[amity]

@soup Switzerland has actually got one of the highest levels of non-native residents in Europe. Huge amount of Germans in the north, Zurich is full of Germans.
Also plenty of Slavs and Turks in the country and more recently the ranks of the Roma are increasing(adding significantly to CH's crime rates in recent years).
That said, in some parts of the countryside, it's almost exclusively native Swiss, it's true.

[soup]

(05-14-2014 10:52 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:32 AM)soup Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:26 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

The gun isn't a solution to society's problems, but a gun in the hands of a trained person who's willing to use it in defense of themselves, their property, and their families is far better for society than another brief blurb in the paper about an innocent person being victimized or killed.

Don't like guns? Don't buy one.

This guy's show is promoting gun ownership as a "cool" thing to get into.. seems try hard.

Guns are not for everybody.

1. He works for the NRA. What do you expect?

2. People who own guns, like them, or like to shoot as a hobby are the ones who are primarily going to seek out his internet show. Colion Noir is pretty much an unknown outside gun hobbyist circles.

And shooting is cool. You ever tried it before?

I prefer archery.

[Mormon Nailer]

(05-14-2014 11:04 AM)amity Wrote:  

@soup Switzerland has actually got one of the highest levels of non-native residents in the EU. Huge amount of Germans in the north, Zurich is full of Germans.
Also plenty of Slavs and Turks in the country and more recently the ranks of the Roma are increasing(adding significantly to CH's crime rates in recent years).
That said, in some parts of the countryside, it's almost exclusively native Swiss, it's true.

Roma are notorious pickpockets and criminals, but they probably think twice about accosting a Swiss.

Same thing with the hoodrats/white trash in the South: they're much more polite. Here in the liberal Eastern coast, they're not afraid of law-abiding citizens at all.

[Luvianka]

(05-14-2014 11:09 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:04 AM)amity Wrote:  

@soup Switzerland has actually got one of the highest levels of non-native residents in the EU. Huge amount of Germans in the north, Zurich is full of Germans.
Also plenty of Slavs and Turks in the country and more recently the ranks of the Roma are increasing(adding significantly to CH's crime rates in recent years).
That said, in some parts of the countryside, it's almost exclusively native Swiss, it's true.

Roma are notorious pickpockets and criminals, but they probably think twice about accosting a Swiss.

Same thing with the hoodrats/white trash in the South: they're much more polite. Hear in the liberal Eastern coast, they're not afraid of law-abiding citizens at all.

Yes, that's why France is going to bring in people who can deal with those Roma. Check this out: http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-p...ris-2014-5

[Mormon Nailer]

(05-14-2014 11:12 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:09 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:04 AM)amity Wrote:  

@soup Switzerland has actually got one of the highest levels of non-native residents in the EU. Huge amount of Germans in the north, Zurich is full of Germans.
Also plenty of Slavs and Turks in the country and more recently the ranks of the Roma are increasing(adding significantly to CH's crime rates in recent years).
That said, in some parts of the countryside, it's almost exclusively native Swiss, it's true.

Roma are notorious pickpockets and criminals, but they probably think twice about accosting a Swiss.

Same thing with the hoodrats/white trash in the South: they're much more polite. Hear in the liberal Eastern coast, they're not afraid of law-abiding citizens at all.

Yes, that's why France is going to bring in people who can deal with those Roma. Check this out: http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-p...ris-2014-5

Ha. I guess only non-whites are allowed to have militias/extra police protecting their interests?

[amity]

Oops, of course Switzerland is not actually in the EU! Edited my previous post to reflect that.

[Mormon Nailer]

(05-14-2014 11:28 AM)amity Wrote:  

Oops, of course Switzerland is not actually in the EU! Edited my previous post to reflect that.

Smart country.

[weambulance]

(05-14-2014 09:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

Picture a place like NYC, where every wannabe thug, every woman with a chip on her shoulder, every nervous, anxious, drunk, jealous, mentally unstable etc. person in the city owns a gun.

