[Timbuk2]

Howdy--I'm in France, and am meeting with a 24 year old french-algerian girl tonight. She's really cute, but doesn't drink (maybe 1 glass once in a whole). Last time I met up with her, she invited me over to her apartment (that's where we first met), we spent a few hours there talking french and english, and we discussed our shared interests. I touched her hands, the small of her back, made eye contact, etc.

She had an nautical chart on her wall (and loves boats), I happen to have spent lots of time on boats, and explained to her some of the finer points of navigation.

She told me she became muslim three years ago, and I asked her if she drank. She said that she didn't think getting drunk was a good idea, but one glass wasn't the end of the world. I asked what other muslim rules she followed, and she said "well, I'm not a virgin if that's what you mean."

I really felt like I should have kissed her that time, but I didn't.

i'm meeting her again in an hour or two, and need some ideas. It'll be about 6 pm when we meet, she doesn't drink, and logistically it's much easier to meet near or at her apartment. It's a beautiful day.

Any pro-tips?

[Quintus Curtius]

I am actually a huge fan of this type of girl.

I love the look of the Moroccan-Algerian woman. It's a great Berber-Arab-Jewish mix. In fact...my ex was a Moroccan girl of Jewish ancestry who grew up in Venezuela. Usually they have curly hair, big brown eyes, and intense emotion.

There are some popular French actresses from Algerian/Moroccan ancestry.

I like Aure Atika, who was great in "The Beat That My Heart Skipped":



And also Lubna Azabal, who was great in "Incendies":



Azabal's Arabic was so good in "Incendies" that I assumed she was a native speaker...it was only later that I found out she had to learn it just for the movie.

They're pretty much like any other woman, of course.

Your game needs to be low-key, listening more than talking. There are a lot of complexes that Algerians/Moroccans have in France, and you don't want to get into all that baggage. Focus on having fun, enjoying time, and hooking up.

Gauge your target carefully. Some are a lot more assimilated into mainstream French society than others. Most are totally secular, as you know.

I would avoid getting into all that politcal-religious stuff. Don't touch any of that unless she brings it up, and even then, just do a lot of head-nodding. Use the nautical stuff you were talking about for some background, to show you're (1) cool and (2) interesting. But keep it light, funny, interesting.

Remember: no serious discussion about history, politics, or any of that nonsense. But you can DHV yourself indirectly by mentioning that you liked certain French movies that portrayed Algerians in a positive light...like "Un Prophet", maybe. Or, you could swing by one of those little cous-cous joints and show you know how to handle the food. Basic stuff.

But don't hesitate when you have the opportunity. You need to make your move, and try to get her back to your place (to watch a movie) or go to hers.

Also, get her away from other Algerians or Moroccans. These communities can be close-knit, and you don't want some dickhead Algerian giving you dirty looks or cockblocking you. Some of these guys are real pricks.

Good luck.

QC

[Timbuk2]

I talked a little last time about how I thought that religion was ridiculous, but caught myself and mentioned that I think it can provide great direction and community.

She just messaged me and changed our meeting time to 9pm.

[Quintus Curtius]

(03-20-2014 12:40 PM)Timbuk2 Wrote:  

I talked a little last time about how I thought that religion was ridiculous, but caught myself and mentioned that I think it can provide great direction and community.

She just messaged me and changed our meeting time to 9pm.

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Well, it would have been far better to avoid anything to do with religion or politics. Trust me on this.

You need to be the open, friendly, cool, confident guy. That's it. Light subjects, and take charge of the evening. All she wants to do is show up, look attractive, and let you guide the way.

Got out for a quick drink or bite to eat, and then gauge her responsiveness by gradually touching her hand, arm, or whatever. If she flinches, take it slower. Back off, then re-initiate later.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

From what you've written, I think you'll get by just fine by being a "confident nice guy" (i.e. no special game other than fuck-up-avoidance required as long as you remember to touch her and escalate). Since you're probably on a date already, just wishing you all the best with it!

[MisterFresh]

Ask if she has brothers...

[Quintus Curtius]

(03-20-2014 04:15 PM)MisterFresh Wrote:  

Ask if she has brothers...

Right. But in an indirect way.

Avoid the brothers if at all possible, until you find out if she's conservative or not.

If she is conservative, tread with caution, and don't do anything to disrespect anyone. These Arabs can be volatile, and often take seriously the virtue of the women in their family.

But that just adds to the spice of the chase, n'est-ce pas?

As MikeyCF says, we all need a little Danger And Play....


Q

[Timbuk2]

What exactly does "conservative" mean in this situation? I mean, she became muslim 3 years ago, drinks a bit, etc.

(03-20-2014 04:19 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 04:15 PM)MisterFresh Wrote:  

Ask if she has brothers...

Right. But in an indirect way.

Avoid the brothers if at all possible, until you find out if she's conservative or not.

If she is conservative, tread with caution, and don't do anything to disrespect anyone. These Arabs can be volatile, and often take seriously the virtue of the women in their family.

But that just adds to the spice of the chase, n'est-ce pas?

As MikeyCF says, we all need a little Danger And Play....


Q

[Sonsowey]

Never be afraid to go for the kiss, but build up to it first. If youre sitting together, and your arm is around her, or shes nestled in tight to you, just go for it. Brush her hair back from her face (even if its not there) and just lean in for it.

Or put on music, ask if she dances, and spin her around a couple times. Out if the spin, pull her into you and kiss.

[Timbuk2]

I think she's really into me, but the whole Muslim male aggression thing freaks me out. She just broke up with her Muslim ex boyfriend and has a crush on another Muslim guy. She did lament though that her sister would basically disown her if she brought home a non-muslim, so I guess it's not her inner compass that's doing it for her. I dunno...

Her brother lives in another country.

I feel like if she would feel guilting about it, it's not worth escalating it to the point where she can't resist. I mean, she's very attractive, but I don't want to send her to hell.

(03-22-2014 07:31 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Never be afraid to go for the kiss, but build up to it first. If youre sitting together, and your arm is around her, or shes nestled in tight to you, just go for it. Brush her hair back from her face (even if its not there) and just lean in for it.

Or put on music, ask if she dances, and spin her around a couple times. Out if the spin, pull her into you and kiss.