certain you will find someone is very lame, you will sound like a hurt boy if you said that.

Women say that kind of line all the time and pull it off by looking sincere and "kind" - sometimes even not being aware how denigrating it is (or maybe they do - being bitchy is female after all).

Either way - it was meant as a reaction to a shit-test, she would let out publicly. There are a myriad ways of responding. At least Game-aware men are aware that they are being shit-tested and that they have to respond in a challenging, funny or ignoring manner. Never appease, never agree, never look down, never back down et.

[whoishe]

Okay, she wasnt there, case closed (I hope). Thanks once again.