[tomtud]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/edu...sures.html

Secularism is what gave minorities rights and now it turns out that when a minority group gets bigger in this case Muslim, they want to do away with secularism (an ideal) that protected them.......is something to be concerned about.

Bending over backwards for backward people or accepting people into your country nd you have to change and not the other way around is messed up.

As we will see in our lifetimes the Islamic republic of Iran will eventually fall (I hope) as the majority seek a change. We may see in our lifetimes an Islamic republic in the UK....now, not all Muslims are for an Islamic school system. But sadly there aren't a few but many who do want to seek an overthrow of secular schools turned into Islamic in England. Religious based schools exist, but turn a secular school into an Islamic or any other faith should be stopped. Shame on the school leaders for allowing this to happen!!!!!
If a political leader cries foul the PC media will label them as racist etc. This is not racism it is preserving a secular culture that existed before bullies bullied weak leaders.

I hope some strong minded Muslims send up to these faith leaders and help stop this. Separate Faith based schools exist, focus on that. Keep secular schools as is.

To play devils advocate, yes there are good things that can come out of having differing points of view brought into the school system, but to have a system or teach something in a secular school that disagrees with other religions well, it's not secular anymore is it? Any idea should be shared equally amongst all groups represented.

Agree or disagree with me, secularism is needed in countries to protect the minorities from the majority. When the minority becomes a majority it should keep the same principals that once protected it. When this happens in England and the former minority starts to impose their way onto the former majority there will be a Backlash in other countries against all religious minorities.

Some of the ring leaders in England happen to be from south east Asia , Pakistan etc. one of these countries have the worst religious rights protections and blatant discrimination against minorities. Be prepared England,,,,, you will be the Pakistan of Europe if you don't stand up.

[Rutting Elephant]

Another troubling development was the endorsement of sharia wills by the Law Society:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2014/0...aw-society
Many Brits are in deep denial that the takeover of their secular state is seen as a religious duty by a growing number of extremists.

[TonySandos]

It isn't the fault of secularism itself or the immigrants, it's the climate of reflexive witch hunting in supporting progressive politics that allowed civility to get so far out of hand. Like you, I wouldn't be surprised if UK becomes a theocracy, or otherwise falls apart under constrictive laws in the future. The UK's issues are an example of what happens to countries that take progressivism too far.


The fact that a sizable number of these immigrants are Pakistani is a key issue of the problem, not Muslims themselves. Read up on Pakistani history and you'll see why the current problems in UK happened so easily.

[Samseau]

First off:

Quote:

As we will see in our lifetimes the Islamic republic of Iran will eventually fall

Didn't Iran ban women from going to college? They are already taking extremely proactive measures to stop their traditions from eroding. Islam isn't going anywhere in Iran.

Second:

Islam always takes over a country. The entire faith is based on invasion and conquering. It is impossible to peacefully co-exist with a religion that claims you must submit to it.

Even in a place like Turkey, which was secularized, is now reverting back to Islamic domination. The only way to stop Islam from taking over is to prevent it from taking root.

Now that England and many other European countries have exponentially growing Islamic populations, it's only a matter of time before Europe is converted wholesale into Islam or there is a massive civil war and Inquisition 2.0. This process will play out over 20-40 years. The unpredictable part isn't Islam, because Islam is entirely predictable and has been following the same playbook for over 1000 years, but the attitude of Europeans and how fast they go into nationalist mode. The left dominates Europe hard right now, and they may be able to suppress dissent for another few decades.

(How many people know that the original Inquisition was to stamp out Islam in Spain? Maybe 1 out of 100,000? lawls)

[Rutting Elephant]

I don't think it will take some downfall of the left to turn the tide, but rather an increase in awareness within the left that equality as they imagine it can not coexist with Islam. Recently, a lot of people have pointed out the hypocrisy of liberals, especially feminists, remaining silent at the cowardly retreat of Brandeis at CAIR pressure over AH Ali.
Basically, the left needs to realize that Islam and conservatism are in a sense on the same side.

[Vicious]

I can tell from the title alone that this is going to be another one of those threads.

[TonySandos]

Asia minor has a sizable population, and culture in several countries, of extremism and they're forming a takeover of a docile culture. Yes, this is pertinent to discuss.

Why are there always people shuddering at the fact that people are discussing hard topics?
It's essential to have discussions on the most volatile, taboo and affecting circumstances of society. These things will come to affect most of us at some point.

[Bill]

(04-20-2014 02:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

First off:

Quote:

As we will see in our lifetimes the Islamic republic of Iran will eventually fall

Didn't Iran ban women from going to college? They are already taking extremely proactive measures to stop their traditions from eroding. Islam isn't going anywhere in Iran.

Second:

Islam always takes over a country. The entire faith is based on invasion and conquering. It is impossible to peacefully co-exist with a religion that claims you must submit to it.