It's bad enough with the cops having guns shooting up people on a whim because they are so high-strung.

People who promote the gun as a silver bullet (no pun intended) cure for societies ills are shooting in the dark (again no pun intended).

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

[soup]

(05-14-2014 11:36 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

Picture a place like NYC, where every wannabe thug, every woman with a chip on her shoulder, every nervous, anxious, drunk, jealous, mentally unstable etc. person in the city owns a gun.

It's bad enough with the cops having guns shooting up people on a whim because they are so high-strung.

People who promote the gun as a silver bullet (no pun intended) cure for societies ills are shooting in the dark (again no pun intended).

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

My man, Alaska is not NYC.

On the other side of the world and not just in the literal sense.

[Mormon Nailer]

(05-14-2014 11:36 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

Picture a place like NYC, where every wannabe thug, every woman with a chip on her shoulder, every nervous, anxious, drunk, jealous, mentally unstable etc. person in the city owns a gun.

It's bad enough with the cops having guns shooting up people on a whim because they are so high-strung.

People who promote the gun as a silver bullet (no pun intended) cure for societies ills are shooting in the dark (again no pun intended).

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

Facts and solutions sure are hard to come by from the libs on this issue.

[soup]

(05-14-2014 11:40 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:36 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

Picture a place like NYC, where every wannabe thug, every woman with a chip on her shoulder, every nervous, anxious, drunk, jealous, mentally unstable etc. person in the city owns a gun.

It's bad enough with the cops having guns shooting up people on a whim because they are so high-strung.

People who promote the gun as a silver bullet (no pun intended) cure for societies ills are shooting in the dark (again no pun intended).

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

Facts and solutions sure are hard to come by from the libs on this issue.

You seem to want a simplistic solution. Good luck with that.

[Mormon Nailer]

(05-14-2014 11:51 AM)soup Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:40 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:36 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

Picture a place like NYC, where every wannabe thug, every woman with a chip on her shoulder, every nervous, anxious, drunk, jealous, mentally unstable etc. person in the city owns a gun.

It's bad enough with the cops having guns shooting up people on a whim because they are so high-strung.

People who promote the gun as a silver bullet (no pun intended) cure for societies ills are shooting in the dark (again no pun intended).

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

Facts and solutions sure are hard to come by from the libs on this issue.

You seem to want a simplistic solution. Good luck with that.

You've offered none. No complex solutions, no simple solutions. Nothing. Anything suggested you dismissed right away. The only thing you seem to be suggesting is to make all guns illegal. Chicago and Baltimore have the strongest gun control laws in the country . . . and the biggest gun crime rates. I'll ask you again, what is your solution?

[Dr. Howard]

(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:51 AM)soup Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:40 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:36 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

Picture a place like NYC, where every wannabe thug, every woman with a chip on her shoulder, every nervous, anxious, drunk, jealous, mentally unstable etc. person in the city owns a gun.

It's bad enough with the cops having guns shooting up people on a whim because they are so high-strung.

People who promote the gun as a silver bullet (no pun intended) cure for societies ills are shooting in the dark (again no pun intended).

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

Facts and solutions sure are hard to come by from the libs on this issue.

You seem to want a simplistic solution. Good luck with that.

You've offered none. No complex solutions, no simple solutions. Nothing. Anything suggested you dismissed right away.

ah, you newer guys on the forum must not have argued with Soup before...check out some of the religion threads if you'd like to see how this goes.

[Walderschmidt]

(05-14-2014 10:02 AM)soup Wrote:  

I've been there. No poor people, a pretty much homogenous population.

Not a good comparison.

My, that's a can of worms if there ever was one.

Diversity + Proximity = War, anyone?

Wald

[soup]

(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:51 AM)soup Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:40 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:36 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

Picture a place like NYC, where every wannabe thug, every woman with a chip on her shoulder, every nervous, anxious, drunk, jealous, mentally unstable etc. person in the city owns a gun.

It's bad enough with the cops having guns shooting up people on a whim because they are so high-strung.

