[Kimber]

John Durant recently went on a twitter rampage saying that conservatives should aim to trigger disgust and revulsion through potential illness when tackling issues such as immigration and homosexuality. Read from bottom left to top right.



It's an incredibly interesting idea, and as he later said himself, he should be charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for this, however is dropping knowledge bombs for free. I got all the main tweets there, excuse the Alain de Botton tweet in the middle of it all

This is such a fascinating line of thought to take. I wonder how people who are pro-gay/pro-immigration would react to a strong argument using this line of reasoning.

[Christian McQueen]

John who I've had the pleasure of partying and meeting through MikeCF, is a very smart dude.

I read these tweets too and the line of reasoning is quite remarkable.

Unfortunately, I think the US has been swayed so far to the left that even if the conservatives did introduce this, people would put their head in the sand.

Just like ObamaCare. People ignored the basic math regarding what it would do, and it got passed.

Now when people complain about their insurance premiums skyrocketing I laugh in their face for being fools and ignoring the obvious.

Arguing with people who refuse to allow logic into the debate is a pointless cause.

That's why I refuse to debate politics with 98% of people, because they (liberals) refuse to use common sense.

If someone can present me with logic, facts an evidence, I'm not ashamed to change my opinion. However, most peoples ego will not allow for this.

Part of being smart is knowing how to remove emotion and analyze an issue without an agenda.

[kbell]

I really need to start reading his blog. Paleo guy that reads into alpha male dynamics. I think he is in NYC too.

[j r]

I don't know if I'm pro gay or pro immigration, but I don't mind either. To me, this just seems like a classic example of a naturalistic fallacy and of an evolutionary "just so" story. None of it is very convincing to me.

Also, the rise of conservatism in the 1980s was largely owing to economic factors.

[Kimber]

(04-06-2014 02:10 PM)j r Wrote:  

I don't know if I'm pro gay or pro immigration, but I don't mind either. To me, this just seems like a classic example of a naturalistic fallacy and of an evolutionary "just so" story. None of it is very convincing to me.

Also, the rise of conservatism in the 1980s was largely owing to economic factors.

I get where you are coming from, but there is so much compelling evidence that suggests/asserts/implores that a lot of human tradition is bred from pathogen avoidance.

Any bizarre diet restrictions (not mixing animals, not eating certain animals) came from pathogen avoidance. Fasting (ramadan, lent) came from pathogen avoidance. Even praying can be linked to staying healthy, prayer is a form of meditation and gratitude, and there are numerous studies that show that meditation and gratitude improves health.

It is not a naturalistic fallacy, he's not asserting anything is 'right' or 'just'. He's exploring a line of thought and reasoning that could be exploited if conservatives were smart enough to do so. It would be incredibly dangerous to spread an anti-immigration message by saying 'they make us sick, keep them out so we can be healthy and happy'. Same with an anti-gay message.

I don't know whether I'm pro gay or pro immigration either, each of them have their uses - like it or not, gay culture is incredibly influential , and like it or not but immigration in times of economic growth fuels the economy and satiates the need for more manpower. However in times of economic recession, declining birth rates etc, immigration and pro gay attitudes are not only not useful, they can be damaging.

It's just very interesting, shit like this makes me hard.

[Kimber]

(04-06-2014 12:50 PM)kbell Wrote:  

I really need to start reading his blog. Paleo guy that reads into alpha male dynamics. I think he is in NYC too.

Read his book. It's fascinating. He shows us how to live healthy and intelligently, and drops a lot of knowledge in it. He is a big proponent of manosphere values, although i don't think he explicitly associate with the sphere. Even so it's always good to support one of us.

Link to his book here if you're interested

[Bad Hussar]

I generally support "Gay Rights", but only as a division of "Human Rights", not as a separate thing at all. The way things are going now, with homosexuality the "cause du jour" actual homosexuals are going to regret not objecting to being used as a battering ram in the stupid 'Culture Wars". The people pretending to speak for them have overreached dangerously and it will not end well.

But anyway, if tweeters (twits?), and others on social media, are really intent on participating in the culture war, and want to weigh in on the currently "wrong" side, the best way is probably just to post gay male porn pics/clips. Straight men are not OK with that, even if they support equality otherwise. In other words, being faced with the reality of what (male) homosexuality is actually about would weaken the general support for equality.

Not that I'm recommending the above. It's better just to stay out of it altogether. I know that the so called "gay mafia" is irritating and tries to mess with peoples livelihoods, but the truth is this mafia is probably majority straight political operatives/"activists" who really don't give a toss about whatever cause they argue for in the culture war. It's the act of being an "activist" itself that is the goal. Don't bother asking me why. I'm not smart enough to unravel that kind of strange psychology, but that's the way they are. In a few years time they will have moved on to something else. As others have pointed out quite possibly something actually hostile to homosexuals (e.g something to do with Islam).

[DeepGreen]

There is a simple way to find out if you are pro gay or pro immigration. Look at your neighbors.

[Hades]

(10-04-2015 08:09 PM)DeepGreen Wrote:  

There is a simple way to find out if you are pro gay or pro immigration. Look at your neighbors.

I'm pro nuclear power but I don't want a nuclear power plant in my neighborhood.

[Eskhander]

Conservatives, and normal people, have MUCH higher disgust reflexes than leftists. So it's an effective strategy because it goes well outside the left winger's experience.

This is from Jonathan Haidt's research

[pathoma]

Sounds like a way to wrap the issue in health and scientific concerns in order to win an argument rather than be honest. The truth is more simple than that.

The problem people have with homosexuality is it's another nail in the coffin for the family unit. The studies are there to support this. Children raised in same sex households do about as well as children raised in single parent homes, on average. Almost all of the spree shootings in america orchestrated by men under 30 came from broken homes. The inner city fatherless environment in conjunction with the government handouts (effectively replacing the father) has fostered the growth of a victim subculture.

The destruction of the family unit has a lot to do with our decline as a culture and a society.