Even in a place like Turkey, which was secularized, is now reverting back to Islamic domination. The only way to stop Islam from taking over is to prevent it from taking root.

Now that England and many other European countries have exponentially growing Islamic populations, it's only a matter of time before Europe is converted wholesale into Islam or there is a massive civil war and Inquisition 2.0. This process will play out over 20-40 years. The unpredictable part isn't Islam, because Islam is entirely predictable and has been following the same playbook for over 1000 years, but the attitude of Europeans and how fast they go into nationalist mode. The left dominates Europe hard right now, and they may be able to suppress dissent for another few decades.

(How many people know that the original Inquisition was to stamp out Islam in Spain? Maybe 1 out of 100,000? lawls)

I must acknowledge I got aware of it only recently. I think it´s an interesting fact otherwise it´s not understandable that a peacefull religion becomes so tough.


I wondered why the euopeans did not help the spanish fight the muslims in spain. But they liked to fight rather in Jerusalem. Probably they did not want a strong spain which then happened after the muslim were out.

[Black French]

I thought RooshVforum was about game, women, travel, etc. IT seems to me that wwe are becoming a mainstream website since religion bashing has become commonplace.

[mikado]

Personally the nationalism here, especially white nationalism , coupled to the religion bashing made me loose faith in that Rooshvforum was a place for all men, regardless of their origins/faith.


In the past 2-3 weeks, I do not remember any major discussion here except the ones on Islam and Jews.
Like, no discussion on game, lifestyle, travel...

Only more bashing and bashing on religion (not Christianism btw) , plus apology of white race.

I hope it will not follow the same fate as the Heartiste forum.

[Rutting Elephant]

(04-20-2014 04:00 AM)Black French Wrote:  

I thought RooshVforum was about game, women, travel, etc. IT seems to me that wwe are becoming a mainstream website since religion bashing has become commonplace.

This first post doesn't sound like a sock puppet at all.

[Solus]

You reap what you sow.

If those who could oppose something like this sat idle like idiots in the name of progressivism then they deserve to suffer the consequences.

[Royale]

(04-20-2014 04:14 AM)mikado Wrote:  

Personally the nationalism here, especially white nationalism , coupled to the religion bashing made me loose faith in that Rooshvforum was a place for all men, regardless of their origins/faith.


In the past 2-3 weeks, I do not remember any major discussion here except the ones on Islam and Jews.
Like, no discussion on game, lifestyle, travel...

Only more bashing and bashing on religion (not Christianism btw) , plus apology of white race.

I hope it will not follow the same fate as the Heartiste forum.

I don't know man. Judging by the various members on here from different backgrounds (Roosh, Excelsior, Scotian, deathtofatties, etc) it seems as though it is a place for all men. Just because one guy has a tinge of "nationalism" (i.e. which I haven't really seen outside of the anon ROK comments and the seldom race thread) doesn't mean he wishes the downfall of everyone who isn't like "him". As sad as it is for me to say this, this place is becoming the last bastion of hope, where men can state their opinions uninhibited. If a guy wants to make a comment on here about how he's not into dudes of color (whatever that means) getting with chicks of his country, then so be it. Honestly, would you let that stop you from doing it? As long as he's not trying to knock you out, then what of it? Like I said in the last race thread that came up on here, I have no idea why many of the racialists engage in what I consider heavy amounts of tribalism since most of Central and Eastern Europe is pretty much homogenous. But if people disagree with me, then whatever. Water under the bridge. On to the next. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but it seems as though most people get on here to better themselves. At the end of the day, thats all that matters.

Anyways, back to the topic.

I don't think it is necessarily the issue with Islam that's at hand here. It's mostly extremism under the banner of the religion. I find it hard to believe most Muslims in the West want to cripple the country they live in. The same country where they get governmental benefits, cultural exchange, economic opportunities, etc. Changing the UK structure undermines all those things. What would be the benefit of doing so? I don't get what the fundamentalists want. You want radical Islam? There are places in the world for that. You traipse over to a Western country, kick their garbage can, and then act surprised when there's a backlash against your belief system? Shit doesn't add up, Sherlock.

Ultimately, it's radical "everyone should think the way I do because I'm right" dogma that's got the West raising their middle fingers. How much hate do you see being directed at these guys?

Over and out.

[Orion]

(04-20-2014 02:07 AM)tomtud Wrote:  

As we will see in our lifetimes the Islamic republic of Iran will eventually fall (I hope) as the majority seek a change.

Majority of radical Islamists today are part of Wahhabi movement, which originated in Saudi Arabia. All those who you see that argue against democracy, freedom of speech, and who pursue shariah - it's mostly them. They are funded by Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar. Openly. They openly funded, and are still funding Al Qaida.