People who promote the gun as a silver bullet (no pun intended) cure for societies ills are shooting in the dark (again no pun intended).

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

Facts and solutions sure are hard to come by from the libs on this issue.

You seem to want a simplistic solution. Good luck with that.

You've offered none. No complex solutions, no simple solutions. Nothing. Anything suggested you dismissed right away. The only thing you seem to be suggesting is to make all guns illegal. Chicago and Baltimore have the strongest gun control laws in the country . . . and the biggest gun crime rates. I'll ask you again, what is your solution?

You don't need to offer a solution to be able to recognize flaws in one that's being offered.

[Mormon Nailer]

(05-14-2014 12:05 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:51 AM)soup Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:40 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:36 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

Facts and solutions sure are hard to come by from the libs on this issue.

You seem to want a simplistic solution. Good luck with that.

You've offered none. No complex solutions, no simple solutions. Nothing. Anything suggested you dismissed right away.

ah, you newer guys on the forum must not have argued with Soup before...check out some of the religion threads if you'd like to see how this goes.

Lol.

[Mormon Nailer]

(05-14-2014 12:11 PM)soup Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:51 AM)soup Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:40 AM)Mormon Nailer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:36 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

So what you're saying is laws stop people who break laws from breaking laws?

I've been doing this whole gun debate thing for over a decade now and you're just trotting out the same old points I've been hearing from day one. You're presenting an emotional argument, not a factual one. Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! It's the same old song and dance every freaking time another state loosens its gun control laws and the predictions haven't come true yet.

I don't need to picture a place like NYC with guns, because I've lived in plenty of places that were chock full of guns. All of Alaska, for example. All those guns, extremely permissive carry laws, shitty weather, heavy drinking culture, and gee somehow we manage not to kill each other. Almost all violent crime in AK takes place in bush villages. Whereas in a medium city like Rochester, NY where I grew up, the murder and violent crime rate is through the fucking roof despite very restrictive gun laws and virtually zero legal carry.

Violent crime is prevalent in different regions for cultural reasons, as well as a legal environment that disarms regular people. You think a professional criminal gives a shit about breaking a weapons law? Big whoop, add a year or two to his sentence if he gets caught. On the other hand you have the other 999 people out of 1000 whose lives will be destroyed if they're caught carrying illegally, so they have the choice of risking a felony conviction for a victimless crime or possibly being killed or maimed by a mugger. Unsurprisingly most people choose option B, and they're the ones who end up getting murdered by crazy people because their defenseless was mandated by control freaks.

Facts and solutions sure are hard to come by from the libs on this issue.

You seem to want a simplistic solution. Good luck with that.

You've offered none. No complex solutions, no simple solutions. Nothing. Anything suggested you dismissed right away. The only thing you seem to be suggesting is to make all guns illegal. Chicago and Baltimore have the strongest gun control laws in the country . . . and the biggest gun crime rates. I'll ask you again, what is your solution?

You don't need to offer a solution to be able to recognize flaws in one that's being offered.

Criticising things w/o providing alternatives is the easiest job in the world. Anyway, let's just let it go. I'm starting to agree: let's focus on that chick's lucsious legs

[DjembaDjemba]

Gun ownership preference and is purely a cultural issue.

Here in Alberta I can own a hunting rifle without a license if I purchase the gun privately.

Canada is relatively safe, our urban streets aren't flooded with guns and not every criminal has one (contrary to popular belief about Toronto/Montreal). Gun crime is rare compared to US cities with similar demographics (ethnic composition and population).

Then again our citizens are wealthier, have access to better education, and free healthcare at the point of access. Overall social indicators are better across the board up here. And we're a more diverse bunch than Americans, quite a bit more.

Diversity + Proximity = war? Conjecture.

America's high gun crime rate is most likely as a result of its lopsidedly constructed society. A society of slave-masters, slaves, and European peasants. A clear gradient of haves, and have nots.

America sits in the middle of the pack of settler countries, Latin America is more extreme version of the USA, Canada, Australia and the Caribbean are the slightly tamer.

