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Quote: (04-25-2014 10:36 AM)Vox_All_Day Wrote:
Can't watch the vid at work. What are his degrees in?
Quote: (04-25-2014 05:06 PM)The_CEO Wrote:
Quote: (04-25-2014 10:36 AM)Vox_All_Day Wrote:
Can't watch the vid at work. What are his degrees in?
His degrees are STEM.
Worked for well known aerospace company and was laid off.
He has a PhD in Physics and a Masters from Aeronautical engineering.
He apparently got into debt helping saving his parent's house (and then was laid off).
He moved to another city for a job offer and when he got there the job was given to someone else.
Quote: (04-25-2014 09:33 PM)Suits Wrote:
It could be argued that he is something of an outlier, but nevertheless, this story should remind even those in the manosphere who constantly parrot STEM, STEM, STEM that nothing is guaranteed.
A lot of STEM fields require a good amount of industry experience and a strong network before you can truly work for yourself.
At last a student who goes to a good liberal arts school (is there such thing?) may be encouraged to be looking for opportunities to run his own business from day one as a freshman.
The real problem with American society is not specifically the value of education, property or other aspirations, but rather the absurd debt load that one must reasonably undertake just to acquire the basic trappings of Western living.
Quote: (04-26-2014 12:49 AM)Vitriol Wrote:
Quote: (04-25-2014 09:33 PM)Suits Wrote:
It could be argued that he is something of an outlier, but nevertheless, this story should remind even those in the manosphere who constantly parrot STEM, STEM, STEM that nothing is guaranteed.
A lot of STEM fields require a good amount of industry experience and a strong network before you can truly work for yourself.
At last a student who goes to a good liberal arts school (is there such thing?) may be encouraged to be looking for opportunities to run his own business from day one as a freshman.
The real problem with American society is not specifically the value of education, property or other aspirations, but rather the absurd debt load that one must reasonably undertake just to acquire the basic trappings of Western living.
Yeah, the "STEM or don't go at all" bullshit that gets parroted around the manosphere isn't necessarily good advice. Regardless of your major, you need to actually learn how to figure shit out on your own. A humanities major who had to spend many hours alone in the library comparing sources and getting their research to make sense is probably going to do better in the job market than a business or science major who partied and got notes for all of their core classes from the internet.
I'm honestly sick of hearing the "STEM or don't go at all choir" to every young guy that has asked the question in the past couple of years or so. Engineering jobs get outsourced. People who have to major in something esoteric and figure it out on their own are probably going to have way better job skills down the road (believe it or not) if they actually take the major seriously.
Quote: (04-26-2014 10:51 AM)RexImperator Wrote:
Historically yes, but today liberal arts does not teach much of the classical western stuff anymore. Languages are useful, though.
Quote:The_CEO Wrote:
But historically the liberal arts provided (and can provide) a broad classical education - in history, literature, philosophy, languages - an education that is useful in business, advertising, law, etc.
Quote: (04-26-2014 11:10 AM)Saga Wrote:
Quote: (04-26-2014 10:51 AM)RexImperator Wrote:
Historically yes, but today liberal arts does not teach much of the classical western stuff anymore. Languages are useful, though.
True, but if you study languages in a liberal arts setting, chances are you're massively overpaying for it. There are cheaper options for formal language instruction, and individual study with good materials and exposure to native speakers (over the internet if need be) will end up being a fraction of the cost with as much reward.
Quote:The_CEO Wrote:
But historically the liberal arts provided (and can provide) a broad classical education - in history, literature, philosophy, languages - an education that is useful in business, advertising, law, etc.
For better or for worse, we're living in a world that demands specialists...unless they start their own businesses (in which case no education is necessary, just brains and guts) jacks-of-all-trades aren't highly valued.
Quote: (04-26-2014 10:44 AM)The_CEO Wrote:
Quote: (04-26-2014 12:49 AM)Vitriol Wrote:
Quote: (04-25-2014 09:33 PM)Suits Wrote:
It could be argued that he is something of an outlier, but nevertheless, this story should remind even those in the manosphere who constantly parrot STEM, STEM, STEM that nothing is guaranteed.
A lot of STEM fields require a good amount of industry experience and a strong network before you can truly work for yourself.
At last a student who goes to a good liberal arts school (is there such thing?) may be encouraged to be looking for opportunities to run his own business from day one as a freshman.
The real problem with American society is not specifically the value of education, property or other aspirations, but rather the absurd debt load that one must reasonably undertake just to acquire the basic trappings of Western living.
Yeah, the "STEM or don't go at all" bullshit that gets parroted around the manosphere isn't necessarily good advice. Regardless of your major, you need to actually learn how to figure shit out on your own. A humanities major who had to spend many hours alone in the library comparing sources and getting their research to make sense is probably going to do better in the job market than a business or science major who partied and got notes for all of their core classes from the internet.
I'm honestly sick of hearing the "STEM or don't go at all choir" to every young guy that has asked the question in the past couple of years or so. Engineering jobs get outsourced. People who have to major in something esoteric and figure it out on their own are probably going to have way better job skills down the road (believe it or not) if they actually take the major seriously.
It really depends, doesn't it. First, taking into account what someone's interests are, and then the reality of the job market. But an aerospace engineer can get laid off, and a lawyer can be unemployed due to a glut of lawyers on the market. There's no sure thing.
Med or pharm school would be a safe bet. Or getting a PhD in A.I. But if you are going to commit to 10+ years of school you have to really want to do these things anyway. Not just b/c someone recommended "STEM".
There are a lot of obscure humanities degrees that common sense would suggest are not a good idea (or maybe idiotic) to pursue. But historically the liberal arts provided (and can provide) a broad classical education - in history, literature, philosophy, languages - an education that is useful in business, advertising, law, etc. The challenge is how to do it without amassing debt.