Anyway, the point is - they hate Shia muslims. And Iran is the only country in the world where shia islam is state religion, hence, state apparatus has very solid support.

Revolution in Iran was brought by students and youth yes, and it's leader was a very charismatic person - Ayatollah Khomeini. It wasn't some military coup brought by some colonel tied with cocaine mafia.

Just when everybody thought that regime will collapse, brutal Iran-Iraq war broke out. Most people don't know much about the war, thinking it was some over the border ak-47 fire exchange. In fact, it was full frontal war, with massive assaults, moving frontline, trench lines, fortifications, massive casualties, one of the most complex after WW II. It further strengthened the Iranian government and supreme leader. Also, Iran was fighting without any foreign support, while Iraq was massively supported by pretty much everybody relevant.

With subsequent gulf war, and weakening of Baathist regime in Iraq, Iran will gradually climb to become leading force in the region, remaining the only stable independent state in Middle-East. Hence, they are far far more tougher nut to crack than you think.

Scene from Iraq-Iran war, woman tying headband over volunteer's head.



As for the topic: Islam must always be a guest in the western hemisphere, and that's it. I don't see how hospitality with Islamic institutions can have favorable outcome. Tho, one should never doubt in unscrupulous nature of Europeans. Inquisition never went out of European DNA, it was only suppressed, particularly after WW II. If threatened hard enough, Europe will release it hitleresque spirit out of the bottle, and will quite swiftly and with no remorse cleanse every intruder out. They ain't fooling no one.

[kerouac]

(04-20-2014 02:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Didn't Iran ban women from going to college? They are already taking extremely proactive measures to stop their traditions from eroding. Islam isn't going anywhere in Iran.

"Women make up more than 60 percent of the college population in Iran but less than 20 percent of the working population." -NPR

[Foolsgo1d]

For those of us in the know an increasing number of Muslims in England is nothing we can do anything about. On one hand you have the BNP knuckle draggers, the same type of filth you go out of your way to avoid in bars and clubs.

On the other hand are the liberal idiots who know nothing of the coming problems that will be caused once a certain ethnic group starts to become large enough to alter politics of the landscape. This has happened already.

You then look at the birth rates of immigrants, particularly those who follow Islam and they exceed the homegrown population by a large number.

Its nothing new and you cant do anything about it under normal conditions.

[Que enspastic]

I live in London and Muslims don't bother me at all.

[kosko]

England goes broke before the day Friday prayers are made mandatory for all Brits. 114% debt to GDP was the climate that ripped the doors of the border in the first place.

[Bushido]

(04-20-2014 04:14 AM)mikado Wrote:  

Personally the nationalism here, especially white nationalism , coupled to the religion bashing made me loose faith in that Rooshvforum was a place for all men, regardless of their origins/faith.


In the past 2-3 weeks, I do not remember any major discussion here except the ones on Islam and Jews.
Like, no discussion on game, lifestyle, travel...

Only more bashing and bashing on religion (not Christianism btw) , plus apology of white race.

I hope it will not follow the same fate as the Heartiste forum.

There are dozens of game and travel discussions going on. How about a rational response to the post instead? All I see from you is butthurt responses. So you think that the UK should just kneel down and accept shariah? I'm all for different groups living together in my country, it's far more interesting that way, but I don't take kindly to imperialist religions trying to change the culture of my home country. That's bullshit. I live in Asia and I don't demand Asians live how I do. But I see this attitude coming from Islamic groups in the UK.

[Rutting Elephant]

(04-20-2014 09:32 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 04:14 AM)mikado Wrote:  

Personally the nationalism here, especially white nationalism , coupled to the religion bashing made me loose faith in that Rooshvforum was a place for all men, regardless of their origins/faith.


In the past 2-3 weeks, I do not remember any major discussion here except the ones on Islam and Jews.
Like, no discussion on game, lifestyle, travel...

Only more bashing and bashing on religion (not Christianism btw) , plus apology of white race.

I hope it will not follow the same fate as the Heartiste forum.

There are dozens of game and travel discussions going on. How about a rational response to the post instead? All I see from you is butthurt responses. So you think that the UK should just kneel down and accept shariah? I'm all for different groups living together in my country, it's far more interesting that way, but I don't take kindly to imperialist religions trying to change the culture of my home country. That's bullshit. I live in Asia and I don't demand Asians live how I do. But I see this attitude coming from Islamic groups in the UK.

It's the classic kiss up, kick down strategy: Play the victim card where Muslims are minorities (see above), and where Muslims are the majority, oppress the hell out of anyone who doesn't want to pledge allegiance to their specific bullshit.
Here in Bandung the Sunni majority just today held a kill-all-Shiites rally supported by the local government.

Edit: said sectarian hate event http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/call...gathering/
and bonus annual routine report of protecting churches from bombs on Easter Sunday http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/multimedi...r-service/