Latin America has stupid amount of gun crime, the highest in the world. This is what happens when you have a handful of Spaniards/Portuguese expropriate the land of millions, and live under siege for 500 years in castles followed up walled mansions. They need guns to keep safe from all those poor that have no land, no food, and live in shanties.

This is the root of the controversy of gun ownership in the western countries.

The NRA is trying to get more young people, especially minorities who don't do outdoors shit to get on the guns bandwagon.

I like guns, and going to the bush and shooting shit up, but trying to convince my city buddies to do the same is a hit and miss.

America is full of trollism, it's hard to see the NRA succeeding in their goal to get young urban kids to take up legal gun ownership and the gun laws not being tightened thereafter.

[Mormon Nailer]

...

[TigerMandingo]

(05-14-2014 05:39 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Gun ownership preference and is purely a cultural issue.

Here in Alberta I can own a hunting rifle without a license if I purchase the gun privately.

Canada is relatively safe, our urban streets aren't flooded with guns and not every criminal has one (contrary to popular belief about Toronto/Montreal). Gun crime is rare compared to US cities with similar demographics (ethnic composition and population).

Then again our citizens are wealthier, have access to better education, and free healthcare at the point of access. Overall social indicators are better across the board up here. And we're a more diverse bunch than Americans, quite a bit more.

Diversity + Proximity = war? Conjecture.

America's high gun crime rate is most likely as a result of its lopsidedly constructed society. A society of slave-masters, slaves, and European peasants. A clear gradient of haves, and have nots.

America sits in the middle of the pack of settler countries, Latin America is more extreme version of the USA, Canada, Australia and the Caribbean are the slightly tamer.

Latin America has stupid amount of gun crime, the highest in the world. This is what happens when you have a handful of Spaniards/Portuguese expropriate the land of millions, and live under siege for 500 years in castles followed up walled mansions. They need guns to keep safe from all those poor that have no land, no food, and live in shanties.

This is the root of the controversy of gun ownership in the western countries.

The NRA is trying to get more young people, especially minorities who don't do outdoors shit to get on the guns bandwagon.

I like guns, and going to the bush and shooting shit up, but trying to convince my city buddies to do the same is a hit and miss.

America is full of trollism, it's hard to see the NRA succeeding in their goal to get young urban kids to take up legal gun ownership and the gun laws not being tightened thereafter.

Agreed. Here in Montreal, you could be walking in any given neighborhood at 3 AM and feel completely safe. Violent crime here is rare and its a decent-sized city. I cant say the same for ANY major city in the US. You hit it right on the head. The US has no safety net for its citizens. Once you hit rock bottom, youre basically fucked.

[Luvianka]

You are safe in Canada because Canadians don't hate.

[Dr. Howard]

(05-14-2014 08:07 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 05:39 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Gun ownership preference and is purely a cultural issue.

Here in Alberta I can own a hunting rifle without a license if I purchase the gun privately.

Canada is relatively safe, our urban streets aren't flooded with guns and not every criminal has one (contrary to popular belief about Toronto/Montreal). Gun crime is rare compared to US cities with similar demographics (ethnic composition and population).

Then again our citizens are wealthier, have access to better education, and free healthcare at the point of access. Overall social indicators are better across the board up here. And we're a more diverse bunch than Americans, quite a bit more.

Diversity + Proximity = war? Conjecture.

America's high gun crime rate is most likely as a result of its lopsidedly constructed society. A society of slave-masters, slaves, and European peasants. A clear gradient of haves, and have nots.

America sits in the middle of the pack of settler countries, Latin America is more extreme version of the USA, Canada, Australia and the Caribbean are the slightly tamer.

Latin America has stupid amount of gun crime, the highest in the world. This is what happens when you have a handful of Spaniards/Portuguese expropriate the land of millions, and live under siege for 500 years in castles followed up walled mansions. They need guns to keep safe from all those poor that have no land, no food, and live in shanties.

This is the root of the controversy of gun ownership in the western countries.

The NRA is trying to get more young people, especially minorities who don't do outdoors shit to get on the guns bandwagon.

I like guns, and going to the bush and shooting shit up, but trying to convince my city buddies to do the same is a hit and miss.

America is full of trollism, it's hard to see the NRA succeeding in their goal to get young urban kids to take up legal gun ownership and the gun laws not being tightened thereafter.

Agreed. Here in Montreal, you could be walking in any given neighborhood at 3 AM and feel completely safe. Violent crime here is rare and its a decent-sized city. I cant say the same for ANY major city in the US. You hit it right on the head. The US has no safety net for its citizens. Once you hit rock bottom, youre basically fucked.

Here we go with this "Oh Canada you can walk anywhere at 3am" and "The US has no safety net for citizens"

1. The US safety net is better, in my opinion, than it is in Canada. Canada has welfare, free health care and unemployment insurance. The US has the same things for the poor and old, but also amazing subsidized housing, subsidized daycare, free pre school, free school lunches and food stamps.

2. Maybe you can walk the streets of Montreal at 3am buy you cannot walk the streets of winnipeg, edmonton or thunder bay at 3am.

Living in Canada, the midwest and now the south i do have a theory that contributes to poverty and crime though, warm weather. A good winter does two things...

1. It keeps people inside, its 4 months out of the year when people aren't going to be loitering in the alley getting all stabby because its too damn cold. You've really only got June through August for the months where criminals can wander for crimes of opportunity 24 hours a day.

2. The income threshold that you can drop to without dying is lower in warmer climates. Here in the south you can live in a destroyed trailer with broken windows or in a tent city under a bridge year round and not die from exposure. The US climate can support a much poorer population than Canada can. That poor population can be mobile in warm weather and seek opportunities to commit crimes.

LA, St. Louis, Memphis, all of Florida, new orleans, etc. only 2 cities in the US top 10 for danger are in midwest climates, which are balmy by canadian standards.

[The Beast1]

Don't bother arguing with soup.

Fortunately, when it comes to 2nd amendment issues most people disagree with soup and out number him greatly at the polls.

Notice the line here:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Defining how deep the regulation should be, we need well trained and honest citizens who understand what it means to take a life.

Make it a class and get a license just like owning a car. That seems to me the perfect extent of regulation.

Owning a weapon is one hell of a privilege and the greater lesson goes something like this: I love myself greatly and because of that I love others just as much. If someone attempts to hurt the ones I love physically I have a recourse to use. And quite frankly, i'd be able to sleep easy at night knowing I gave my all instead of deferring my safety to a police department. Even if it means getting arrested and going to court.

For the record, according to this article it takes 9 minutes and 42 seconds for a 911 call to be responded to. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...-1.1737399

9 minutes is a lot of free time for a criminal to not only have his way but bounce out as well.

[soup]

People need to be able to defend themselves- I have no problem with that, but there are other ways and even other weapons that can be used.

The video in the op is of a guy actively trying to sell guns to people as a cool hip thing. It seemed kind of gay to me.

Guns don't make people cool, people do.

[TigerMandingo]

(05-15-2014 07:40 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

Living in Canada, the midwest and now the south i do have a theory that contributes to poverty and crime though, warm weather. A good winter does two things...

1. It keeps people inside, its 4 months out of the year when people aren't going to be loitering in the alley getting all stabby because its too damn cold. You've really only got June through August for the months where criminals can wander for crimes of opportunity 24 hours a day.

2. The income threshold that you can drop to without dying is lower in warmer climates. Here in the south you can live in a destroyed trailer with broken windows or in a tent city under a bridge year round and not die from exposure. The US climate can support a much poorer population than Canada can. That poor population can be mobile in warm weather and seek opportunities to commit crimes.

LA, St. Louis, Memphis, all of Florida, new orleans, etc. only 2 cities in the US top 10 for danger are in midwest climates, which are balmy by canadian standards.

If warm weather was a factor in increasing crime, then Detroit, Chicago, and Minnesota would be relatively crime-free. But we both know that aint the case.